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Add OSM expo location, bus info, train info. General update.
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<title>CUCC's Austria expeditions: Travel</title>
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<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/main2.css" />
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<h1>CUCC Expo: Getting There</h1>
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<h1>CUCC Expo: Getting There</h1>
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<p>Expo needs to shift a fair amount of stuff and people to Austria;
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less than we used to, as a lot is stored there, but at least a couple
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of cars are needed to shift kit. And full cars are a reasonable way of
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transporting people. They are also useful in Austria for getting up
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and down the hill. But public transport to expo also works well and
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has become more popular in recent years. Bus, Train and Plane are all
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practical. Details are given below. It costs £75-£200 each way,
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depending how you travel, what mode you use and how far in advance you
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book.</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.rome2rio.com/s/London/Bad-Aussee">Rome2Rio</a> gives a useful overview of plausible options.</p>
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<p>You are trying to get to Gasthof Staudnwirt, Grundleseer Strasse 21, Bad Aussee-8990,
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Austria. i.e. <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=47.61616&mlon=13.81218#map=19/47.61616/13.81218">expo is here</a></p>.
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<h2>By Train</h2>
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<p>This is (these days) pretty easy to arrange and has the advantage
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of allowing for stopping off en route in Paris, Cologne, Frankfurt,
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Munich or Salzbug depending what route you take. But you do need to
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book early for the cheap deals. It can be done in one day if you set
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off very early from London (6am). The limitation is that the last
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train to Bad Aussee arrives 21:43. You can get to Stainach-Irdning
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or Attnang-Puchheim (either end of the branch line through Bad
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Aussee), Stainach is half-an hour drive away to collect, so is not
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too bad. Attnang-Puchheim is 1hr 10m so best reserved for
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emergencies. It's more civilised to set off at comfy time one day,
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spend a night in a city en-route and arrive the next day, or use the
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night-train to Vienna.</p>
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<p>Use bahn.de for timetabling, and Seat61.com for good advice,
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especially if you are not familiar with long-distance rail
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travel. Loco2 is good for buying tickets. Bahn.de is amazing for
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routing, but online can only sell you German train tickets. They
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can sell all tickets via their UK phone number, or you can buy
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online at Loco2.com</p>
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<ol>
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<li><b>Seat61.com</b> <a href="https://www.seat61.com/Austria.htm">http://seat61.com</a></li>
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<li><b>German Railway planner(in English)</b> <a href="https://www.bahn.de/en/view/index.shtml">http://bahn.de/</a></li>
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<li><b>Loco2</b> <a href="https://loco2.com/">https://loco2.com/</a></li>
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<li><b>Autrian Railways</b> <a href="https://oebb.at/en/">http://oebb.at/</a></li>
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</ol>
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<p>The <a href="https://www.bahn.com/en/view/offers/europe/saver-fare-europe.shtml">Euro-Spezial ticket</a> is usually the cheapest way to get to Austria. It covers travel from London to anywhere in Germany (which includes Salzburg), starting from €40. Breaking your trip at Salzburg can save £100 easily, even if you don't actually get off the train there, just change ticket! Book early, though (3 months in advance for best prices).</p>
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<p>There are lots of possible routes. That above seat61 page has details for the most sensible options.</p>
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<p>The last stop before Bad Aussee is Obertraun (from
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Attnang-Puchheim direction), or Kainisch (from Stainach-Irdning
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direction). Don't get off one stop early like someone did in 2015,
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and then decide to walk the extra 10km uphill. Nor set off from the
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station building the wrong way and spend a few hours in the middle
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of the night wandering backroads</p>
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<h3>Bad Aussee Railway station to expo campsite</h3>
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<p>There is a <a href="http://fahrplan.oebb.at/bin/query.exe/en?revia=yes&existOptimizePrice=1&country=overseas&initialAvail=ON&S=Bad%20Aussee%20Postamt&Z=Bad%20Aussee%20Staudnwirt&start=1">bus, 956</a> from Bad Ausee Bahnhof (Station) to 'Grundlesee', timed to meet train arrivals. It should be there abou 15 mins after you get off the train. It goes straight past the campsite. Cost is €2.30 (2017). Get off at stop named 'staudnwirt', about 200m downhill from the <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=47.61616&mlon=13.81218#map=19/47.61616/13.81218">Gasthof/campsite</a>.</p>
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<p>To walk to the centre of town, turn right out of the
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station and just follow your nose up the road (past playing
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fields on the left, keeping left at the only junction, then
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past a petrol station). After about 20 minutes you'll reach
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the main 3-way "roundabout" junction in the centre of town
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mentioned above. You can also catch the above bus from here,
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outside the Post Office, on the left just before the
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roundabout.</p>
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<p>It's a little over 3km (2 miles) from here to Base Camp; to walk, take the exit
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of the roundabout to the right, following signs to Gössl. Now follow
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the route description given above for this section of road.</p>
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<h2>By Car</h2>
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<h3>Getting to the other side of the Sea</h3>
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<p>This can be the most expensive bit, but with a bit of perseverence and ingenuity, the cost can be minimised.</p>
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<p>This can be the most expensive bit, but with a bit of perseverence and ingenuity, the cost can be minimised. The Ferry is usually quite a lot cheaper than Eurotunnel, and you can get a useful 1hr kip.</p>
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<h4>Some useful links:</h4>
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<pre>
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<b>Hoverspeed</b> <a href="http://www.hoverspeed.co.uk">http://www.hoverspeed.co.uk</a>
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Dover-Calais
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Dover-Oostende (Ostend)
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<b>SeaFrance</b> <a href="http://www.seafrance.co.uk">http://www.seafrance.co.uk</a>
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Dover-Calais
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<b>P&O Stena Line</b> <a href="http://www.posl.com">http://www.posl.com</a>
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Dover-Calais
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<b>Euro Tunnel</b> <a href="http://www.eurotunnel.co.uk">http://www.eurotunnel.co.uk</a>
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Folkestone-Calais/Coquelles
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<b>Stena Line</b> <a href="http://www.stenaline.com">http://www.stenaline.com</a>
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Harwich-Hoek van Holland (Hook of Holland)
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<b>FerryBooker</b> <a href="http://www.ferrybooker.com">http://www.ferrybooker.com</a>
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Various Routes
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<b>Ferry Sav£rs</b> <a href="https://www.ferrysavers.com">https://www.ferrysavers.com</a>
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<b>Ferry Savers</b> <a href="https://www.ferrysavers.com">https://www.ferrysavers.com</a>
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Various Routes
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<h3>Driving across Europe</h3>
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<b>Gössl</b>, passing immediately through a very narrow section of road
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with traffic lights to control the flow of traffic. The road crosses a
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river, and shortly after swings left and then right, around a blind
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corner, before leaving the town. After about 3 miles of pleasant
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corner, before leaving the town. After about 2 miles of pleasant
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meandering through woods and meadows, look out for <b>Gasthof
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Staud'n'wirt</b> on the left. <b>Base Camp</b> is in the field on the
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right, opposite the Gasthof.</p>
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Staud'n'wirt</b> on the left. <b>Base Camp</b> is <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/mlat=47.61616&mlon=13.81218#map=19/47.61616/13.81218">in the field on the
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right</a>, opposite the Gasthof.</p>
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<h2>By Air</h2>
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closer, but has fewer flights and may even be more expensive. The
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extra cost difference to Munich on the railways seems to be very
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little. In 2000, a return from Munich to Bad Aussee on the train
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was about 23ukp. (Note: In 2004, Ryanair were flying from Stansted
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to Salzburg for the princely sum of £5.99 plus airport tax (ö19.98
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all in.)</p>
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was about 23ukp.</p>
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<p>The <a href="http://www.bahn.de/">German railway website</a> is
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excellent for planning journeys in both Germany and Austria.
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<h3>Salzburg Airport to Bad Aussee</h3>
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<p>Take a bus to the main railway station (Salzburg Hbf) and a train to
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<b>Attnang-Puchheim</b>. The train will probably be bound for Wein (Vienna).
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Change at Attnang-Puchheim and get on a local train to <b>Bad Aussee</b>. This train
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will probably be bound for Stainach-Irdning.</p>
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<b>Attnang-Puchheim</b>. The train will probably be bound for
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Wein (Vienna). Change at Attnang-Puchheim and get on a local
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train to <b>Bad Aussee</b>. This train will probably be bound
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for Stainach-Irdning. A Salzburg->Bad Aussee ticket should be about €20/£14.</p>
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<p>Train changes can be tight (only a couple of minutes); the platform numbers
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are given on the timetables on the station platforms.</p>
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<h3>The Last Bit</h3>
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<p>To walk to the centre of town, turn right out of the station and just
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follow your nose up the road. After about 20 minutes you'll reach the
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large "roundabout" junction in the centre of town mentioned above. You
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can try to ring Gasthof Staud'nwirt and get a lift to Base Camp; if
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not, you may be able to catch a bus from outside the Post Office, on the
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left just before the roundabout. Buses may also run from the station to
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the Post Office.</p>
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<p>See 'Bad Aussee Railway station to expo campsite' in Train section above</p>
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<p>It's about three miles from here to Base Camp; to walk, take the exit
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of the roundabout to the right, following signs to Gössl. Now follow
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the route description given above for this section of road.</p>
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<h2>By Bus</h2>
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<p>Bus can be the cheapest way to get to expo (and probably the
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lowest-carbon). Not as nice as the train, but
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practical. It takes about 30 hours. International buses to
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Linz (on the route to 'Vienna'/'Wien') exist, otherwise Munich (£50)
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or Zurich (£75). Then get either train or National bus onwards. Bus
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London - Zurich, then night train to Steinach-Irdning
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(£40) is a reasonable option. Not all of these buses go every
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day. If booking at short notice bus can be excellent value.</p>
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http://www.europebus.co.uk/austria/ (To Linz)
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https://www.flixbus.com/ (To Munich and Zurich)
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http://www.checkmybus.co.uk
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<h2>By Train</h2>
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<p>This is now pretty easy to arrange and has the advantage of allowing for stopping off en route - get an afternoon/evening Eurostar to Paris then the overnight sleeper train to Munich and you should get to Bad Aussee later that day. In the good old days apparently it was very tedious, even with a special Railwayman's Family Member ticket. However, now just check the routes and prices online using the seat61 website and/or the www.bahn.de German train website (select English at the start). Wookey highly recommends the bahn.de man you can phone in London for getting good deals. </p>
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<h2>By Bicycle</h2>
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<p>This has been done twice, first by Dave Fearon in 1992, who took 9
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days (return to UK only), and more recently by Brian Outram in a more
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leisurely 16 days (I think).</p>
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