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<h2 id="tophead">CUCC Expo Prospecting Handbook</h2>
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<h1>Non-CUCC caves, and CUCC cock-ups</h1>
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<p>These are all in area 1623.
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<p>Caves with the following numbers were not explored by CUCC,
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though those we have come across and can find again are recorded in
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the "known caves" table.</p>
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<tr><td>1-40, 42-60, 72-75, 77-79</td><td>'Austrian' caves.</td></tr>
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<tr><td>41</td><td>Austrian discovery pushed by a German group, but main
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exploration by CUCC, so included as "one of ours".</td></tr>
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<tr><td>88</td><td>a 'German' cave - except see below</td></tr>
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<tr><td>116-130</td><td>'German' caves</td></tr>
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<tr><td>131-134</td><td>'Austrian' caves, out near Wildensee</td></tr>
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<tr><td>166-170</td><td>not our numbers</td></tr>
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<tr><td>202, 203, 206</td><td>used for ARGE finds</td></tr>
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<tr><td>211-213, 221</td><td>not our numbers</td></tr>
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<tr><td>236 onwards</td><td>numbers not yet allocated (as of summer 2003)</td></tr>
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<h3>Cock-ups</h3>
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<p>The following caves have, for one reason or another, been misnumbered by CUCC members over the years. We make no claims that these are the only cock-ups that may have occurred.</p>
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<tr><td><a name="x88">88</a></td><td>Numbered in red, but didn't go. Number
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reused by Austrians (for a significant cave explored by a German group).
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Allegedly this number was changed to 87A or 87B, but in fact this is not the
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case and this number needs to be removed. [In 2018 the number has faded so badly that you can only just see that it once said "88".]</td></tr>
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<tr><td>106</td><td>This was a number which we were entitled to use, and
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which we applied to <a href="/1623/76/76.htm">Eislufthöhle</a>,
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an early significant find. However, the cave was written up in a
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non-CUCC publication which went to the Austrians, who allocated this cave
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their own number (76) since our number wasn't mentioned. This makes a lot of
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CUCC documentation
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confusing, but the net result is that 106 is probably not our number anymore. We
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believe that the Austrians have not reused it, and in fact it appears they
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still refer to Eislufthöhle as 106 in places.</td></tr>
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<tr><td><a href="/1623/141.htm">141</a>,<a href="/1623/142.htm">142</a></td>
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<td>These were incorrectly labelled 131 and 132 (respectively) in paint. 142 has since been corrected, but it seems 141 may still be marked 131.</td></tr>
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<tr><td><a href="/cave/1623-114">114</a>
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</td><td>This cave was completely missing! (found in 1980, but no
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record was published - the logbook is missing). Identified as being same as cave found in 2018 and explored to 20m conclusion in 2019.</td></tr>
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<tr><td>185</td><td>Apart from <a name="x185" href="/1623/185/185.html">2
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Year Gestation Höhle</a> (on the col en route to 161a) which is
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correctly numbered 185, there may have been <b>two</b> other caves erroneously
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numbered "185". One of these is really 186, whose marking was corrected
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on <a href="../years/1997/log.htm">1997-08-13</a>.
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The other is the undocumented 90/15 - the only reference
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to this is in a 1990 log book write-up listing a number of caves which had
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been painted during the expedition, so it seems most likely that 90/15 was a
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typo and never actually existed, let alone got 185 painted on it.
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To add to this mess, the real 185 was <a href="../years/1990/newent.htm">originally marked 183!</a></td></tr>
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<tr><td>232 - 238</td><td><p>After the switch over to the new system whereby
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caves are given official numbers only on receipt of a form and survey, the
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numbers 232-5 were used for caves in the vicinity of Eishöhle, after
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Robert Seebacher told us we'd be allocated these numbers so long as we got the
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forms to him promptly. However, the forms were mistakenly posted to AERW
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instead of the Austrians, so Robert not unreasonably allocated the numbers to
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other caves.</p>
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<p>This led to some discrepancies between the Austrian's numbering and ours; these were resolved by an allocation of new numbers in 2004, detailed <a href="../years/2004/kataster2004.html">here</a>. Some old documents and survey notes may be rather confusing on this point!</p>
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