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@@ -47,10 +47,12 @@ browser (or a progressive web app) using a python interpreter running in
javascript. [yeah, expofiles would need some subset labelled as needing to
be forcibly downloaded, but the rest coming only on demand.] Some django
enthusiast must have done this already surely ? Ah yes, Brython.<br>
<a href="https://github.com/brython-dev/brython">github.com/brython-dev/brython</a><br>
<a href="https://www.brython.info/">www.brython.info</a>
<a href="https://github.com/brython-dev/brython">github.com/brython-dev/brython</a> &nbsp; &nbsp;
<a href="https://www.brython.info/">www.brython.info</a> and <br>
<a href="https://skulpt.org/gallery.html">Skulpt</a> (which has, since 2017, a full-blown
<a href="https://anvil.works/features">commerical system(</a>) built on top of it - by a CambridgeCL spinout)</br>
<p>
Which is fun, but not useful. And not just because it is immature. None of
Which is fun, but not useful. And not just because it may be immature. None of
this addresses <strong>our biggest problem: devising something that can be
maintained by fewer, less-expert people who can only devote short snippets
of time and not long-duration immersion</strong>.
@@ -106,7 +108,10 @@ not a function within the python codebase.
(We could retain an HTML templating engine though.)
<h3><em>Addendum</em></h3>
<h3><em>Addendum 1</em></h3>
<p>The above discussion is extremely ignorant in a couple of respects. Now (April 2021) we can properly appreciate that the part of Django that interacts with a database is actually a small part of the system. The http request/response engine is not easily replaced. And the 90 or so HTML templates do not just reformat the data given to them in python dictionaries: they directly query and traverse the database to produce tabular output. So if we 'took out' the database, most of our templates would fail utterly and need completely rewriting. It could be done, but the manpower requirement is not trivial.
<h3><em>Addendum 2</em></h3>
<p>There is a templating engine <a href="https://mozilla.github.io/nunjucks/">Nunjucks</a>
which is a port to JavaScript of the Django templating system we use
(via <a href="https://palletsprojects.com/p/jinja/">Jinja</a> - these are the same people who do Flask). This would be an obvious thing to use if we needed to go in that direction.

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<p>For earlier history see <a href="../website-history.html">Website history</a>.
<h4>May 2020 and django versions</h4>
<p>
Wookey has now moved 'expoweb' from mercurial to git largely "as-is" and will to use the git tools to patch up the history and to remove redundancies, rather than the original plan to tidy them up "at the time of conversion". Mark Shinwell is working with him on the loser (survex files) migration to git.
<p>In May we were on django 1.7 and python 2.7.17. Sam continued to work on upgrading django from v1.7 . We wanted to upgrade django as quickly as possible because old versions of django had unpatched security issues.
[Upgrading to later django versions is a real pig - not helped by the fact that all the tools to help do it are now out of date for these very old django releases.]
<ul>
<li>"Django 1.11 is the last version to support Python 2.7. Support for Django 1.11 ends in 2020." see: <a href="https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.0/faq/install/">django versions</a>. You will notice that we are really outstaying our welcome here, especially as python2.7 was <a href="https://python-release-cycle.glitch.me/">declared dead in January</a> this year.
<li>For a table displaying the various versions of django and support expiry dates
see <a href="https://www.djangoproject.com/download/">the django download</a> page.
Django 1.7 expired in December 2015.
Django: <a href="https://www.djangoproject.com/download/#supported-versions">full deprecation timeline</a>.
<li>Ubuntu 20.04 came out on 23rd April but it does not support python2 at all. So we cannot use it for software maintenance (well be can, but only using non-recommended software, which is what we are trying to get away from).
</ul>
<p>We planned to upgrade from django 1.7 to django 1.11, then port from python2 to python3 on
the same version of django, then upgrade to as recent a version of django as we could. But we have
discovered that django1.7 works just fine with <a href="https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.10/topics/python3/">python3</a>, so we will move the development version to python3 during June and
then upgrade the server operating system from Debian <var>stretch</var> to <var>buster</var> before
tackling the next step: thinking deeply about when we migrate from django
<a href="trogdesign.html">to something else</a>.
</p>
<p>
Enforced time at home is giving us a new impetus to writing and restructuring the documentation for everything.
<h4>June 2020</h4>
<p>Sam was a bit overworked in trying to get an entire university to work remotely so Philip [Sargent] got troggle on django 1.7 to work on python 3.5 and then 3.8. He then did the slog of migrating it through the django versions up to 1.11.29 - the last version before django 2.0 . 1.11.29 is an LTS (long term support) version of django. In doing this we had to retreat to python3.7 due to a django plugin incompatibility.
<p>Sam was a bit overworked in trying to get an entire university to work remotely during Covid lockdown so Philip [Sargent] started on the python2/3 conversion and got troggle on django 1.7 to work on python 3.5 and then 3.8. He then did the slog of migrating it through the django versions up to 1.11.29 - the last version before django 2.0 . 1.11.29 is an LTS (long term support) version of django. In doing this we had to retreat to python3.7 due to a django plugin incompatibility.
<p>
In the course of these migrations several unused or partly-used django plugins were dropped as they caused migration problems (notably staticfiles) and the plug-ins pillow, django-registration, six and sqlparse were brought up to recent versions. This was all done with pip in a python venv (virtual environment) on a Windows 10 machine running ubuntu 20.04 under WSL (Windows Systems for Linux) v1.
<p>Missing troggle functions were repaired and partly-implemented pages, such as the list of all cavers and their surveyed passages, were finished and made to work. The logbook parsing acquired a cacheing system to re-load pre-parsed files. The survex file parsing was completely rebuilt to reduce the excessive memory footprint. While doing so the parser was extended to cover nearly the full range of survex syntax and modified to parse, but not store, all the survey stations locations. A great many unused classes and some partly written code ideas were deleted.
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<h4>April 2021</h4>
<p>Lockdown has been good to troggle. During March and April Philip migrated troggle up to Django 2.2.19, excising the ancient and unused user registration system on the way. Django 2.2 LTS is a long-term stable relase which will be in-support by Django until April next year. Wookie discovered and ran the Django system testsuite on the Debian server thus enabling us to use a necessary obstensibly outdated link between Django and the database MariaDB. As of April 9th troggle is now running on software which is actually 'in date'.</p>
<p>Lockdown has been good to troggle. During March and April Philip migrated troggle up to Django 2.2.19, excising the ancient and unused user registration system on the way. Django 2.2 LTS is a long-term stable relase which will be in-support by Django until April next year. Wookie discovered and ran the Django system testsuite on the Debian server thus enabling us to use a necessary (but obstensibly outdated) link between Django and the database MariaDB. As of April 9th troggle is now running on software which is actually 'in date'.</p>
<p>We plan to stick with this configuration for a year.</p>
<p>Next April (2022) we may to the forthcoming debian stable release 11 <var>bullseye</var>. At that point debian will have python 3.8 as standard and we also hope to migrate to django 3.2 LTS which will be a year old by then and which will be <a href="https://www.djangoproject.com/download/#supported-versions">supported until April 2025</a>.
<p>Next April (2022) we may upgrade to the forthcoming debian stable release 11 <var>bullseye</var>. At that point debian will have python 3.8 as standard. We also hope to migrate to django 3.2 LTS which will be a year old by then and which will be <a href="https://www.djangoproject.com/download/#supported-versions">supported until April 2025</a>.
<p>With any luck that will be the last of our involvement with django migrations as we may not move on from using django 3.2 until we stop using django altogether, see <a href="trogspeculate.html">troggle architecture speculations</a>.
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