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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
+<html>
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8" />
+<title>Tag and painted number</title>
+<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/main2.css" />
+</head>
+
+<body>
+<H1>Tag and painted number</H1>
+<div class="centre"><img alt="" src="/1623/85/i/85-point-tag.jpg" />
+</div>
+
+<p>Circled: the tag (top left), survey point, painted-number (bottom right).
+Small amount of snow (at bottom of photo) in 2024
+  <p>Direction of view: SE (128&deg;Magnetic)<br /><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=47.68092222222222&mlon=13.810005555555556">47.680922 N, 013.810006 E</a><br />1713m above sea-level</br />2024:07:11 08:57:45 +00:00 UTC<br />
+
+2024:07:11 10:58:12 +02:00</p>
+
+
+<p class="caption">Photo &copy; Philip Sargent, 2024</p>
+
+
+<hr /></body>
+</html>
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--- a/cave_data/1623-85.html
+++ b/cave_data/1623-85.html
@@ -1,53 +1,39 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
-<!-- This file is generated by troggle on July 12, 2024, 9:45 p.m. UTC using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
+<!-- ALTERNATIVELY you can download an example template from expoweb/templates/cave_data.html -->
 <!-- Only put one cave in this file -->
 <!-- If you edit this 162x-nnn.html file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
 make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
 though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
-<!-- ALTERNATIVELY you can download an example template from expoweb/templates/cave_data.html -->
 <html lang="en">
 <head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
-<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> on July 12, 2024, 9:45 p.m. UTC using the form documented at
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> using the form documented at
 the form documented at 
 <a href="/handbook/survey/caveentry.html">handbook/survey/caveentry.html</a>
 <br>
 
 <cave>
-<non_public>False</non_public><!-- 'False' or 'True'. True if the cave should only be visible to logged-in users. Caves are normally public, so enter 'False' unless you know otherwise. -->
-<!--<caveslug></caveslug>--> <!-- Ignored. No longer required, we use the filename instead e.g. 1623-315 for 1623-315.html  -->
-<official_name>Schwa H&ouml;hle 85</official_name><!-- Name of the cave (normally in German)  Use &uuml; for u+Umlaut and &ouml; for o+umlaut eg H&ouml;hle for Hohle and Gl&uuml;ck for Gluck-->
-<area>1623</area><!-- e.g. "1623" -->
-<kataster_code>2/T/S +</kataster_code><!-- 'length-or-depth/type exploration'
-code used in the Austrian kataster e.g '1/S +' - https://expo/.survex.com/katast.htm
+<non_public>False</non_public>
 
-    T   Trockenh&ouml;hlen (Dry caves)
-    W   Wasserh&ouml;hlen (Caves with water)
-   (W)  Zeitweilig aktiv Wasserh&ouml;hlen (Caves with seasonal water)
-    E   Eishohlen (Caves with ice formations)
-    S   Schachth&ouml;hlen (Caves with pitches)
-    H   Halbh&ouml;hlen (Rock shelters ?)
-
-    -   unerforscht (unexplored)
-    =   befahren (visited)
-    ×   teilweise vermessen (partly surveyed)
-    +   erforscht (exploration considered complete)
- -->
-<kataster_number>85</kataster_number> <!-- (Either this or unofficial_number is required). Official number in Austrian kataster if one has been allocated  -->
-<unofficial_number></unofficial_number><!-- (This is any name. Either this or kataster_number is required). Initial temporary cave ID used until kataster number is allocated e.g. '2012-DD-01'-->
+<official_name>Schwa H&ouml;hle 85</official_name>
+<area>1623</area>
+<kataster_code>2/T/S +</kataster_code>
+<kataster_number>85</kataster_number> 
+<unofficial_number></unofficial_number>
 
 <entrance>
-  <entranceslug>1623-85</entranceslug><!-- Internal ID to refer to each entrance instance in the entrance files (typically the same as that filename (e.g. 1623-161c). Matches the 'slug' field in the entrance file -->
-  <letter></letter><!--Leave blank for single-entrance cave. If there is more than one entrance then the letter needs to be given. Must match the entranceslug ID.  -->
+  <entranceslug>1623-85</entranceslug>
+  <letter></letter>
 </entrance>
 
-<explorers>CUCC 1977 - Team Geriatric, Olly &amp; Jenny 2007, 2015</explorers><!-- 'CUCC Expo' and year(s) of exploration. To distinguish from caves explored by foreign groups. Individual names can be given too if it was a small cave. -->
-<survex_file></survex_file><!-- Name of top-level survey file for this cave. Relative to the 'loser' survex repository. So for most caves that's "caves-162x/cavenum/cavnum.svx". (e.g. caves-1623/204/204.svx -->
-<underground_description>Large descending entrance leads to a series of free climbs ending too tight at -25m. Horizontal passage leads to upper level in 82.</underground_description><!-- Underground description. (description of approach and entrance goes in entrance file). For a small cave this will be the entire description. For larger caves it will be the front page of the description, or a short intro, containing links to other pages with the cave description in, or even nothing but a link. -->
-<equipment></equipment><!-- For a small cave, summary of gear needed to descend. For longer caves it could be blank, a table, or just refer to the description/topos. Leave blank if this info is in the description. -->
-<references></references><!-- References to documentation. Could be Journal articles or Logbook entries. Can be links if the docs are online. -->
+<explorers>CUCC 1977 - Team Geriatric, Olly &amp; Jenny 2007, 2015</explorers>
+<survex_file></survex_file>
+<underground_description>Large descending entrance leads to a series of free climbs ending too tight at -25m. Horizontal passage leads to upper level in 82.</underground_description>
+<equipment></equipment>
+<references></references>
 <survey><a href="/1623/others/80-86.png"><img src="/1623/others/80-86.png"></a>
 
 <a href='/1623/85/l/1.html'><img width=40% src='/1623/85/i/1.jpg' /></a>
@@ -56,13 +42,13 @@ code used in the Austrian kataster e.g '1/S +' - https://expo/.survex.com/katast
 Grade 1 extended elevation in Cambridge Underground  expedition report
 <br>
 <a href='/1623/85/l/4.html'><img src='/1623/85/t/4.jpg' /></a>
-<a href='/1623/85/l/5.html'><img src='/1623/85/t/5.jpg' /></a></survey><!-- Drawn-up surveys. Scans of paper surveys or images/PDFs of electronic surveys. Should include HTML to display current plan and elevation, with links to larger versions (See section on URLs and files). Could list links to multiple years of survey, or even a separate survey page if it's complicated enough. -->
-<notes></notes><!-- Normally empty, but place for anything else that should be noted, such as info on cave maybe being a duplicate, or lost, and whether a kataster form has been sent to Austria for this cave -->
-<length></length><!-- Cave length. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet) -->
-<depth></depth><!--Cave depth. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet)  -->
+<a href='/1623/85/l/5.html'><img src='/1623/85/t/5.jpg' /></a></survey>
+<notes></notes>
+<length></length>
+<depth></depth>
 <extent></extent>
 
-<description_file></description_file><!-- Path of top-level description file for this cave, when a separate file is used. Otherwise blank. -->
+<description_file></description_file>
 </cave>
 </body>
 </html>
diff --git a/entrance_data/1623-85.html b/entrance_data/1623-85.html
index 8eb4f0b38..5dc27d7fe 100644
--- a/entrance_data/1623-85.html
+++ b/entrance_data/1623-85.html
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
 <!-- Only put one entrance in this file -->
-<!-- This file is generated by troggle on July 12, 2024, 9:45 p.m. UTC using the form documented at handbook/survey/ententry.html -->
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle  using the form documented at handbook/survey/ententry.html -->
 <!-- If you edit this file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
 make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
 though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
@@ -14,24 +14,24 @@ though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
-<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> on July 12, 2024, 9:45 p.m. UTC using the form documented at 
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b>  using the form documented at 
 <a href="/handbook/survey/ententry.html">handbook/survey/ententry.html</a>
 <br>
 <entrance>
 <non_public>False</non_public>
- <!-- <slug> ignored, not needed. Now using filename -->
- <!-- <slug> ignored, not needed. Now using filename -->
-<name></name>
+<slug>1623-85</slug> <!-- one entrance and one slug per entrance_data file -->
+<name>85</name>
 <entrance_description></entrance_description>
 <explorers></explorers>
 <location_description>Plateau, at southwest end of depression containing <a href="/1623/82/82.html">Br&auml;uningh&ouml;hle</a> (Kat.82)</location_description>
 <lastvisit></lastvisit>
 <approach></approach>
 <underground_description></underground_description>
-<photo></p><table class="imgtable"><tr> <td><a href="ent.jpg"><img src="ent_small.jpg" /></a></td> <td><a href="number.jpg"><img src="number_small.jpg" /></a></td> </tr><tr class="caption"> <td>Entrance area with Dave placing tag bolt</td> <td>Number just visible down the side of the snowplug</td> </tr></table><p>Photos &copy; Olly Betts 2005
+<photo></p><table class="imgtable"><tr> <td><a href="ent.jpg"><img src="ent_small.jpg" /></a></td> <td><a href="number.jpg"><img src="number_small.jpg" /></a></td> </tr><tr class="caption"> <td>Entrance area with Dave placing tag bolt, survey point in red triangle below and to the right</td> <td>Number just visible down the side of the snowplug, survey point in red triangle up to the left.</td> </tr></table><p>Photos &copy; Olly Betts 2005
 <hr>
-<a href='/1623/85/l/2.html'><img src='/1623/85/t/2.jpg' /></a>
-<a href='/1623/85/l/3.html'><img src='/1623/85/t/3.jpg' /></a></photo>
+<a href='/1623/85/l/85-point-tag.html'><img src='/1623/85/t/85-point-tag.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;
+<a href='/1623/85/l/2.html'><img src='/1623/85/t/2.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;
+<a href='/1623/85/l/3.html'><img src='/1623/85/t/3.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;</photo>
 <!-- marking options: P  = Paint,
                       P? = Paint (?),
                       T  = Tag,
@@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ Still very visible in 2024, as is the triangle survey station mark.</marking_com
 <long_wgs84></long_wgs84> 
 <tag_station></tag_station>
 <other_station>1623.p85</other_station>
-<other_description>red paint mark on east wall of doline (see photo)</other_description>
+<other_description>red paint mark on east wall of doline (see photos)</other_description>
 <bearings></bearings> <!-- this is now read-only and not editable on the forms-->
 </entrance>
 </body>


Entrance area with Dave placing tag bolt	Number just visible down the side of the snowplug