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Online edit of cave 1623-2004-04
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<!-- This file is generated by troggle on Nov. 2, 2023, 8:15 p.m. UTC using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
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<!-- This file is generated by troggle on Nov. 23, 2023, 11:37 a.m. UTC using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
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<!-- If you edit this 162x-nnn.html file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
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make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
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though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
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<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> on Nov. 2, 2023, 8:15 p.m. UTC using the form documented at
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<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> on Nov. 23, 2023, 11:37 a.m. UTC using the form documented at
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the form documented at
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<a href="/handbook/survey/caveentry.html">handbook/survey/caveentry.html</a>
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<br>
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<caveslug>1623-2004-04</caveslug><!--(Required). Internal I.D. used to refer to this cave in entrance data files. Typically the same as the filebase, e.g. '1623-195' -->
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<official_name></official_name><!-- Name of the cave (normally in German) Use ü for u+Umlaut and ö for o+umlaut eg Höhle for Hohle and Glück for Gluck-->
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<area>1623</area><!-- e.g. "1623" -->
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<kataster_code>-0</kataster_code><!-- 'length-or-depth/type exploration'
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<kataster_code>0/-</kataster_code><!-- 'length-or-depth/type exploration'
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code used in the Austrian kataster e.g '1/S +' - https://expo/.survex.com/katast.htm
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T Trockenhöhlen (Dry caves)
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+ erforscht (exploration considered complete)
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-->
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<kataster_number></kataster_number> <!-- (Either this or unofficial_number is required). Official number in Austrian kataster if one has been allocated -->
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<unofficial_number>2004-04</unofficial_number><!-- (Either this or kataster_number is required). Initial temporary cave ID used until kataster number is allocated e.g. '2012-DD-01'-->
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<unofficial_number>2004-04</unofficial_number><!-- (This is any name. Either this or kataster_number is required). Initial temporary cave ID used until kataster number is allocated e.g. '2012-DD-01'-->
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<entrance>
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<entranceslug>1623-2004-04</entranceslug><!-- Internal ID to refer to each entrance instance in the entrance files (typically the same as that filename (e.g. 1623-161c). Matches the 'slug' field in the entrance file -->
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<!-- DEBUG 1623-2004-04+1623-2004-04 'Z' == -->
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<letter></letter><!--Leave blank for single-entrance cave. If there is more than one entrace then the letter needs to be given. Generally matches the entranceslug ID. -->
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</entrance>
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<survex_file></survex_file><!-- Name of top-level survey file for this cave. Relative to the 'loser' survex repository. So for most caves that's "caves-162x/cavenum/cavnum.svx". (e.g. caves-1623/204/204.svx -->
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<underground_description>Undescended</underground_description><!-- Underground description. (description of approach and entrance goes in entrance file). For a small cave this will be the entire description. For larger caves it will be the front page of the description, or a short intro, containing links to other pages with the cave description in, or even nothing but a link. -->
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<equipment>Rope required</equipment><!-- For a small cave, summary of gear needed to descend. For longer caves it could be blank, a table, or just refer to the description/topos. Leave blank if this info is in the description. -->
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<references>Email 2005-05-30</references><!-- References to documentation. Could be Journal articles or Logbook entries. Can be links if the docs are online. -->
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<references>Email 2005-05-30 (whose?), Olly's comments from Matrix chat "Surveying" 2023-11-22.</references><!-- References to documentation. Could be Journal articles or Logbook entries. Can be links if the docs are online. -->
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<survey></survey><!-- Drawn-up surveys. Scans of paper surveys or images/PDFs of electronic surveys. Should include HTML to display current plan and elevation, with links to larger versions (See section on URLs and files). Could list links to multiple years of survey, or even a separate survey page if it's complicated enough. -->
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<kataster_status></kataster_status>
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<underground_centre_line></underground_centre_line><!-- 'In dataset' if it is in the survex dataset. Blank if not, or notes about status such as 'surveyed, but no entrance fix so not yet in dataset'. -->
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<notes></notes><!-- Normally empty, but place for anything else that should be noted, such as info on cave maybe being a duplicate, or lost -->
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<notes>Olly says (2023): <br />
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"Not too far from 76 or 97"
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it may be a shaft where we put in a spit and a tag but have since somehow completely failed to relocate despite many attempts
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if so you could hear the hand bolting from the bivvy
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76 bivvy that is of course
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though sound can carry so that doesn't narrow it down helpfully<br />
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i've always thought it was fairly near 108 but that didn't help find it<p>
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hmm ... maybe it's the same as tantalusschacht!
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<p>
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or maybe it was drill bolting - it was close enough the noise could be clearly heard is the relevant point
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and it was in the bunde, which I suspect is largely why we've failed to refind it despite presumably looking pretty close to it
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also that one may not be 2004-04 - I'm fairly sure it was 2004-0<something> but we seem to replace most references to the original number when a kataster number is allocated making it hard to really see what's what<p>
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aha, they seem to be in the cave index page:<br />
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so 2004-01 is the bivvy cave, 2004-03 is "dead gemse" which is back towards the 90s vintage top camp, -02 is really close to -01, -05 and -06 are over towards 111 and 112, -07 isn't it, -08 is more to the NW, -09 seems more E
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so it's probably "lost" though it has a metal tag attached so if refound could be unambiguously identified.</notes><!-- Normally empty, but place for anything else that should be noted, such as info on cave maybe being a duplicate, or lost, and whether a kataster form has been sent to Austria for this cave -->
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<length></length><!-- Cave length. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet) -->
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<depth></depth><!--Cave depth. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet) -->
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<extent></extent>
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<description_file></description_file><!-- Path of top-level description file for this cave, when a separate file is used. Otherwise blank. -->
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<url>1623/2004-04/2004-04.html</url><!-- (Required). Relative URL of this cave. i.e the URL this cave appears at on the website, not including 'https://expo.survex.com/. Normally area/cavenum., e.g ('1623/000')-->
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</cave>
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