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Looks like a bit over half of log now typed. One trip typed again as it was out of order - Olly's typing looked more accurate than mine, so moved his into order and got rid of mine.
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-10c">2012-08-10</div>
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<div class="trippeople">OllyB, <u>Jenny</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">83 - Duncing in the dark</div>
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<div class="triptitle">83 - Dancing in the dark</div>
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<p>
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Went back to 83 planning to look at the bolt traverse over the 32m pitch, as this was likely to be a short trip and the last in 83, we didn't re-rig the entrance pitch and we set an 8pm call out.
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-11b">11-08-12</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Prospecting and walking to Appelhaus</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Olaf</u>, Wookey</div>
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<p>We had a trip booked in the Appelhaus area to visit some of our neighbouring cave systems. So first we had to contour hit across form Top camp. And as I didn't like the idea of walking back to the Stöger-Steig, I came up with a plan to go around northwards from Topcamp. We followed the path to Tunnocks for a start and then headed off into inknown territory north from there. We crossed some large bowl following a ridge on its western rim. After crossing some snowfields the ridge eventually ended and we got to a large depression with a hole in its northwestern corner (UTM 33T 0411876 528324). Appears to be a reltively deep shaft of approx 25m, but with little to no draught. Anyway, its a cave either on its own right and also its very close to March of the Penguins and Bullethöhle (exploration started [illegible]). We tried to look down the shaft, but some bolting and rope seem to be necessary to get anywhere.</p>
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<p>We therefore continued our tour and just a bit further to the north we found the next interesting hole (UTM 33T 0411904 5283600). This one appeared to be a bit of underground passage with a collapsed roof and lots of rubble on the floor. However, the passage appeared to continue towards the south and again hte lack of rope stopped us from getting there. Probably only about 5m climb/rope needed. We instead continued walking to the next col and then started heading down one valley further north, where the ski route is marked on some maps. This route took us awfully close to the BS16-BS19 entrances, and we probably also spotted a good bivy site which may have been used during the UBSS expedition. And of course we stmbed across another cave, which must have been described by UBSS somewhere. Entrance is at 33T 0412332 5283988. The entrance is a 2m diameter horizontal passage in the side of the cliffs and Wookey walked inside for a couple of minutes, across some shelf, turning right, and then turning around where the passage got smaller. Again a lack of draught, but quite a bit of cave anyway. Down in the valley we had to struggle a bit with what is not called Bunde, but it was easily possible to reach a real forest, Wildenseealm and eventually Appelhaus</p>
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<div class="timeug">T/U = 3 mins (Wook)</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-12b">12-08-12</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Hochdruckblasi (Woising)</div>
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<div class="trippeople">Uure Kalmback, <u>Olaf</u>, Wookey, Thomas Holder (ARGE), Ulid Aike</div>
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<p>We had to walk to some "Woising Camp" from Appelhaus, which took about 2 hours. Then we got changd and walked another 8 minutes to a little entrance shaft. Following a series of pitches (very steep passages mostly) we eventually reached a horizontal level at 1640m above sea level. We explored that for a while, then went to another pitch going down some more steep passages to the currnet pushing front of the cave. A strong wind was blowing up this, and probably another horizontal level can be reached with little effort. Given the informatsion from other caves in the area, this horizontal level is expected at 1550m, but as this was mostly a touristy trip, we soon turned around and left the cave. The exit, different from the entrance, was rather spectacular high up in the cliffs at the northern edge of the Totes Gebirge with an impressive view and a nice little via ferrata to get back to the Wising Camp and Appelhaus. Overall the system is a lot smaller than SMK, but appears to be very interesting and it probably has exactly the same development history.</p>
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 5½ hours</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-11c">2012-08-11</div>
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<div class="trippeople">OllyB, <u>Jenny</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">83 - Thunder Road, Under a Rock</div>
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Got into the roof tube, which is called <u>Thunder Road</u> due to the thunder we heard there on the 10th. I took off my SRT kit and wiggled along the passage which rapidly became more rift like. Olly wasn't keen to follow, so sat with the notebook while I shouted back numbers. The passage went for ~30m trending uphill. Near the end was a short section of walking passage followed by a low crawl. Then a drippy aven on the R and a pitch on the left. I surveyed back from here. I suspect it is near the surface.
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Derigged back to entrance chamber and began to survey out. Checked the bottom of the rift and it is, as you would expect chossy and connects with the p32. Then, about 1 survey leg up from the p32 passage Olly potted a low passage going off under a rock, names <u>Under a Rock</u>, passage gets to a pitch, which we could carefully traversed round. Next was a short section of lovely big phreas, heading up to a choke. There were a few bits of leaves and pine cones - presumably near another entrance. Right from the pitch went less far. Combined tactics got me up a short climb which led up to a choke, again with leaves. I thought i could smell outside.
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Derigged back to entrance chamber and began to survey out. Checked the bottom of the rift and it is, as you would expect chossy and connects with the p32. Then, about 1 survey leg up from the p32 passage Olly potted a low passage going off under a rock, named <u>Under a Rock</u>, passage gets to a pitch, which we could carefully traversed round. Next was a short section of lovely big phreas, heading up to a choke. There were a few bits of leaves and pine cones - presumably near another entrance. Right from the pitch went less far. Combined tactics got me up a short climb which led up to a choke, again with leaves. I thought I could smell outside.
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Surveyed back to entrance chamber, and left the cave.
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<div class="timeug">T/U: Jenny 7hrs, Olly 6:50</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-11c">2012-08-10</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-12c">2012-08-12</div>
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<div class="trippeople">OllyB, <u>Jenny</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">83 - Under a Rock, Down Under</div>
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Went back into Under a Rock and dropped the pitch. The bottom was a tall rift, up didn't go far, the way the water flows rapidly got too narrow. We followed the 3rd way on, up a short climb and down the other side (via a bolt). We scrambled further down and down some more to find ourselves back at the bottom of the p32. Olly was amused at where we were, I was annoyed. But at least our loop closure was good!
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Went back to entrance chamber to survey out. Olly spotted a hole thru' some rocks. It drafted so we pulled some rocks out. We couldn't easily make the gap big enough, so tried a meter or so higher up. I managed to get through, and amazingly got under and through a window into another passage underneath <u>Down Under</u>, removed more rocks so Olly could follow me through. Followed the passage past a squeeze and a climb down. Found ourselves above a reasonable sized passage ~5m above. Didn't look climbable down, but I could traverse over. Did this to another 6m drop into the same passage, but excitingly could see a snow plug. We wondered if this was 107. Surveyed out and up to the tag bolt.
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Scrambled in 107 on the way back and saw a similar looking snow plug. Down the hill the survey data confirms we connected! Not as impressive as The Connection, but we have made 107 ~9m deeper (by the CUCC way) and ~500m longer.
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<div class="timeug">TU: 7:40hrs Jenny, 7:30hrs Olly</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-15a">15/8/12</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>, Julian, Wookey + Olaf</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Schöbergsystem - Glitzerdom -> Conference excursion</div>
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<p>We assembled outside the Ischlerhutte where we slept the night + marched off at 8.30 sharp. Up the mars[?] track ~10min then on a decent path steeply up to a v.short cave (almost an arch) with snow + on up to the main entrance (55c) with a locked gate. We had 2 guides + 8 of us - 4 CUCC, 2 from Arge Grabbenstetten (Stefan + Ilya), one girl from the Appelhaus group + a guy from the Vienna group using carbide - a while since I've seen that. We abseiled down Glitzerdom -> Deikenkarrengang + got to the Wandgang, Halle des Müde Bruden + through Trepfsteingang, were shown Satan's Gang where the Raucherkarhöhle + Feuertalhöhle systems were connected in 2007, Gigantendom + then Langegang to SchachtbrückenHalle with dodgy polypro blue bridge then out again. All at a pleasant dawdly pace. Very jolly. Back to Ischlerhutte + down the boring track route to Blaa Alm (the Nagelstegweg is more direct + more scenic though v.steep)
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 6 hours</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u> + Julian</div><div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-14a">14/8/12</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Walk from Lower Bergrestaurant -> Ischler Hutte via the Schöberg</div>
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<p>This was Olaf's idea so I'd got all keen then he dropped out (having had a hard time walking to Appelhaus form Top Camp) so that left me to bully poor Julian into coming along. By the time we'd dropped off Julia at the teain station to head home to Norway + braved the Bad Aussee traffic jam a second time as we'd forgotten our toll booth pass it was 11 am before we set off. We split Julian's caving gear between us for the walk to Top Camp + had lunch + I packed my caving gear there then set off up Tunnocks to the saddle then followed the German's cairns - excellent route up slabs. From there we were on our own until we hit the 228 main path up the Schönberg which is ridiculously well marked in red + white. To get there we contoured round east side of the Große Grieskogel + E of the Große Wildkogel. By the time we hit the path Julian was feeling really ill so I shuttled the rucksacks one at a time up to the Schönberg + then at hte top I put all the heavy stuff in my bag + left Julian to go to the Ischlerhutte hoping Wookey + Olaf would be there to persuade to fetch Julian's. No such luck so I dumped my bag + left him lying groaning in hte path. Eventually he made it down, threw up + went to bed. Oh dear, seem to have broken him. We think he may have had heat stroke though we had plenty of water + it wasn't that hot. Anyway this is an <u>excellent</u> walk if you aren't carrying a full set of caving gear each + highly recommended as a pre-dinner route from Top Camp with stunning views from the Schönberg ridge. Guides were Harald <- Chief geek for Schönberg + Wig (for Ludwig, who's surveyed 47 km in Schönberg).
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-06b">2012-08-06</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Wook</u> + Holly (with Olaf + Rob)</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Climbs off Cat Flap</div>
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<p>This trip is recorded earlier, but some details of our bit are not covered, hence this addendum.</p>
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<p>Holly & Emma had got up to shelf off Fat Cat as part of the great 'find KH' exercise and needed someone to shin up a climb. Apparently bottom was loose & would probably need a bolt. Holly considered this a handy opportunity to watch how boltng up climbs is done. In fact, although the move off the ground was tricky, no bolts were needed & Wook shinned easily to near the top. It would have been trivial but for the pile of boulders perched on the edge which comprised all the holds. Attempting to use them might bring the lot crashing down so a couple of bolts were now put in to enable climbing gingerly past. There was passage at the top (!) a climb up to another pitch & a traverse. Holly came up & put in her first 2 drill bolts to make a nice rig, then we surveyed the new bit. Couldn't go further due to lack of rope, but 15m disto shot across traverse deserved a return. Hometime by now, Holly & Olaf exited whilst Wook showed Rob how to put in a bolt to remove Fat Cat rub. Sudden noise of water at 8:30 pm told us it had thunderstormed, and we duly got rather wet on Brians PS, and despite spending 1 hr 45 shifting rocks in the pleasure dome in the hope that levels would reduce, still got wet on 1st half & soaked on 2nd half of King Carbide. Yuk! Tried to wedge a rock in spout of lower half & nearly got stuck upside down in hole whilst last in cave. Out @ 12:30</p>
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 12 hrs</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-10d">2012-08-10</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Wookey</u>, Rob</div>
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<div class="triptitle">204/161 Connection traverse re-rigging + push
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<p>Went down to the connection to turn the 'exploratory' rigging into
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something suitable for mere mortals. Took drill + 3batteries + hand
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bolting kit & leftover nasty red ropes. Spent some hours re-doing the
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1st traverse to go higher along line of shelf. Rob did all the
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1st traverse to go higher along line of shelf. Rob did all the
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bolting & seemed to enjoy himself. Added 3 or 4 there, another on
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up-bit to remove rub & Y-hang the end. Only possible by replacing
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27m white rope with red as we went. Then put rope on climb and 2 more
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<p>Wandered along a bit and took a look down QM [fill in] which had a
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fine breeze at the top. Very silly sloping 'pitch'. Our 27m rope got
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us down past one traverse level to overlook more rift, but still at
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least 6m tothe flor & not shinnable. So surveyed out, teaching Rob
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least 6m to the floor & not shinnable. So surveyed out, teaching Rob
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distoX usage. Seemed to be no draught at the bottom, so the wind
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presumably comes from across the top somewhere. We called it soilathon.</p>
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down here, and taking about 5hrs to exit @5am. (It <u>is</u> quite a
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long way). Curry felt well-deserved.</p>
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<p>Traverse Rig<br/>FAR FROM SUPPORT - 2 TRAVERSES:
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[2 diagrams, annotated 'left rigged']
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<p>Traverse Rig<br/>FAR FROM SUPPORT - 2 TRAVERSES:</p>
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<p><img src="logbkimg8.png" /></p>
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<p>Rigging from Far from Support to March of the Ents</p>
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<p><img src=logbkimg9.png" /><img src=logbkimg10.png" /><img src=logbkimg11.png" /></p>
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<p>More rigging</p>
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<p><img src=logbkimg12.png" /><img src=logbkimg13.png" /></p>
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<p><img src=logbkimg14.png" /><img src=logbkimg15.png" /></p>
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LIST OF ROPES LEFT - Far From Support double traverse
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- Rivendale traverse
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- Mad Dogs pitch
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- Puss in Boots traverse (+ pitch at end of it)
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- Cat Flap Pitches (left rigged in 2009)
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-xx">2012-08-</div>
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<div class="trippeople">Duncan, <u>Andrew</u></div>
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 5hrs</div>
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<div class="triptitle">1319 Rock'n'Roll Höhle</div>
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<p>Over the pitch at the north end of the cave was an A lead. So for a more relaxing day, thought we would have a look and possibly add some length to the system if we could connect it on. Interesting start to the cave with a flat out crawl where every time you moved forward the rocks pushed you into the ceiling. Traverse first pit and got to end where Duncan traversed over and put in a hand-spit. Lead was so good it had already been scooped, but did our duty and surveyed it adding about 40m on to what had been scooped. Although it had not been scooped, nail varnish was found on wall, but looks like the data was lost.....</p>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-15b">2012-08-15</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Stu W</u>, Andrew, Mike TA</div>
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 12hrs?</div>
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<div class="triptitle">204a</div>
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<p>Cave pre-rigged. Descended entrance, Kng Carbide, Brian's Phat Shaft uneventfully and proceeded to Dog Days near top of Fat Cat to examine possible leads and survey with distoX + PDA. Dog Days contains many steep, unstable sandy slopes and a boulder choke with some unstable parts. A quick search of the boulder choke revealed no worthwhile leads - StuW found a narrow rift and what was thought to be a pitch but turned out to be the chamber flor. Andrew found an area with scary unstable boulders. The area was then surveyed, as was another area at the other end of the chamber which contained ground that turned white when walked on. StuW operated the disto but sometimes had trouble with shaking arms. Disto ran out of power half way through and was recalibrated by Andrew. A section of cave was surveyed yielding some leads. Cave was then exited with Andrew rebolting a Y hang on the traverse before Dog Days (Fat Cat?) and Stuw finding some slack and moving it along to make the Y hang descendable. StuW got exhausted during hte exit and became slow at prussiking, (due to equipment config and strength) leaving Andrew to take cover in the bothy bag below Fat Cat. StuW's route finding was bad - cave exited by Andrew followed by StuW (somewhat later) at araound 10 pm. Mike TA took photos then exited prior to Fat Cat traverse.</p>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-17a">2012-08-17</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Hirlatzhehle Excursion</div>
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<div class="trippeople">Olaf, Becka + Julian</div>
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<p>A team of 10 led by Gottfried met at 8.15. It's a 40 min steep slog up from the carpark at the Simony Denkmal above Hallstatt to the entrance on a small footpath next to a fresh landslide then up a 4m ladder into the gated entrance with a <u>gale</u> coming out of it. Gottfried said it was even tronger in the winter - the whole cave drafted more than any I've known I think. The first section to the Zul??nger is common to all trips - there are 5 entrances to the Hirlatz system but the others have sumps or are difficult to access. Q. slow going with a large group up lots of aluminium ladders + then down until a final ladder to a major junction where wenwent left to the Alter Teil whilst the main W and E sections of the system are off to the right. Left soon brought us to a stream rift + a traverse left then up more ladders + past 2 campsites to Bachschwinde where a few of us traversed along the final narrow Streamway until it got crawly. Met the 2 other groups as we returned and then 3 of us headed towards Nordriften which was fun rifty streamway. Mark took some shots of the traverse + I wasn't allowed to go on further excursions as Mark had had enough so out to the sunshine. Our trips were the first in there since February, amazing. A fine trip - several kilometres of huge borehole.</p>
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<div class="triptitle">Looking for BS17 (Organhöhle)</div>
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<div class="trippeople">Duncan & <u>Anthony</u></div>
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<p>Went for a stroll over the back of the Hohes AugstEck ridge in search of Organhöhle, the cave found by UBSS in 1989/90. We didn't find it, though it looks as though Wookey & Olaf found something that cosely matches the description on the following day. We spent a while looking around where the GPS says BS17 should be, until Duncan noticed that the UBSS map placed BS17 almost due east of the summit of the Hohes AugstEck, which was significantly further south - so we tried our luck in that area. The cave that Wookey and Olaf found is actually much closaer to the GPS point.</p>
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<p>Although we didn't find BS17, we did find several entrances, all of which have been documented on the expo computer. The most interesting of these are:</p>
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<dd>Horizontal entrance that quickly leads to a short pitch. Carries a draught, and well worth a return visit. This is close to hte GPS point for BS16 but does not match the description in the UBSS report.</dd>
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<dt>2012-dd-06:</dt>
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<dd>Another horizontal entrance leading to shrt pitch. This cave contains evidence of previous exploration: we found an old zoom flatpack and an empty packet of "Big D" brand peanuts with a 1988 sell-by date, which is after the LUSS expeditions but before the UBSS expeditions. However, since the cavea is much closer to the UBSS area, we suspect that UBSS are more likely to have explored it, usng out-of-date peanuts for sustenance. There is no sign of any painted number and hte cave does not seem to match any of the descriptions of UBSS or LUSS finds.</dd>
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<dd>A well hidden hole that looks like a rock shelter until you are standing right next to it. A low, wide phreatic passage lead downhill along the edding to a choke. The modest draught appears to go up a climbable aven a short way back. Close to 2012-dd-06.</dd>
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<dd>Large entrance a little higher up and south of the other entrance, allways on are choked but there is a hole that looks diggable that carries a draught.</dd>
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<p>All these caves are at a similar altitude to each other and (most likely) Organhöhle, so there appears to be something interesting ging on here - well worth a return.</p>
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Went back into Under a Rock and dropped the pitch. The bottom was a tall rift, up didn't go far, the way the water flows rapidly got too narrow. We followed the 3rd way on, up a short climb and down the other side (via a bolt). We scrambled further down and down some more to find ourselves back at the bottom of the p32. Olly was amused at where we were, I was annoyed. But at least our loop closure was good!
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Went back to entrance chamber to survey out. Olly spotted a hole thru' some rocks. It drafted so we pulled some rocks out. We couldn't easily make the gap big enough, so tried a meter or so higher up. I managed to get through, and amazingly got under and through a window into another passage underneath <u>Down Under</u>, removed more rocks so Olly could follow me through. Followed the passage past a squeeze and a climb down. Found ourselves above a reasonable sized passage ~5m above. Didn't look climbable down, but I could traverse over. Did this to another 6m drop into the same passage, but excitingly could see a snow plug. We wondered if this was 107. Surveyed out and up to the tag bolt.
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Scrambled in 107 on the way back and saw a similar looking snow plug. Down the hill the survey data confirms we connected! Not as impressive as The Connection, but we have made 107 ~9m deeper (by the CUCC way) and ~500m longer.
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<div class="timeug">TU: 7:40hrs Jenny, 7:30hrs Olly</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2012-08-15d">2012-08-15</div>
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<div class="trippeople">OllyB, <u>Jenny</u></div>
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@ -562,7 +688,7 @@ Walked/bridged along the rift passage until we hit a boulder choke. I hypothesis
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<div class="trippeople">OllyB, <u>Jenny</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">107 entrance</div>
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Got up late after yesterdays trip, but needed an early ngiht ready for goign to Eishohle the next day, so planned a short trip into 107. Olly placed a bolt backup and then a hang bolt - managed to get a free hang just. Didn't spot the 1978 spit until a later trip - it is a bit higher than ours, but woudl rub. Entrance shaft bells out, and has several possible leads high up. Landed near the snow plug we could see from 83 (Down Under).
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Got up late after yesterdays trip, but needed an early ngiht ready for going to Eishohle the next day, so planned a short trip into 107. Olly placed a bolt backup and then a hang bolt - managed to get a free hang just. Didn't spot the 1978 spit until a later trip - it is a bit higher than ours, but would rub. Entrance shaft bells out, and has several possible leads high up. Landed near the snow plug we could see from 83 (Down Under).
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Had an explore, realised the 1978 survey has the wrong angle for the side passages, and that the projected elevation has the plan lengths and vica versa. Area is a little more complex with various tubes going off - all the ones we looked at either ended or connected with the pitch below. We planned to survey but got cold as it was really drafty.
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