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Becka b952f6f9d8 Update tables of cave id mappings
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Note that this lot is based on the prospecting guide and website, and is probably way out of date already
Can't get Austrian number without more work:
A1 missing, unsurveyed, untagged
B1 missing, unsurveyed, untagged
B2 missing, unsurveyed, untagged
B3 missing, unsurveyed, untagged - may be findable starting from B4
B5 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but almost certainly identical with a kataster-numbered cave
B6 missing, probably numbered in invisible green paint. 8m blind. Too small to go in kataster.
B10 missing, occasional sightings ? probably numbered in invisible green paint
BS16 unmarked, unsurveyed, coords may or may not be any good
BS17 we have no survey data, but believed relocated 2015 ? Remote and hard cave
BS19 unmarked, unsurveyed, coords may or may not be any good
LA11 we have LUSS data
LA12 location in svx, no data
LA25 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA26 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA27 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA30 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA34 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map, may be in 1626
LA35 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA37 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA38 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA40 missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
1987-02 Surveyed, photoed, tagged. Submitted 2016
1992-X-01 allegedly refindable, but unmarked and undescended
1996-01 needs survey - coords are pre-SA and believed hopelessly wrong
1996-WK-4 cords pre-SA. Failed to refind.
1996-WK-11 explored (digable), surveyed, tagged, photoed. Submitted 2016
1996-WK-12 needs survey, needs retag (2005-89 as no letters in tag kit)
1996-X-01 documented as under 3m long - so should not need an Austrian number
1996-05 apparently a non-CUCC discovery but no evidence of exploration - should be done !
1997-07 needs survey
1999-MS-01 unmarked, needs survey (unexplored?)
1999-MS-02 unmarked, needs survey (unexplored?)
1999-OB-01 too insignificant to need a kataster number
1999-OB-02 PG: surveyed but data/drawing missing. svx has 3 legs refer wallet 2006#?? Can't see anything in 2006#1 to 2006#33, ie scanned stuff
1999-X-01 needs survey and tag
2000-02 needs survey and photo
2000-08 needs survey
2001-02 needs survey and tag added to spit
2001-03 needs survey
2001-06 needs survey
2001-07 needs survey and tag, exploration incomplete
2001-08 explored. needs survey (has grade2 sketch), and tag (has spit)
2001-09 needs resurvey (original missing)
2001-10 needs survey
2001-11 needs survey, or might be too short for kataster
2001-12 needs survey - may be a VfHM cave
2002-03 needs survey and entrance photo
2002-05 have svx, not in PG. ent coords in 2006#1 # now in kataster as 1623/294
2002-06 surveyed, but drawing lost - may be too short for a kataster number. ent coords in 2006#1
2002-07 have svx, not in PG
2002-08 surveyed, but drawing lost. May be pushed by small chemical persuasion
2002-10 needs survey and entrance photo
2002-AD-01 needs survey and entrance photo, and tag
2002-AD-02 needs survey and entrance photo, and tag
2002-AD-03 needs survey and entrance photo, unmarked
2002-AD-04 PG: needs survey. Seem to have 2012 survey data
2002-OB-01 needs survey, tag and more push
2002-W-01 PG says needs survey, but location says "see sketch in survey notes"
2002-W-02 PG: needs survey and tag. Seem to have 2002 svx data
2002-X-09 unmarked and undescended
2002-X-09b unmarked - just a rock shelter, cannot need a kataster number
2002-X-15 unmarked, needs survey and better description if over 10m
2002-X-16 unmarked - may not be penetrable - one word description is illegible
2002-X-17 unmarked, needs survey
2002-X-18 unmarked, needs survey if over 10m
2002-XX needs tag, surveyed, but drawing lost
2003-01 not in PG, have a short svx - refer to wallet 2003#10
2003-07 unmarked, location and photo may not be the right cave, and the 2003-07 tag was on 2003-08 (now 240)
2003-X-11 unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2003-X-12 unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2003-X-13 unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2003-X-14 needs survey and tag. See wallet 2006#12 <5m long, does not need kataster number
2003-X-15 unmarked, needs survey.
2003-X-16 unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2003-X-17 unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo, or may be too short for kataster
2003-X-18 unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2004-01 surveyed,
2004-02 needs survey and possible boulder removal
------- "Mystery cave nearish 186" in same wallet as 2004-03 has no ID, but could be given one, and drawn up. Location ?
2004-04 undescended, no coords
2004-05 undescended, no coords, tag prepared but not placed 2004 - did this ever get done ? Does sound refindable...
2004-06 undescended, no coords, ditto
2004-07 needs survey
2004-08 PG: needs survey. 14 legs svx, refer wallet 2006#16 - sketching really not adequate for a survey
2004-09 undescended, no coords, tag prepared but not placed 2004, probably near (missing) 177 ...
2004-10 PG: needs survey - may be QMs. 8 legs of svx, refer wallet 2013# xxxxx
2004-13 needs survey and entrance photo, only marking is part-drilled spit hole
2004-14 surveyed, but drawing lost. refer wallet 2004#41
2004-15 svx, refer wallet 2004#41
2004-16 undescended, drafts in
2004-17 needs survey
2004-18 needs survey, may go further with low snow
2004-21 unmarked, needs survey, one QM
2005-01 unmarked, survey done but drawing missing, needs entrance photo
2005-02 unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2005-03 unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2005-06 needs survey
2005-08 needs survey
2005-91 needs survey, may be undescended ?
2005-92 needs survey
2005-93 surveyed, but drawing lost
2005-94 surveyed, but drawing lost
2005-95 surveyed, but drawing lost
2005-96 surveyed, but drawing lost
2005-97 needs survey, or may just be too short to need kataster number
2005-98 needs survey - apparently not a CUCC find
2005-99 needs survey, short but will be hard work (tight)
2006-01 needs survey and marking - undescended
2006-02 needs survey and marking
2006-03 needs survey and marking
2006-05 needs survey and entrance photo
2006-06 surveyed, but drawing lost. ent coords in 2006#1
2006-07 needs survey and entrance photo
2006-08 needs survey and entrance photo - svx ? wallet 2007#31 seems to be grade 1 plan and elev but 2006#33 may be actual survey (2 legs)
2006-09 needs survey # Now kataster-numbered as 1623/298
2006-70 surveyed, but drawing lost, needs tag
2006-71 not in PG. see wallet 2006#16
2006-72 surveyed, but drawing lost
2007-01 needs survey, photo
2007-02 needs survey, photo
2007-70 surveyed, but drawing lost
2007-72 surveyed, but drawing lost
2011-01 surveyed, photoed. Katesterable. 3 QM C
2012-HW-01 needs survey or may be less than 10m and not needing kataster number
2012-HW-02 unmarked, needs survey or may be too short for kataster
2012-OK-01 unexplored, unmarked
2012-OK-02 unexplored, unmarked
2012-OK-03 is BS17
2012-NS-03 needs drawing up
2013-sw-01 needs drawing up
2014-NEO_01 surveyed, drawn, tagged. No photo
2014-SD-01 surveyed, not drawn, tagged. No photo
2014-MS-01 to 2014-MS-14 GPS only. No data.
88F not our cave, no survey
88H not our cave, missing
E02 not our cave, have survey data from Arge
E09 not our cave, have survey data from Arge
E16 not our cave, have survey data from Arge
E28 not our cave, have survey data from Arge
HFG-KA88 not our cave, no survey
Have got Austrian number, but not actually/adequately documented:
(some things listed as surveyed but drawing lost may mean surveyed by Arge, so we have the data, but no pictures)
37 & 38 to be fair, these aren't our caves, I think...
40 we have survey data, no drawing (mostly not CUCC exploration)
71 drawn up survey, no data (Karl Gaisberger cave, CUCC surveyed)
76 survey of deepest parts deeply suspect (grade 1)
80 needs survey
81 needs survey
82 well-documented, but original survey data thrown away
83 PG: needs survey. Seems to be a *lot* of survey data from 2012
84 missing since c 1977, may actually be 148
85 needs survey - has to be done in a low-snow year
86 missing since c 1977, 25m rift, SE of 82 - needs a search
87 PG says no survey and marking may be wrong. I thought we did survey this ? dataset has Arge resurvey data, 2003
87B too short for kataster and may be incorrectly marked 88
89 missing, 25m shaft. Should have bolts, so ought to at least be indentifiable if found, but person who remembers this may be confusing it with 98
90 needs survey
91 needs survey
92 missing
93 needs survey
94 needs survey
95 needs survey
96 needs survey
97 sketch survey only - has QMs, really needs doing again (but tight and then wet)
98 needs survey (2 pitches to c 48m depth)
99 survey data missing. very esoteric drawn survey. links 76, so this info may be out of date ?
100 needs survey
101 needs survey
102 needs survey
103 needs survey
104 needs survey
105 needs survey
106 numbering cockup
108 needs survey and more convincing description
109 needs survey, probably in low-snow year
110 PG "We don't have a kitten's chance in heck of finding this" but believed now located, needs survey and entrance photo ?
111 needs survey. wallet 2006#32 has GPS fix
112 needs survey. wallet 2006#32 claims to be one, but is just a sketch (and then surface survey)
113 PG says needs survey which will be quite hard as it is 330m deep, but I think that it was surveyed...
the coords says "at start of underground survey". Suspect PG bollocks.
114 utterly missing, no conceivable hope of finding or identifying this
117-120 missing, but probably not CUCC anyway
127-130 missing, but probably not CUCC anyway
131-133 not ours, but beware we may have painted these numbers elsewhere...
135 surveyed, but drawing lost
136 surveyed, but drawing lost
137 no survey or coords but near enough a known cave to refind ?
138 surveyed, but drawing lost
139 surveyed, but drawing lost
140 needs survey
141 needs pushed and surveyed, probably mislabelled 131
146 missing, but ought to be refindable from 147, though apparently unmarked, probably undescended
149 missing, but ought to be refindable from 145, though unmarked. needs survey
150 actually too short for a kataster number (2m)
151 ditto (3m?)
152 surveyed, but drawing lost
153 needs survey
154 needs survey
155 mostly undescended
156 needs survey, may go further in a low-snow year
157 needs survey in low snow year, and may link to 107 (PG) but seems to be 2012 survey data
158 drawn survey, but data missing
159 needs survey
160 needs survey and description
164 needs survey
165 needs survey. PG notes another cave nearby with a non-CUCC bolt, which we should also document
171 needs survey - no rigging, walking passage, should be easy !
173 needs survey
174 needs survey
175 needs survey
176 needs survey
177 missing, no bolts (explored to 35m on Bunde belay)
178 missing
179 missing
180 needs survey
181 needs survey and entrance pic
182 PG says data but drawn survey missing. Needs tag
183 PG says data but drawn survey missing. Needs tag and entrnce pic
184 needs survey, tag and pic
185 PG says data but drawn survey missing. Needs tag
186 needs survey
187 unmarked, only partly explored
188 needs survey
189 needs survey
190 needs survey
191 needs survey and photo
192 missing, paint marked, partially explored, has a spit (not ours?)
194 needs survey
197 needs survey
198 needs survey (=B11)
200 surveyed 1998. data generated from drawn-up survey
201 surveyed, but drawing lost, needs photo
202 surveyed, but drawing lost
203 surveyed, but drawing lost
205 needs retag
206 surveyed, but drawing lost, coords only for 1 (of 5) ent
209 surveyed, but drawing lost
210 needs survey (=1998-03)
214 needs survey
215 Desc says "? Wookey"
216 surveyed, but drawing lost
217 needs survey, desc says "? Wookey"
218 needs survey and retag (WOOK6 - which ought to have been 1996-WK-06)
219 needs survey and retag (WOOK5 - which ought to have been 1996-WK-05)
220 survey done, but missing
222 needs survey and retag (9604)
223 needs survey and retag (96-03)
224 needs survey and retag (9602)
225 needs survey
226 needs survey and description
227 needs survey and description
228 surveyed, but drawing lost, needs marking and entrance photo
229 surveyed, but drawing lost, spit but no tag
230 needs survey and retag (99-04)
235 needs survey
236 needs survey, mistagged as 232
237 needs survey and coords for 2 (of 3) entrances
238 second half of survey from 2012 never drawn up
239 needs entrance photo
242 needs entrance photo
243 needs entrance photo and retag (2001-05) which may have been done in 2004 (yes, PG is that out of date...)
244 needs retag ? Second part of survey allegedly not scanned, so presumably full survey not drawn up
245 needs retag ? Published survey still under number 2003-09 - should really redraw
246 needs retag ?
247 needs retag ? drawn survey, but data missing. Drawn survey is essentially a sketch, so needs a real survey
248 needs retag ? needs entrance photo
249 needs retag ?
250 needs entrance photo (=2000-aa-01)
251 needs retag ?
253 needs entrance photos (2 ents). Needs retag ? (was 2004-15)
254 needs entrance photos (3 ents) 2 ents might need tags (already punched at stone bridge (in 2016)) (was 2004-19)
255 needs retag ? (was 2004-20)
256 needs entrance photo
257 needs underground description
263 needs retag ? (2010-01)
264 allegedly needs retag (2005-05). Seems unlikely... but no-one has actually checked (2015)
268 needs retag (1996WK11)
269 needs retag. 76 bivi cave (was 2004-01 )
271 Needs retag ? (was 2007-71)
Ought to be able to submit documentation and get a number:
There are depressingly few here partly because we have actually caught
up quite a few in 2017,18,19, and because the documentation and links are so crap...
B4 survey needs drawing up (technically too short for kataster?)
2002-AD-04 PG: needs survey. Seem to have 2012 survey data
2004-03 PG: tagged, no survey. 6 legs of svx, refer wallet 2006#15 which contains something that could be drawn as a plan
2004-14 surveyed, but drawing lost. refer wallet 2004#41
2006-73 tagged, unexplored. But seems to be a survey in 2006#31 under name Ice Curtain Cave. No description on website.
2014-SD-01 2014 SD 01 looks a convincing set of docs - survey needs drawing
2006-71 not in PG. see wallet 2006#16.
Main cave index page now shows temporary numbers as well as kataster
numbers, so serves as main translation table between old/new numbers.
Needed because log books will refer to the old number, whilst the website descriptions will (over time) be
updated to the final number, and stuff which is documented will go away from the Prospecting Guide...
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