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Update lasers.htm to give UTM WGS84 coordinates
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were derived from it and will therefore also be wrong.</p>
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were derived from it and will therefore also be wrong.</p>
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<p>As far as we are aware, all of these points which we have visited are
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<p>As far as we are aware, all of these points which we have visited are
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correct, with the exception of 7/11 on the col (ie. the most useful point,
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correct, with the exception of 7/11 on the col between the SMK ridge and
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nearest Top Camp), which seems to be out by an angular error of 25 or 26°
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the Nase (not far the old Nase Top Camp), which seems to be out by an angular
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from the Nase point. In the table, point 14/16 is also noted as possibly
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error of 25 or 26° from the Nase point. In the table, point 14/16 is also
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being dodgy, but we have no real indication of why.</p>
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noted as possibly being dodgy, but we have no real indication of why.</p>
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<p>Expo (and indeed, the kataster) has now moved over to using the same system as
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<p>This table shows the coordinates of the laser points in UTM using the WGS84
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the rest of the world, ie. UTM based on the WGS84 datum. So it is unfortunate that
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datum, which is the coordinate system we now use for the expo dataset (and
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the points in the table below haven't been translated (and neither, it seems have
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which the Austrian's kataster also now uses). If you want the original
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the ones in the survex files). Various people at various times have located the points
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coordinates, see the <i>*fix</i> commands in the file fixedpts/laser.svx
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with GPS, and those fixes I've found are also included here in UTM zone 33T form.</p>
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in the Survex dataset.</p>
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<table class="trad">
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<table class="trad">
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<tr><td>point</td><td>Y (east)</td><td>X (north)</td><td>Altitude</td><td>where ?</td></tr>
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<tr><th>Code</th><th> Easting</th><th> Northing</th><th> Altitude</th><th>
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Description</th></tr>
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<tr><td>KT114-96</td><td>36670.37</td><td>(52)83317.43</td><td>1903.97</td><td>Hinterer Schwarzmooskogel Trig point</td></tr>
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<tr><td>KT114-96</td><td> 411524.92</td><td> 5282241.69</td><td> 1950.78</td><td>
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<tr><td>0</td><td>36386.56</td><td>(52)82804.16</td><td>1815.45</td><td>Hilfstandpunkt (hillock N of <a href="../../1623/161/top.htm">161</a>)</td></tr>
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Hinterer Schwarzmooskogel Trig point</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/1</td><td>36093.56</td><td>(52)82337.43</td><td>1782.35</td><td>Between <a href="../../1623/156/156.html">156</a> and <a href="../../1623/201.htm">201</a> cloth labelled "0/1" replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/1" (1999)</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0</td><td> 411230.25</td><td> 5281734.79</td><td> 1862.27</td><td>
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<tr><td>0/2</td><td>36029.92</td><td>(52)82432.14</td><td>1750.06</td><td>Near</td></tr>
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Hilfstandpunkt (hillock N of <a href="../../1623/161/top.htm">161</a>)</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/3</td><td>35866.51</td><td>(52)82424.03</td><td>1710.16</td><td>Near</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/1</td><td> 410927.39</td><td> 5281274.61</td><td> 1829.18</td><td>
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<tr><td>0/4</td><td>35927.72</td><td>(52)82537.57</td><td>1687.45</td><td><a href="../../1623/145/145.html">Wolfhöhle</a></td></tr>
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Between <a href="../../1623/156/156.html">156</a> and <a href="../../1623/201.htm">201</a>. Cloth labelled "0/1" replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/1" (1999)</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/5</td><td>36005.96</td><td>(52)82782.82</td><td>1690.70</td><td>up gully and left from <a href="../../1623/107.htm">107</a>
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<tr><td>0/2</td><td> 410865.82</td><td> 5281370.64</td><td> 1796.89</td><td>
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tatty cloth replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/5" 1998</td></tr>
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Near 0/1</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/6</td><td>35873.09</td><td>(52)82944.29</td><td>1647.78</td><td>Near <a href="../../1623/76/76.htm">76</a> - between the three entrances. Very faded blue cloth replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/6" in 2006</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/3</td><td> 410702.33</td><td> 5281366.04</td><td> 1756.99</td><td>
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<tr><td>0/6 UTM 33T</td><td>0410719</td><td>52821888</td><td>1652.14</td><td>AERW's Oregon 300, 2015-08-03, GPS a foot above the tag</td></tr>
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Near 0/2</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/4</td><td> 410765.94</td><td> 5281478.20</td><td> 1734.28</td><td>
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<tr><td>0/7</td><td>35419.56</td><td>(52)82237.16</td><td>1769.77</td><td>Bräuning Nase</td></tr>
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<a href="../../1623/145/145.html">Wolfhöhle</a></td></tr>
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<tr><td>7/8</td><td>36040.75</td><td>(52)81522.72</td><td>1732.39</td><td>Felskuppe im Bereich des Vd. Schwarzmooskogel (Weiße Warze, The Nipple, Bunter's Bulge)</td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/5</td><td> 410849.40</td><td> 5281721.63</td><td> 1737.52</td><td>
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<tr><td>7/9</td><td>35395.41</td><td>(52)81044.60</td><td>1588.31</td><td>Elchhöhle <a href="../../noinfo/1623/31.htm">1623/31</a>, Punkt am Weg</td></tr>
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up gully and left from <a href="../../1623/107.htm">107</a>
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<tr><td>7/10</td><td>35620.23</td><td>(52)81945.22</td><td>1629.97</td><td>Kratzer Valley below the col</td></tr>
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tatty cloth replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/5" 1998</td></tr>
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<tr><td>7/11</td><td>35659.16</td><td>(52)82394.55</td><td>1682.67</td><td>Schwarzmoossattel (the col) - <i>we believe this is in error</i></td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/6</td><td> 410720.07</td><td> 5281885.87</td><td> 1694.60</td><td>
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<tr><td>8/12</td><td>35924.02</td><td>(52)81699.80</td><td>1725.04</td><td></td></tr>
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Near <a href="../../1623/76/76.htm">76</a> - between the three entrances. Very faded blue cloth replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/6" in 2006</td></tr>
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<tr><td>8/13</td><td>36171.86</td><td>(52)81947.11</td><td>1775.14</td><td></td></tr>
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<tr><td>0/7</td><td> 410251.61</td><td> 5281188.86</td><td> 1816.60</td><td>
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<tr><td>8/14</td><td>36458.17</td><td>(52)81700.42</td><td>1689.48</td><td>Schwarzmooskogeleishöhle <a href="../../noinfo/1623/40.htm">1623/40a</a></td></tr>
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Bräuning Nase</td></tr>
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<tr><td>14/15</td><td>36464.69</td><td>(52)81751.21</td><td>1686.66</td><td></td></tr>
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<tr><td>7/8</td><td> 410857.13</td><td> 5280461.49</td><td> 1779.22</td><td>
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<tr><td>14/16</td><td>36558.32</td><td>(52)81537.13</td><td>1660.39</td><td>(possibly dodgy ?)</td></tr>
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Felskuppe im Bereich des Vd. Schwarzmooskogel (Weiße Warze, The Nipple, Bunter's Bulge)</td></tr>
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<tr><td>7/9</td><td> 410201.88</td><td> 5279997.48</td><td> 1635.15</td><td>
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Elchhöhle <a href="../../noinfo/1623/31.htm">1623/31</a>. Punkt am Weg (point in the path)</td></tr>
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<tr><td>7/10</td><td> 410445.91</td><td> 5280892.78</td><td> 1676.80</td><td>
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Kratzer Valley below the col</td></tr>
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<tr><td>7/11</td><td> 410494.46</td><td> 5281341.02</td><td> 1729.50</td><td>
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Schwarzmoossattel (the col) - <i>we believe this is in error</i></td></tr>
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<tr><td>8/12</td><td> 410744.26</td><td> 5280640.97</td><td> 1771.87</td><td>
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<tr><td>8/13</td><td> 410997.27</td><td> 5280882.83</td><td> 1821.97</td><td>
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<tr><td>8/14</td><td> 411278.13</td><td> 5280630.13</td><td> 1736.31</td><td>
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<tr><td>14/15</td><td> 411285.73</td><td> 5280680.75</td><td> 1733.49</td><td>
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<tr><td>14/16</td><td> 411374.72</td><td> 5280464.78</td><td> 1707.22</td><td>
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(possibly dodgy ?)</td></tr>
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</table>
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</table>
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<p>These fixed points are accessible in the Survex dataset at
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fixedpts/laser.svx.</p>
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<p><img src="../../../icons/roadwk.png" class="icon" alt="" />A description of our own
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surface surveys in the area is under construction, and should eventually
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include details of how to find these laserfound points and other fixed
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points. Currently, locations of caves in the kataster may be quoted as these
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coordinates, or as Latitude/Longitude derived from the Austrian Alpine Club
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(OAV) map sheet 15/1, which does not have a grid. Trying to get all these
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locations into a single coordinate system is a priority, but will involve
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quite a lot of unglamorous surface surveying, so don't hold your breath...</p>
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<p>In some Austrian literature, the easting quoted is in a system labelled
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<p>In some Austrian literature, the easting quoted is in a system labelled
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BMN. The Easting grid line +36000 (Gauß + Krüger, M31) is the
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BMN. The Easting grid line +36000 (Gauß + Krüger, M31) is the
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same as BMN 486000, and translation appears to be a matter of simple
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same as BMN 486000, and translation appears to be a matter of simple
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