diff --git a/core/forms.py b/core/forms.py
index f6fdda6..f377361 100644
--- a/core/forms.py
+++ b/core/forms.py
@@ -119,68 +119,79 @@ class CaveForm(ModelForm):
 
 class EntranceForm(ModelForm):
     """Only those fields for which we want to override defaults are listed here
-    the other fields are present on the form, but use the default presentaiton style
+    the other fields are present on the form, but use the default presentation style
     """
 
     name = forms.CharField(required=False, widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "45"}))
     entrance_description = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     explorers = forms.CharField(required=False, widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "45"}))
     # explorers = forms.CharField(required = False, widget=TinyMCE(attrs={'cols': 80, 'rows': 10}))
     map_description = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     location_description = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     lastvisit = forms.CharField(
-        required=False, widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "10"}), label="Date of last visit"
+        required=False, widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "10"}), label="Date of last visit, e.g. 2023-07-11"
     )
     approach = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     underground_description = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     photo = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     marking_comment = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     findability_description = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     other_description = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
     )
     bearings = forms.CharField(
         required=False,
-        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter page content (using HTML)"}),
+        widget=HTMLarea(attrs={"height": "80%", "rows": 20, "placeholder": "Enter text (using HTML)"}),
+    )
+    tag_station = forms.CharField(
+        required=False,
+        widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "50"}), label="Tag station: Survex station id, e.g. 1623.p2023-xx-01"
+    )
+    exact_station = forms.CharField(
+        required=False,
+        widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "50"}), label="Exact station: Survex station id, e.g. 1623.2023-xx-01.2"
+    )
+    other_station = forms.CharField(
+        required=False,
+        widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "50"}), label="Other station: Survex station id, e.g. 1623.2023-xx-01.33"
     )
-    other_station = forms.CharField(required=False)
-    tag_station = forms.CharField(required=False)
-    exact_station = forms.CharField(required=False)
     northing = forms.CharField(required=False)
     easting = forms.CharField(required=False)
-    lat_wgs84 = forms.CharField(required=False, widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "10"}), label="Latitude (WSG84)")
+    lat_wgs84 = forms.CharField(
+        required=False, widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "10"}), label="Latitude (WSG84) - if no other location"
+        )
     long_wgs84 = forms.CharField(
-        required=False, widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "10"}), label="Longitude (WSG84)"
-    )
+        required=False, widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "10"}), label="Longitude (WSG84) - if no other location"
+        )
     alt = forms.CharField(required=False, label="Altitude (m)")
     url = forms.CharField(required=False, label="URL [usually blank]", widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={"size": "45"}))
 
-    field_order = ['name', 'entrance_description', 'explorers', 'map_description', 'location_description', 'lastvisit', 'approach', 'underground_description', 'photo', 'marking_comment', 'findability_description', 'other_description', 'bearings', 'other_station', 'tag_station', 'exact_station', 'northing', 'easting', 'lat_wgs84', 'long_wgs84', 'alt', 'url']
+    field_order = ['name', 'entrance_description', 'explorers', 'map_description', 'location_description', 'lastvisit', 'approach', 'underground_description', 'photo', 'marking_comment', 'findability_description', 'other_description', 'bearings', 'tag_station', 'exact_station', 'other_station', 'northing', 'easting', 'lat_wgs84', 'long_wgs84', 'alt', 'url']
 
     class Meta:
         model = Entrance
diff --git a/core/views/caves.py b/core/views/caves.py
index cb4496e..1dbb1e9 100644
--- a/core/views/caves.py
+++ b/core/views/caves.py
@@ -485,10 +485,8 @@ def edit_entrance(request, path="", caveslug=None, entslug=None):
             entrance_letter.entrance = entrance
             entrance_letter.save()
             
-            if not entrance.filename:
-                print(f"! BARF - why no filename set?  '{entslug}' letter:{entletter.cleaned_data['entrance_letter']}")
             entrance_file = entrance.file_output()
-            print(f"Online edit of entrance {entrance.slug}")
+            # print(f"Online edit of entrance {entrance.slug}")
             cave_file = cave.file_output()
             write_and_commit([entrance_file, cave_file], f"Online edit of entrance {entrance.slug}")
             return HttpResponseRedirect("/" + cave.url)