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<h2 id="tophead">CUCC Expedition Handbook</h2> <h2 id="tophead">CUCC Expedition Handbook</h2>
<h1>Configuring Filezilla to upload photos etc.</h1> <h1>Configuring Filezilla to upload photos etc.</h1>
UNDER REVISION <p>Before continuing, make sure that you have the "cavey:beery" password for the expo server. You will need it.
[[This will have a configuration file to download and use..]]
<p>Having installed Filezilla using the <a href="uploading.html#install">installation instructions</a>, you now need to import a configuration file to set it up to use with the public expo server.
<ul>
<li>Download the configuration file <a download href="zilla-uploads.xml">zilla-uploads.xml</a> to your default downloads folder. (Select the option to download it in the pop-up, you don't want to open it in a web browser.)
<li>Open Filezilla and start it running.
<li>Click on the "File" menu item, and select the "Import..." command, this will open a file browser on your local machine
<li>Navigate to your default downloads folder and select the <b>zilla-uploads.xml</b> file.
<li>Now select the "Bookmarks" menu item: at the bottom of the drop-down menu you will see "Expo-uploads". Click on it.
<li>You will now be prompted for the password for the expo server. This is the "cavey:beery" one which we never write down or write in emails. Get it verbally or by phone or secure text message from another expoer.
<li>Now you are in and can copy and move files anywhere. But please don't: stick to copying files from your machine (the left window) to the server (the right window):<br><br>
<a href="fzexample.png" border=2><img src="fzexample.png" align=center width=65%></a><br>(Click to enlarge).
</ul>
<p> <p>
but it's easy, just connect to ftp://expo.survex.com and type in the usual password when a popup asks you. Go to the folder /expofiles/uploads and dump your stuff there. Then ask someone who knows to move it to the right place. Once you have uploaded your files, ask someone who knows to move them to the right place.
<h2>More expert use</h2> <h2>More expert use</h2>
Instead of putting everything in /expofiles/uploads/ why not do it properly? Go back to the "Uploading Photos" page and find out. Instead of putting everything in /expofiles/uploads/ why not do it properly? Go back to <a href="uploading.html#experienced">uploading instructions - experienced users</a> and find out.
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were derived from it and will therefore also be wrong.</p> were derived from it and will therefore also be wrong.</p>
<p>As far as we are aware, all of these points which we have visited are <p>As far as we are aware, all of these points which we have visited are
correct, with the exception of 7/11 on the col (ie. the most useful point, correct, with the exception of 7/11 on the col between the SMK ridge and
nearest Top Camp), which seems to be out by an angular error of 25 or 26&deg; the Nase (not far the old Nase Top Camp), which seems to be out by an angular
from the Nase point. In the table, point 14/16 is also noted as possibly error of 25 or 26&deg; from the Nase point. In the table, point 14/16 is also
being dodgy, but we have no real indication of why.</p> noted as possibly being dodgy, but we have no real indication of why.</p>
<p>Expo (and indeed, the kataster) has now moved over to using the same system as <p>This table shows the coordinates of the laser points in UTM using the WGS84
the rest of the world, ie. UTM based on the WGS84 datum. So it is unfortunate that datum, which is the coordinate system we now use for the expo dataset (and
the points in the table below haven't been translated (and neitehr, it seems have which the Austrian's kataster also now uses). If you want the original
the ones in the survex files). Various people at various times have located the points coordinates, see the <i>*fix</i> commands in the file fixedpts/laser.svx
with GPS, and those fixes I've found are also included here in UTM zone 33T form.</p> in the Survex dataset.</p>
<table class="trad"> <table class="trad">
<tr><td>point</td><td>Y (east)</td><td>X (north)</td><td>Altitude</td><td>where ?</td></tr> <tr><th>Code</th><th> Easting</th><th> Northing</th><th> Altitude</th><th>
Description</th></tr>
<tr><td>KT114-96</td><td>36670.37</td><td>(52)83317.43</td><td>1903.97</td><td>Hinterer Schwarzmooskogel Trig point</td></tr> <tr><td>KT114-96</td><td> 411524.92</td><td> 5282241.69</td><td> 1950.78</td><td>
<tr><td>0</td><td>36386.56</td><td>(52)82804.16</td><td>1815.45</td><td>Hilfstandpunkt (hillock N of <a href="../../1623/161/top.htm">161</a>)</td></tr> Hinterer Schwarzmooskogel Trig point</td></tr>
<tr><td>0/1</td><td>36093.56</td><td>(52)82337.43</td><td>1782.35</td><td>Between <a href="../../1623/156/156.html">156</a> and <a href="../../1623/201.htm">201</a> cloth labelled "0/1" replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/1" (1999)</td></tr> <tr><td>0</td><td> 411230.25</td><td> 5281734.79</td><td> 1862.27</td><td>
<tr><td>0/2</td><td>36029.92</td><td>(52)82432.14</td><td>1750.06</td><td>Near</td></tr> Hilfstandpunkt (hillock N of <a href="../../1623/161/top.htm">161</a>)</td></tr>
<tr><td>0/3</td><td>35866.51</td><td>(52)82424.03</td><td>1710.16</td><td>Near</td></tr> <tr><td>0/1</td><td> 410927.39</td><td> 5281274.61</td><td> 1829.18</td><td>
<tr><td>0/4</td><td>35927.72</td><td>(52)82537.57</td><td>1687.45</td><td><a href="../../1623/145/145.html">Wolfh&ouml;hle</a></td></tr> Between <a href="../../1623/156/156.html">156</a> and <a href="../../1623/201.htm">201</a>. Cloth labelled "0/1" replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/1" (1999)</td></tr>
<tr><td>0/5</td><td>36005.96</td><td>(52)82782.82</td><td>1690.70</td><td>up gully and left from <a href="../../1623/107.htm">107</a> <tr><td>0/2</td><td> 410865.82</td><td> 5281370.64</td><td> 1796.89</td><td>
tatty cloth replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/5" 1998</td></tr> Near 0/1</td></tr>
<tr><td>0/6</td><td>35873.09</td><td>(52)82944.29</td><td>1647.78</td><td>Near <a href="../../1623/76/76.htm">76</a> - between the three entrances. Very faded blue cloth replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/6" in 2006</td></tr> <tr><td>0/3</td><td> 410702.33</td><td> 5281366.04</td><td> 1756.99</td><td>
<tr><td>0/6 UTM 33T</td><td>0410719</td><td>52821888</td><td>1652.14</td><td>AERW's Oregon 300, 2015-08-03, GPS a foot above the tag</td></tr> Near 0/2</td></tr>
<tr><td>0/4</td><td> 410765.94</td><td> 5281478.20</td><td> 1734.28</td><td>
<tr><td>0/7</td><td>35419.56</td><td>(52)82237.16</td><td>1769.77</td><td>Br&auml;uning Nase</td></tr> <a href="../../1623/145/145.html">Wolfh&ouml;hle</a></td></tr>
<tr><td>7/8</td><td>36040.75</td><td>(52)81522.72</td><td>1732.39</td><td>Felskuppe im Bereich des Vd. Schwarzmooskogel (Wei&szlig;e Warze, The Nipple, Bunter's Bulge)</td></tr> <tr><td>0/5</td><td> 410849.40</td><td> 5281721.63</td><td> 1737.52</td><td>
<tr><td>7/9</td><td>35395.41</td><td>(52)81044.60</td><td>1588.31</td><td>Elchh&ouml;hle <a href="../../noinfo/1623/31.htm">1623/31</a>, Punkt am Weg</td></tr> up gully and left from <a href="../../1623/107.htm">107</a>
<tr><td>7/10</td><td>35620.23</td><td>(52)81945.22</td><td>1629.97</td><td>Kratzer Valley below the col</td></tr> tatty cloth replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/5" 1998</td></tr>
<tr><td>7/11</td><td>35659.16</td><td>(52)82394.55</td><td>1682.67</td><td>Schwarzmoossattel (the col) - <i>we believe this is in error</i></td></tr> <tr><td>0/6</td><td> 410720.07</td><td> 5281885.87</td><td> 1694.60</td><td>
<tr><td>8/12</td><td>35924.02</td><td>(52)81699.80</td><td>1725.04</td><td></td></tr> Near <a href="../../1623/76/76.htm">76</a> - between the three entrances. Very faded blue cloth replaced with alloy tag "LASER 0/6" in 2006</td></tr>
<tr><td>8/13</td><td>36171.86</td><td>(52)81947.11</td><td>1775.14</td><td></td></tr> <tr><td>0/7</td><td> 410251.61</td><td> 5281188.86</td><td> 1816.60</td><td>
<tr><td>8/14</td><td>36458.17</td><td>(52)81700.42</td><td>1689.48</td><td>Schwarzmooskogeleish&ouml;hle <a href="../../noinfo/1623/40.htm">1623/40a</a></td></tr> Br&auml;uning Nase</td></tr>
<tr><td>14/15</td><td>36464.69</td><td>(52)81751.21</td><td>1686.66</td><td></td></tr> <tr><td>7/8</td><td> 410857.13</td><td> 5280461.49</td><td> 1779.22</td><td>
<tr><td>14/16</td><td>36558.32</td><td>(52)81537.13</td><td>1660.39</td><td>(possibly dodgy ?)</td></tr> Felskuppe im Bereich des Vd. Schwarzmooskogel (Wei&szlig;e Warze, The Nipple, Bunter's Bulge)</td></tr>
<tr><td>7/9</td><td> 410201.88</td><td> 5279997.48</td><td> 1635.15</td><td>
Elchh&ouml;hle <a href="../../noinfo/1623/31.htm">1623/31</a>. Punkt am Weg (point in the path)</td></tr>
<tr><td>7/10</td><td> 410445.91</td><td> 5280892.78</td><td> 1676.80</td><td>
Kratzer Valley below the col</td></tr>
<tr><td>7/11</td><td> 410494.46</td><td> 5281341.02</td><td> 1729.50</td><td>
Schwarzmoossattel (the col) - <i>we believe this is in error</i></td></tr>
<tr><td>8/12</td><td> 410744.26</td><td> 5280640.97</td><td> 1771.87</td><td>
</td></tr>
<tr><td>8/13</td><td> 410997.27</td><td> 5280882.83</td><td> 1821.97</td><td>
</td></tr>
<tr><td>8/14</td><td> 411278.13</td><td> 5280630.13</td><td> 1736.31</td><td>
Schwarzmooskogeleish&ouml;hle <a href="../../noinfo/1623/40.htm">1623/40a</a></td></tr>
<tr><td>14/15</td><td> 411285.73</td><td> 5280680.75</td><td> 1733.49</td><td>
</td></tr>
<tr><td>14/16</td><td> 411374.72</td><td> 5280464.78</td><td> 1707.22</td><td>
(possibly dodgy ?)</td></tr>
</table> </table>
<p>These fixed points are accessible in the Survex dataset at
fixedpts/laser.svx.</p>
<p><img src="../../../icons/roadwk.png" class="icon" alt="" />A description of our own
surface surveys in the area is under construction, and should eventually
include details of how to find these laserfound points and other fixed
points. Currently, locations of caves in the kataster may be quoted as these
coordinates, or as Latitude/Longitude derived from the Austrian Alpine Club
(OAV) map sheet 15/1, which does not have a grid. Trying to get all these
locations into a single coordinate system is a priority, but will involve
quite a lot of unglamorous surface surveying, so don't hold your breath...</p>
<p>In some Austrian literature, the easting quoted is in a system labelled <p>In some Austrian literature, the easting quoted is in a system labelled
BMN. The Easting grid line +36000 (Gau&szlig; + Kr&uuml;ger, M31) is the BMN. The Easting grid line +36000 (Gau&szlig; + Kr&uuml;ger, M31) is the
same as BMN 486000, and translation appears to be a matter of simple same as BMN 486000, and translation appears to be a matter of simple

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<p>You do need to know the expo password.</p> <p>You do need to know the expo password.</p>
<h3>Installing Filezilla</h3> <h3 id="install">Installing Filezilla</h3>
<p>This software works identically on both Windows and Linux. <p>This software works identically on both Windows and Linux.
<p>Filezilla is an "FTP client". This means that it connects to servers using a venerable service called "file transfer protocol" i.e. FTP. It looks a bit like copying files from one folder to another on your desktop but it works between different machines. <p>Filezilla is an "FTP client". This means that it connects to servers using a venerable service called "file transfer protocol" i.e. FTP. It looks a bit like copying files from one folder to another on your desktop but it works between different machines.
<ul> <ul>
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<p> <p>
To make the admin's life easier, create your own folder in <pre>/home/expo/expofiles/uploads/</pre> with your name like this: <pre>/home/expo/expofiles/uploads/YourName/</pre> and put your files into that folder. ("YourName" should have no spaces, hyphens or underline characters.) So that the admin knpows who is responsible. And for goodness sake please don't upload lots of duplicate photos: cull them first to just the good ones. To make the admin's life easier, create your own folder in <pre>/home/expo/expofiles/uploads/</pre> with your name like this: <pre>/home/expo/expofiles/uploads/YourName/</pre> and put your files into that folder. ("YourName" should have no spaces, hyphens or underline characters.) So that the admin knpows who is responsible. And for goodness sake please don't upload lots of duplicate photos: cull them first to just the good ones.
<h2>Experienced users</h2> <h2 id="experienced">Experienced users</h2>
<p>OK the admin/nerd you have been asking to move the files to the right place is getting fed up and now wants you to put the uploaded photos in the right place yourself. This is where they go: <p>OK the admin/nerd you have been asking to move the files to the right place is getting fed up and now wants you to put the uploaded photos in the right place yourself. This is where they go:
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<User>expo</User>
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<Name>Expo-uploads</Name>
<Comments />
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<Name>Expo-uploads</Name>Expo-uploads<Bookmark>
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the passage went a short way then a shaft (daylight) was seen, the passage the passage went a short way then a shaft (daylight) was seen, the passage
continued but not explored. Straight ahead the passage went about 50 foot to continued but not explored. Straight ahead the passage went about 50 foot to
a 30 foot pitch. This was bolted and descended into a large chamber. To the a 30 foot pitch. This was bolted and descended into a large chamber. To the
left was another pitch about 30 foot deep, undescended. To the rifht was a left was another pitch about 30 foot deep, undescended. To the right was a
rift, further to the right was another rift with an ice-covered stone floor. rift, further to the right was another rift with an ice-covered stone floor.
There was also another passage next to this which is passed just before you There was also another passage next to this which is passed just before you
get to the entrance passage - this also looked like it continued. A number get to the entrance passage - this also looked like it continued. A number
@ -551,7 +551,7 @@ believed to be completely disinformational, Ed.]
<p></p> (Juliette was there by 'voice connection') <p></p> (Juliette was there by 'voice connection')
<p>Had found entrance previous day while looking for another cave. Donned <p>Had found entrance previous day while looking for another cave. Donned
oversuit over shorts and free climbed entrance shaft. Found amzingly small oversuit over shorts and free climbed entrance shaft. Found amazingly small
'letter-box' slit and squeezed through to find pitch which seemed at least 'letter-box' slit and squeezed through to find pitch which seemed at least
15m, placed bolt and handed over to Chris and Becka who had changed into 15m, placed bolt and handed over to Chris and Becka who had changed into
full gear. full gear.
@ -651,13 +651,13 @@ up to. Left first 2 pitches tackled.
it was raining. With great reluctance, people were persuaded to go down holes it was raining. With great reluctance, people were persuaded to go down holes
rather than the bar at the first lull in the rainstorm. Andy led us to the rather than the bar at the first lull in the rainstorm. Andy led us to the
cave which we descended at 4pm. Jared went down pitch first, trying not to cave which we descended at 4pm. Jared went down pitch first, trying not to
dislodge the pecarious boulders (especially the one providing the backup dislodge the precarious boulders (especially the one providing the backup
belay). Pitch only 15 ft - rift led off but not far before it choked, blocked belay). Pitch only 15 ft - rift led off but not far before it choked, blocked
off according to Jared. Jenny found a drafting slot which she dug out, until off according to Jared. Jenny found a drafting slot which she dug out, until
rocks started falling on her head. Probably carries on, but too suicidal. rocks started falling on her head. Probably carries on, but too suicidal.
Chris found a 1985 vintage Mars Bar wrapper under a rock. Detackled, got a Chris found a 1985 vintage Mars Bar wrapper under a rock. Detackled, got a
little lost on the way back, &amp; got to the Loser Hut to meet the others, little lost on the way back, &amp; got to the Loser Hut to meet the others,
about to start rescuing us (again) at 9. Bar closed, so everyine scoffed about to start rescuing us (again) at 9. Bar closed, so everyone scoffed
Chris' gluhwein in the tent instead, just to annoy the German couple in the Chris' gluhwein in the tent instead, just to annoy the German couple in the
caravan next door. caravan next door.
@ -698,7 +698,7 @@ went down first &amp; traversed across, about 30m down, to look at a pitch
(nearly filled with ice). Then carried on 10m down to bottom of snow slope, (nearly filled with ice). Then carried on 10m down to bottom of snow slope,
where the rift was - yes, you've guessed it - boulder choked. Becka came down where the rift was - yes, you've guessed it - boulder choked. Becka came down
&amp; tried pulling rocks out since rift did carry on, but one rock was &amp; tried pulling rocks out since rift did carry on, but one rock was
jammed making it to tight, &amp; there was no sign of a draught. Becka fouhgt jammed making it to tight, &amp; there was no sign of a draught. Becka fought
her way up the snow slope first, while Chris had a poke at the pitch at the her way up the snow slope first, while Chris had a poke at the pitch at the
30m level. He descended 10 ft down the 30ft hole beside the vertical 30m level. He descended 10 ft down the 30ft hole beside the vertical
ice/snow, but the rope was slicing like a cheesewire through a large chunk ice/snow, but the rope was slicing like a cheesewire through a large chunk
@ -731,7 +731,7 @@ boulders in shaft.&quot;
<p>&quot;On the plateau discovered by its draught, but not really <p>&quot;On the plateau discovered by its draught, but not really
pushed&quot;, the guidebook says. and then the hole was lost for two years, pushed&quot;, the guidebook says. and then the hole was lost for two years,
redicovered yesterday by MM etc... Awkward crawl over boulders 5m to a rediscovered yesterday by MM etc... Awkward crawl over boulders 5m to a
freeclimbable little pitch after a boulder squeeze. Reaches a phreatic tube: freeclimbable little pitch after a boulder squeeze. Reaches a phreatic tube:
right silts up in boulders; left goes slowly along + down over snow &amp; big right silts up in boulders; left goes slowly along + down over snow &amp; big
big rocks to reach a huge chamber (is it perhaps 82 ?) + pitch of, say, 20m. big rocks to reach a huge chamber (is it perhaps 82 ?) + pitch of, say, 20m.
@ -835,7 +835,7 @@ saucepan for the survey trip.
below Big Bertha, then surveyed back up to surface, getting very cold. Rest below Big Bertha, then surveyed back up to surface, getting very cold. Rest
of us started bolted down ledges. Many rebelays later, got to the bttom of a of us started bolted down ledges. Many rebelays later, got to the bttom of a
big chamber (or continuation of other chamber) with a boulder-choked floor. big chamber (or continuation of other chamber) with a boulder-choked floor.
Mike had a good nose round, could find no snesible way on, though seems to Mike had a good nose round, could find no sensible way on, though seems to
continue further down, and drafts (q.strongly in places) through boulder continue further down, and drafts (q.strongly in places) through boulder
chokes - could chuck stones down, but too tight and all v. loose. Chris chokes - could chuck stones down, but too tight and all v. loose. Chris
&amp; Becka descended the final small (~4m) pitch to small pool of water. &amp; Becka descended the final small (~4m) pitch to small pool of water.
@ -896,7 +896,7 @@ bandage - burn hands, arms, neck and face !
<p>Several beers were consumed and the following items of note were made: <p>Several beers were consumed and the following items of note were made:
<p>1) Someone in the Austrian club is aquiring our journals before they reach <p>1) Someone in the Austrian club is acquiring our journals before they reach
the appropriate person. In future copies should be sent to either: the appropriate person. In future copies should be sent to either:
<p>Sepp Steinberger or Alfred Auer <p>Sepp Steinberger or Alfred Auer