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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
+<html>
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8" />
+<title>
+1623-105
+</title>
+<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/main2.css" />
+</head>
+
+<body>
+<H1>1623-105</H1>
+<div class="centre"><img alt="" src="/1623/105/i/105-nick-1977-aerw.jpg" />
+</div>
+
+<p>Nick Thorne at 105</p>
+
+
+<p class="caption">Photo &copy; Andy Waddington, 1977</p>
+
+
+<hr />
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
+<html>
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8" />
+<title>
+1623-105
+</title>
+<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/main2.css" />
+</head>
+
+<body>
+<H1>1623-105</H1>
+<div class="centre"><img alt="" src="/1623/105/i/105-simon-1977-aerw.jpg" />
+</div>
+
+<p>Simon Farrow at 105</p>
+
+
+<p class="caption">Photo &copy; Andy Waddington, 1977</p>
+
+
+<hr />
+</body>
+</html>
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--- a/cave_data/1623-105.html
+++ b/cave_data/1623-105.html
@@ -1,64 +1,46 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
-<!-- This file is generated by troggle on Oct. 6, 2023, 2:29 p.m. UTC using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
+<!-- ALTERNATIVELY you can download an example template from expoweb/templates/cave_data.html -->
 <!-- Only put one cave in this file -->
-<!-- If you edit this 1623-nnn.html file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
+<!-- If you edit this 162x-nnn.html file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
 make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
 though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
-<!-- ALTERNATIVELY you can download an example template from expoweb/templates/cave_data.html -->
 <html lang="en">
 <head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
-<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> on Oct. 6, 2023, 2:29 p.m. UTC using the form documented at
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> using the form documented at
 the form documented at 
 <a href="/handbook/survey/caveentry.html">handbook/survey/caveentry.html</a>
 <br>
 
 <cave>
-<non_public>False</non_public><!-- 'False' or 'True'. True if the cave should only be visible to logged-in users. Caves are normally public, so enter 'False' unless you know otherwise. -->
-<caveslug>1623-105</caveslug><!--(Ignored). Internal I.D. formerlly used. Using filename''  -->
-<official_name>Plateau Schacht 105</official_name><!-- Name of the cave (normally in German)  Use &uuml; for u+Umlaut and &ouml; for o+umlaut eg H&ouml;hle for Hohle and Gl&uuml;ck for Gluck-->
-<area>1623</area><!-- e.g. "1623" -->
-<kataster_code>1/S +</kataster_code><!-- 'length-or-depth/type exploration'
-code used in the Austrian kataster e.g '1/S +' - https://expo/.survex.com/katast.htm
+<non_public>False</non_public>
 
-    T   Trockenh&ouml;hlen (Dry caves)
-    W   Wasserh&ouml;hlen (Caves with water)
-   (W)  Zeitweilig aktiv Wasserh&ouml;hlen (Caves with seasonal water)
-    E   Eishohlen (Caves with ice formations)
-    S   Schachth&ouml;hlen (Caves with pitches)
-    H   Halbh&ouml;hlen (Rock shelters ?)
-
-    -   unerforscht (unexplored)
-    =   befahren (visited)
-    ×   teilweise vermessen (partly surveyed)
-    +   erforscht (exploration considered complete)
- -->
-<kataster_number>105</kataster_number> <!-- (Either this or unofficial_number is required). Official number in Austrian kataster if one has been allocated  -->
-<unofficial_number></unofficial_number><!-- (Either this or kataster_number is required). Initial temporary cave ID used until kataster number is allocated e.g. '2012-DD-01'-->
+<official_name>Plateau Schacht 105</official_name>
+<area>1623</area>
+<kataster_code>1/S +</kataster_code>
+<kataster_number>105</kataster_number> 
+<unofficial_number></unofficial_number>
 
 <entrance>
-  <entranceslug>1623-105</entranceslug><!-- Internal ID to refer to each entrance instance in the entrance files (typically the same as that filename (e.g. 1623-161c). Matches the 'slug' field in the entrance file -->
-  <!-- DEBUG  1623-105+1623-105 'Z' == -->
-  <letter></letter><!--Leave blank for single-entrance cave. If there is more than one entrace then the letter needs to be given. Generally matches the entranceslug ID.  -->
+  <entranceslug>1623-105</entranceslug>
+  <letter></letter>
 </entrance>
 
-<explorers>CUCC 1977 - Team Youth (N.Thorne, A.Waddington)</explorers><!-- 'CUCC Expo' and year(s) of exploration. To distinguish from caves explored by foreign groups. Individual names can be given too if it was a small cave. -->
-<survex_file>caves-1623/105/105.svx</survex_file><!-- Name of top-level survey file for this cave. Relative to the 'loser' survex repository. So for most caves that's "caves-162x/cavenum/cavnum.svx". (e.g. caves-1623/204/204.svx -->
-<underground_description>Handline descent for 9m leads to a ledge from where a fine 31m pitch drops 14m to a large ledge, then continues in a parallel shaft below an aven, with further ledges at -17, -21m. The shaft is in clean bluish-white limestone and lands on a dampish flat gravel floor.</underground_description><!-- Underground description. (description of approach and entrance goes in entrance file). For a small cave this will be the entire description. For larger caves it will be the front page of the description, or a short intro, containing links to other pages with the cave description in, or even nothing but a link. -->
-<equipment></equipment><!-- For a small cave, summary of gear needed to descend. For longer caves it could be blank, a table, or just refer to the description/topos. Leave blank if this info is in the description. -->
-<references></references><!-- References to documentation. Could be Journal articles or Logbook entries. Can be links if the docs are online. -->
-<survey></survey><!-- Drawn-up surveys. Scans of paper surveys or images/PDFs of electronic surveys. Should include HTML to display current plan and elevation, with links to larger versions (See section on URLs and files). Could list links to multiple years of survey, or even a separate survey page if it's complicated enough. -->
-<kataster_status></kataster_status>
-<underground_centre_line></underground_centre_line><!-- 'In dataset' if it is in the survex dataset. Blank if not, or notes about status such as 'surveyed, but no entrance fix so not yet in dataset'. -->
-<notes></notes><!-- Normally empty, but place for anything else that should be noted, such as info on cave maybe being a duplicate, or lost -->
-<length></length><!-- Cave length. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet) -->
-<depth></depth><!--Cave depth. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet)  -->
+<explorers>CUCC 1977 - Team Youth (N.Thorne, A.Waddington)</explorers>
+<survex_file>caves-1623/105/105.svx</survex_file>
+<underground_description>Handline descent for 9m leads to a ledge from where a fine 31m pitch drops 14m to a large ledge, then continues in a parallel shaft below an aven, with further ledges at -17, -21m. The shaft is in clean bluish-white limestone and lands on a dampish flat gravel floor.</underground_description>
+<equipment></equipment>
+<references></references>
+<survey></survey>
+<notes></notes>
+<length></length>
+<depth></depth>
 <extent></extent>
 
-<description_file></description_file><!-- Path of top-level description file for this cave, when a separate file is used. Otherwise blank. -->
-<url>1623/105/105.html</url><!-- (Required). Relative URL of this cave. i.e the URL this cave appears at on the website, not including 'https://expo.survex.com/. Normally area/cavenum., e.g ('1623/000')-->
+<description_file></description_file>
 </cave>
 </body>
 </html>
diff --git a/entrance_data/1623-105.html b/entrance_data/1623-105.html
index 1aa7e6d30..c25360d37 100644
--- a/entrance_data/1623-105.html
+++ b/entrance_data/1623-105.html
@@ -1,23 +1,51 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
 <!-- Only put one entrance in this file -->
-<!-- If you edit this file, make sure you update the websites database -->
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle  using the form documented at handbook/survey/ententry.html -->
+<!-- If you edit this file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
+make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
+though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
+
+    <!-- See http://expo.survex.com/handbook/survey/caveentryfields.html for current details on filling in this form -->
+    <!-- there is 1 required field: slug. The entrance will not appear without that. -->
+    <!-- ALWAYS use &uuml; for u+Umlaut and &ouml; for o+umlaut eg H&ouml;hle for Hohle and Gl&uuml;ck for Gluck-->
+
 <html lang="en">
 <head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b>  using the form documented at 
+<a href="/handbook/survey/ententry.html">handbook/survey/ententry.html</a>
+<br>
 <entrance>
 <non_public>False</non_public>
-
-
-<name></name>
+<slug>1623-105</slug> <!-- one entrance and one slug per entrance_data file -->
+<name>105</name>
 <entrance_description></entrance_description>
 <explorers></explorers>
-<map_description></map_description>
 <location_description>30m north of <a href="/1623/76/76.html">Eislufth&ouml;hle</a> on the plateau.</location_description>
+<lastvisit></lastvisit>
 <approach></approach>
 <underground_description></underground_description>
-<photo></p><table class="imgtable"><tr><td><a href="view.jpg"><img src="view_small.jpg" /></a></td><td><a href="105_entrance.jpg"><img src="105_entrance_small.jpg" /></a></td><td><a href="105ent.jpg"><img src="105ent_small.jpg" /></a></td><td><a href="downent.jpg"><img src="downent_small.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr class="caption"><td>View of location (entrance in centre of picture)</td><td>Entrance (1999)</td><td>Entrance (2005) &mdash; note tag and number on right-hand wall</td><td>View down entrance shaft</td></tr></table><p>Photos &copy; Olly Betts</photo>
+<photo></p><center>
+<a href='/1623/105/l/105-nick-1977-aerw.html'><img src='/1623/105/t/105-nick-1977-aerw.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;
+<a href='/1623/105/l/105-simon-1977-aerw.html'><img src='/1623/105/t/105-simon-1977-aerw.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;
+<br />
+Note painted number '105' on right-hand wall in 1977.
+</center>
+
+<table class="imgtable">
+  <tr>
+    <td><a href="view.jpg"><img src="view_small.jpg" /></a></td>
+    <td><a href="105_entrance.jpg"><img src="105_entrance_small.jpg" /></a></td>
+    <td><a href="105ent.jpg"><img src="105ent_small.jpg" /></a></td>
+    <td><a href="downent.jpg"><img src="downent_small.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr class="caption">
+  <td>View of location (entrance in centre of picture)</td>
+  <td>Entrance (1999)</td><td>Entrance (2005) &mdash; note tag and number on right-hand wall</td>
+  <td>View down entrance shaft</td>
+  </tr></table>
+
+<p>Photos &copy; Olly Betts</photo>
 <!-- marking options: P  = Paint,
                       P? = Paint (?),
                       T  = Tag,
@@ -36,14 +64,12 @@
 <findability>S</findability>
 <findability_description></findability_description>
 <alt></alt>
-<northing></northing>
-<easting></easting> 
+<lat_wgs84></lat_wgs84> 
+<long_wgs84></long_wgs84> 
 <tag_station></tag_station>
-<exact_station></exact_station>
 <other_station>1623.p105</other_station>
 <other_description></other_description>
-<bearings></bearings>
-<url></url>
+<bearings></bearings> <!-- this is now read-only and not editable on the forms-->
 </entrance>
 </body>
 </html>


View of location (entrance in centre of picture)	Entrance (1999)	Entrance (2005) — note tag and number on right-hand wall	View down entrance shaft