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Sorry about all the crap that surrounds the image tags which has been imported along with the content Sorry about all the crap that surrounds the image tags which has been imported along with the content
when UK Caving blogs have been parsed. when UK Caving blogs have been parsed.
Exported on 2024-07-24 16:07 using either the control panel webpage or when editing a logbook entry online Exported on 2024-07-24 17:07 using either the control panel webpage or when editing a logbook entry online
See troggle/code/views/other.py and core.models/logbooks.py writelogbook(year, filename) See troggle/code/views/other.py and core.models/logbooks.py writelogbook(year, filename)
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@ -157,8 +157,7 @@ The first expoers arrived at Bad Aussee and we started setting up base camp. The
<div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">plateau - water collection</div> <div class="triptitle">plateau - water collection</div>
<br /><br />12 people went to top camp. <br /><br />12 people went to top camp.
We hauled most stuff out of the storage cave (had to rig some out of the snow) We hauled most stuff out of the storage cave (had to rig some out of the snow) and set up one water collection tarp.
and set up one water collection tarp.
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<div class="editentry"><br /><a href="/logbookedit/2023-07-02a">Edit this entry</a><br /></div> <div class="editentry"><br /><a href="/logbookedit/2023-07-02a">Edit this entry</a><br /></div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-03a">2023-07-03</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-03a">2023-07-03</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,,Martin Green,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,Martin Green,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">basecamp - nerding</div> <div class="triptitle">basecamp - nerding</div>
Philip arrived by train at lunchtime. Joined Martin for Philip arrived by train at lunchtime. Joined Martin for
serious nerding to get WiFi internet working in potato hut. serious nerding to get WiFi internet working in potato hut.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-03b">2023-07-03</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-03b">2023-07-03</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,,Will Kay,Mike Butcher,Radost Waszkiewicz,Jana Podbelsek,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,Jana Podbelsek,Will Kay,Mike Butcher,,Radost Waszkiewicz,</div>
<div class="triptitle">plateau - second water collection tarp</div> <div class="triptitle">plateau - second water collection tarp</div>
<br /><br />Me, Radost, Mike, Jana and Will went to top camp to set up <br /><br />Me, Radost, Mike, Jana and Will went to top camp to set up
main tarp and the second water collection tarp (which was a success). main tarp and the second water collection tarp (which was a success).
@ -210,7 +209,7 @@ main tarp and the second water collection tarp (which was a success).
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-03c">2023-07-03</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-03c">2023-07-03</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Harry Kettle</u>,,Emma Caspers,Christian Kuhlmann,Charlotte Payne,Janis Huns,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Harry Kettle</u>,Janis Huns,Emma Caspers,Christian Kuhlmann,,Charlotte Payne,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Balkon - Rescuing Balcony ropes</div> <div class="triptitle">Balkon - Rescuing Balcony ropes</div>
<br /><br />A crack team of expo's hardest cavers was assembled to take a rope out of balcony that was left there last year. <br /><br />A crack team of expo's hardest cavers was assembled to take a rope out of balcony that was left there last year.
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@ -226,7 +225,7 @@ at about 5pm. Charlotte and Harry were both very grumpy walking back with very h
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-03d">2023-07-03</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-03d">2023-07-03</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Amelia Oliver</u>,,Emily Mabbett,Jonty Pine,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Amelia Oliver</u>,Emily Mabbett,,Jonty Pine,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Digging the snow out of Fishface entrance</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Digging the snow out of Fishface entrance</div>
<br /><br />After a carrying day on the 2nd, we suspected ff would be snowed in. A faff morning of acquiring shovel. We got to ff with shovels, discovering it <br /><br />After a carrying day on the 2nd, we suspected ff would be snowed in. A faff morning of acquiring shovel. We got to ff with shovels, discovering it
did need digging. Jonty got particularly into this, producing quit the snow trench. did need digging. Jonty got particularly into this, producing quit the snow trench.
@ -272,7 +271,7 @@ non-working internal wifi on netbook causing config problems even though it was
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-04b">2023-07-04</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-04b">2023-07-04</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Wassil Janssen</u>,,Sarah Parker,Amelia Oliver,Ashley Gregg,Merryn Matthews,Philip Balister,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Wassil Janssen</u>,Amelia Oliver,Sarah Parker,Philip Balister,Merryn Matthews,,Ashley Gregg,</div>
<div class="triptitle">topcamp - Carry and set-up</div> <div class="triptitle">topcamp - Carry and set-up</div>
<br /><br /> <br /><br />
Ash, Merryn, Amelia in [com?] Philip B., Sarah and me Ash, Merryn, Amelia in [com?] Philip B., Sarah and me
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-04c">2023-07-04</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-04c">2023-07-04</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Harry Kettle</u>,,Will Kay,Alice Kirby,Charlotte Payne,Christian Kuhlmann,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Harry Kettle</u>,Christian Kuhlmann,Will Kay,Alice Kirby,,Charlotte Payne,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Surface - Rope carry to Homecoming + Trial walk from Garlic Cave to Car Park on painted track</div> <div class="triptitle">Surface - Rope carry to Homecoming + Trial walk from Garlic Cave to Car Park on painted track</div>
<br /><br />After more faff from Chi, we set off about 10AM to carry gear and check out the route to Homecoming. Fishface to Homecoming was well cairned and fairly straightforward to follow. <br /><br />After more faff from Chi, we set off about 10AM to carry gear and check out the route to Homecoming. Fishface to Homecoming was well cairned and fairly straightforward to follow.
<br /><br />Gear ledt at Homecoming entrance: <br /><br />Gear ledt at Homecoming entrance:
@ -326,7 +325,7 @@ Nice write up [re Honorata's 3-day update]. The rope there now is stuff we bough
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-05a">2023-07-05</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-05a">2023-07-05</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Sarah Parker</u>,,Maddie Kirby,Lizzie Caisley,Philip Balister,Joel Stobbart,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Sarah Parker</u>,Joel Stobbart,Maddie Kirby,Lizzie Caisley,,Philip Balister,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Surface - Reflecting the Homecoming -> Fishface route, scoping out a Homecoming to col route</div> <div class="triptitle">Surface - Reflecting the Homecoming -> Fishface route, scoping out a Homecoming to col route</div>
<br /><br />Joel, Lizzie and Philip fettled the tarp (where some water had pooled overnight) whilst I had a go at attaching the big Daren drum (filled with the <br /><br />Joel, Lizzie and Philip fettled the tarp (where some water had pooled overnight) whilst I had a go at attaching the big Daren drum (filled with the
solar panels and cables) to my rucksack, ready to carry from top camp to Garlic Cave. solar panels and cables) to my rucksack, ready to carry from top camp to Garlic Cave.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06a">2023-07-06</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06a">2023-07-06</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Janis Huns</u>,,Maddie Kirby,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Janis Huns</u>,Maddie Kirby,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Plateau - scoping out a route from col to Garlic Cave</div> <div class="triptitle">Plateau - scoping out a route from col to Garlic Cave</div>
<br /><br />We set out to improve the direct route from the start of the plateau to Homecoming. The way down the wall after the second pole was suprisingly nice. This was followed by an easy flat section until the bunde and tiny cliffs obscured all the alternative paths we tried. Most of the way was already cairned, but we did find some nice fresh transitions through the bunde walls separating the easy-to-walk-on slabs. At Homecoming, we met Harry, Christian, Alice, Merryn getting ready to rig the cave. Then we visited Garlic cave - a massive above ground hole that leads to a bridge below which are the entrances to the cave itself. There was loads of snow - just as in every entrance - but there was a nice campable bit , plenty of water dripping. I sensed some garlic smell, remembering the story that this smell gave the name of the cave, but was still mysterious. Then Maddie realised we were surrounded by chives! Mystery solved. <br /><br />We set out to improve the direct route from the start of the plateau to Homecoming. The way down the wall after the second pole was suprisingly nice. This was followed by an easy flat section until the bunde and tiny cliffs obscured all the alternative paths we tried. Most of the way was already cairned, but we did find some nice fresh transitions through the bunde walls separating the easy-to-walk-on slabs. At Homecoming, we met Harry, Christian, Alice, Merryn getting ready to rig the cave. Then we visited Garlic cave - a massive above ground hole that leads to a bridge below which are the entrances to the cave itself. There was loads of snow - just as in every entrance - but there was a nice campable bit , plenty of water dripping. I sensed some garlic smell, remembering the story that this smell gave the name of the cave, but was still mysterious. Then Maddie realised we were surrounded by chives! Mystery solved.
<br /><br />On the way back we met Jono, Evelyn, and Oakem who were on the way to Garlic. At Homecoming, Honorata and Radost told us they had found 3 intriguing holes while prospecting. We found a baloon with a sweet note on it and read it to them. <br /><br />On the way back we met Jono, Evelyn, and Oakem who were on the way to Garlic. At Homecoming, Honorata and Radost told us they had found 3 intriguing holes while prospecting. We found a baloon with a sweet note on it and read it to them.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06b">2023-07-06</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06b">2023-07-06</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joel Stobbart</u>,,Buck Blake,Jonty Pine,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joel Stobbart</u>,Buck Blake,,Jonty Pine,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Rigging and pitch-measuring trip</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Rigging and pitch-measuring trip</div>
<br /><br />An ambitious day which slowly went increasingly wrong. The group departed base camp at a stunning 8.20AM, blitzed up the plateau and promtly became mired in several hours of faff which soon descended into more festering. The plan had been to rig the entrance series of Fishface down to the bottom of Blitzen Boulevard (4th pitch), from where we expected everything to be left rigged. However, confusion about rope lengths and metalwork and some impressively long grike trips meant that the two shallow pushing groups planning to explore from Blitzen and Liquid Luck caught us up at Top Camp. Uncle Mike was not amused. We swiftly bombed down to FF in 25 mins and started rigging. Joel was left to do everything as Jonty's light 'broke'. <br /><br />An ambitious day which slowly went increasingly wrong. The group departed base camp at a stunning 8.20AM, blitzed up the plateau and promtly became mired in several hours of faff which soon descended into more festering. The plan had been to rig the entrance series of Fishface down to the bottom of Blitzen Boulevard (4th pitch), from where we expected everything to be left rigged. However, confusion about rope lengths and metalwork and some impressively long grike trips meant that the two shallow pushing groups planning to explore from Blitzen and Liquid Luck caught us up at Top Camp. Uncle Mike was not amused. We swiftly bombed down to FF in 25 mins and started rigging. Joel was left to do everything as Jonty's light 'broke'.
<br /><br />The entrance pitch/spiral traverse thing was completed on a 40m rope. Tasteful noods (2nd pitch) didn't quite go on a 27m due to rerigging around the top rebelay to avoid rub, so Joel initially reached the bottom on a knot pass and Jonty rerigged to the bottom on a 32m. The traverse at the bottom of Tasteful Noods (2A) and pitch 3 both had rope left from last year but not rigged - some of the knots didn't line up and required rerigging but the lengths were fine. Pendulum pitch needs some more bolts at the bottom, possibly as a traverse, to make getting on and off the pitch less deathy. Uncle Mike rigged Blitzen for us as we got too scared, he insisted the step over the huge rift with no traverse was fine, so we left him to it. There may or may not be a bolt there now <br /><br />The entrance pitch/spiral traverse thing was completed on a 40m rope. Tasteful noods (2nd pitch) didn't quite go on a 27m due to rerigging around the top rebelay to avoid rub, so Joel initially reached the bottom on a knot pass and Jonty rerigged to the bottom on a 32m. The traverse at the bottom of Tasteful Noods (2A) and pitch 3 both had rope left from last year but not rigged - some of the knots didn't line up and required rerigging but the lengths were fine. Pendulum pitch needs some more bolts at the bottom, possibly as a traverse, to make getting on and off the pitch less deathy. Uncle Mike rigged Blitzen for us as we got too scared, he insisted the step over the huge rift with no traverse was fine, so we left him to it. There may or may not be a bolt there now
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06c">2023-07-06</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06c">2023-07-06</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Emily Mabbett</u>,,Emma Caspers,Charlotte Payne,Lizzie Caisley,Mike Butcher,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Emily Mabbett</u>,Mike Butcher,Emma Caspers,Charlotte Payne,,Lizzie Caisley,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Surveying around Benign Bubble Baby Bypass</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Surveying around Benign Bubble Baby Bypass</div>
<br /><br />After hiking up to plateau to arrive for midday, we discovered the advanced rigging party still above ground... In order to leave them time to start rigging the first 4 pitches of Fishface, an ungodly amount of faff began. We finally arrived at the cave at 3pm, thinking we'd left plenty of time for the riggers, we quickly changed and headed underground. Alas, our hopes were crushed as we came to the bottom of the first pitch to discover the other pushing party sat freezing their tits off at the top of the second pitch as the riggers rigged just below them. Needless to say, it took some time to descent to the bottom of Blitzen Boulevard with Mike taking over the rigging of the 4th pitch after a debate over placing another bolt at the pitch head. Once arrived at Benign Bubble Baby Bypass, we conducted a quick something time to refresh our surveying technique before splitting into 2 groups. Me and Mike went ahead through the tube leading on through the bottom of the climb heading towards the liquid luck ptch head to bolt the small pitch at the end of the traverse whilst the others began surveying from said turn off. As me and Mike arrived at the pitch head, I asked if I could begin my bolting lesson before a big scary hole. I was refused. Instead I was told to tie the rope around a small head sized bolder wedged in the rift, which were currently both stood on. I thought this was a silly idea but obliged. The actual bolting of the pitch went well (I think?), however comments about placing bolts higher were made which was somewhat impossible given my height. The final bolting and rigging became passable so I decended the large (4m...) hole. <br /><br />After hiking up to plateau to arrive for midday, we discovered the advanced rigging party still above ground... In order to leave them time to start rigging the first 4 pitches of Fishface, an ungodly amount of faff began. We finally arrived at the cave at 3pm, thinking we'd left plenty of time for the riggers, we quickly changed and headed underground. Alas, our hopes were crushed as we came to the bottom of the first pitch to discover the other pushing party sat freezing their tits off at the top of the second pitch as the riggers rigged just below them. Needless to say, it took some time to descent to the bottom of Blitzen Boulevard with Mike taking over the rigging of the 4th pitch after a debate over placing another bolt at the pitch head. Once arrived at Benign Bubble Baby Bypass, we conducted a quick something time to refresh our surveying technique before splitting into 2 groups. Me and Mike went ahead through the tube leading on through the bottom of the climb heading towards the liquid luck ptch head to bolt the small pitch at the end of the traverse whilst the others began surveying from said turn off. As me and Mike arrived at the pitch head, I asked if I could begin my bolting lesson before a big scary hole. I was refused. Instead I was told to tie the rope around a small head sized bolder wedged in the rift, which were currently both stood on. I thought this was a silly idea but obliged. The actual bolting of the pitch went well (I think?), however comments about placing bolts higher were made which was somewhat impossible given my height. The final bolting and rigging became passable so I decended the large (4m...) hole.
<br /><br />As we finished bolting, the survey team emerged behind us. At the bottom of the pitch, 3 leads emerged, a large passage with a traverse sloping down in front of us, a small drafty tube to the right, and a hole heading into the ceiling behind us. With the rigging team and pushing team 2 in the near vicintity of the cave around us, me and Mike were a bit naughty and scooped the large passage in front of us, as we reached the end, we could hear voices in the rift above us, thinking it was the other pushing team we called up. It was not. It was Buck from the rigging team stood near the base of Blitzen Boulevard essentially where we started. Discovering we'd done a large circle , we returned to the base of the pitch where the survey team were. As we arrived, Zac from the team 2 appeared in the hole above us, they had also done an circle. <br /><br />As we finished bolting, the survey team emerged behind us. At the bottom of the pitch, 3 leads emerged, a large passage with a traverse sloping down in front of us, a small drafty tube to the right, and a hole heading into the ceiling behind us. With the rigging team and pushing team 2 in the near vicintity of the cave around us, me and Mike were a bit naughty and scooped the large passage in front of us, as we reached the end, we could hear voices in the rift above us, thinking it was the other pushing team we called up. It was not. It was Buck from the rigging team stood near the base of Blitzen Boulevard essentially where we started. Discovering we'd done a large circle , we returned to the base of the pitch where the survey team were. As we arrived, Zac from the team 2 appeared in the hole above us, they had also done an circle.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06d">2023-07-06</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06d">2023-07-06</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,,Radost Waszkiewicz,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,Radost Waszkiewicz,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Prospecting</div> <div class="triptitle">Prospecting</div>
<br /><br />We prospected between Fischgesicht and Heimkehr entrances. We found 5 caves, which I will refer to here using the temporary number and names entered in expo.survex.com. Small drain (2023-hbrw-01) and medium drain (2023-hbrw-02) were surveyed completely and they both strecth for about 20-30m, a small stream passing through each of them. <br /><br />We prospected between Fischgesicht and Heimkehr entrances. We found 5 caves, which I will refer to here using the temporary number and names entered in expo.survex.com. Small drain (2023-hbrw-01) and medium drain (2023-hbrw-02) were surveyed completely and they both strecth for about 20-30m, a small stream passing through each of them.
<br /><br />We also found 3 new caves which seem to continue but we couldn't survey them since they all begin with large pitches: <br /><br />We also found 3 new caves which seem to continue but we couldn't survey them since they all begin with large pitches:
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06e">2023-07-06</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-06e">2023-07-06</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Zac Woodford</u>,,Amelia Oliver,Ashley Gregg,Emma Caspers,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Zac Woodford</u>,Amelia Oliver,Ashley Gregg,,Emma Caspers,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Surveying the top of liquid luck</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Surveying the top of liquid luck</div>
<br /><br />Gave the rigging team ~3hr headstart but we still caught up with them at the bottom of first pitch. Emma and Zac then sat around while Ash and Mealy calibrated the disto. We were waiting so long that Uncle Mike's surveying group caught up. We waited in a a bothy for them to pass us before slowly, one-by-one, following on. We then caught up with them again at the top of Blitzen pitch and had to bothy again (after Mealy led us on too low in the rift). <br /><br />Gave the rigging team ~3hr headstart but we still caught up with them at the bottom of first pitch. Emma and Zac then sat around while Ash and Mealy calibrated the disto. We were waiting so long that Uncle Mike's surveying group caught up. We waited in a a bothy for them to pass us before slowly, one-by-one, following on. We then caught up with them again at the top of Blitzen pitch and had to bothy again (after Mealy led us on too low in the rift).
<br /><br />At the beginning of BBBB (Benign Babble Baby Bypass) we talked with Mike's group pushing the other lead and descending some small pitches to push ours. We faffed around a while trying to find it, but when we did, we found it just looped back around to Mike's group's lead. We surveyed it anyway. <br /><br />At the beginning of BBBB (Benign Babble Baby Bypass) we talked with Mike's group pushing the other lead and descending some small pitches to push ours. We faffed around a while trying to find it, but when we did, we found it just looped back around to Mike's group's lead. We surveyed it anyway.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07a">2023-07-07</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07a">2023-07-07</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Christian Kuhlmann</u>,,Wassil Janssen,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Christian Kuhlmann</u>,Wassil Janssen,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Foray into the Second Coming</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Foray into the Second Coming</div>
Ropes used: Ropes used:
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07b">2023-07-07</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07b">2023-07-07</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,,Nadia Raeburn,Jonty Pine,Janis Huns,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,Nadia Raeburn,Jonty Pine,,Janis Huns,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Garlic - Hiking to Garlic Cave</div> <div class="triptitle">Garlic - Hiking to Garlic Cave</div>
<br /><br />Jonty's car: Jonty/Nads/Janis up to Garlic and return this evening. Taking new reflectors made this morning. <br /><br />Jonty's car: Jonty/Nads/Janis up to Garlic and return this evening. Taking new reflectors made this morning.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07c">2023-07-07</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07c">2023-07-07</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,,Mike Butcher,Radost Waszkiewicz,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,Mike Butcher,,Radost Waszkiewicz,</div>
<div class="triptitle">1623-290 - pushing deep Fishgesicht</div> <div class="triptitle">1623-290 - pushing deep Fishgesicht</div>
<br /><br />We pushed 60m at the top of "Clap My Pitch Up". Pushing required bolting ~20m of a traverse (<u> Mike adds: 20m ish of the traverse was new passage surveyed this year but there was about 30m of traverse bolted this year which was naughtily pushed by me - Mike - and Luke last year in the Red Light Spells Danger trip so the traverse is about 50ish m long</u>). The final few metres of the traverse go above a sizeable pitch (30m?). We names the bolted traverse, "European Federalists". At the end of the traverse, we continued walking for another ~40m until arriving at the top of a massive pitch - further pushing would require bolting. The distance from where we were standing to the furthest point down the pitch measured with the disto was ~40m. We kicked rocks down the pitch and the sound continued for 10s, giving rise to a presumption that the pitch may be very deep. If it connects to "Clap My Pitch Up", it's at least 100m deep. IMPORTANT: the traverse passage and the walkable continuation are muddy and slippery; posing a hazard of falling down the pitch. Ash, Jonty, Mealy and Janis want to push the lead further on Saturday 8th July. <br /><br />We pushed 60m at the top of "Clap My Pitch Up". Pushing required bolting ~20m of a traverse (<u> Mike adds: 20m ish of the traverse was new passage surveyed this year but there was about 30m of traverse bolted this year which was naughtily pushed by me - Mike - and Luke last year in the Red Light Spells Danger trip so the traverse is about 50ish m long</u>). The final few metres of the traverse go above a sizeable pitch (30m?). We names the bolted traverse, "European Federalists". At the end of the traverse, we continued walking for another ~40m until arriving at the top of a massive pitch - further pushing would require bolting. The distance from where we were standing to the furthest point down the pitch measured with the disto was ~40m. We kicked rocks down the pitch and the sound continued for 10s, giving rise to a presumption that the pitch may be very deep. If it connects to "Clap My Pitch Up", it's at least 100m deep. IMPORTANT: the traverse passage and the walkable continuation are muddy and slippery; posing a hazard of falling down the pitch. Ash, Jonty, Mealy and Janis want to push the lead further on Saturday 8th July.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07d">2023-07-07</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07d">2023-07-07</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Emily Mabbett</u>,,Harry Kettle,Charlotte Payne,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Emily Mabbett</u>,Harry Kettle,,Charlotte Payne,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Rigging towards Watershed in Homecoming</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Rigging towards Watershed in Homecoming</div>
<br /><br />We wandered down to the cave around 10am, making it to the entrance around 12pm. The entrance series went pretty fast ... at least it did for me as Harry and Charlotte were carrying the heavy bags. On the way we made a quick stop to rerig a knot pass. As we reached the bottom of Wallace and Grommit where they had finished rigging the previous day both me and Harry experienced fizzling as we glazed the dry rope on the final 55m. I did not enjoy this part. We then made our way up the climb and Harry began rigging the small pitches before the long pitch series. The most notable part of this was when Harry appeared the wrong side of a pitch head after following the description and getting lost. It was highly amusing. As Charlotte began rigging the final pitch series me and Harry huddled in a shelter and watched Mathilda the musical. As it came to replacing a bolt Harry left to go help Charlotte and I was left along ... until it was discovered the drill battery was dead and I had to come down with a back up. As 8pm approached we made our way out leaving rope to finish the final part of rigging. On the way out we made a noodle stop at the top of Wallace and Grommit but with no fork a knife had to suffice. The walk back was miserable as we started following new reflectors towards the col and had to turn around and start again. We finally made it back to top camp at 1 am. <br /><br />We wandered down to the cave around 10am, making it to the entrance around 12pm. The entrance series went pretty fast ... at least it did for me as Harry and Charlotte were carrying the heavy bags. On the way we made a quick stop to rerig a knot pass. As we reached the bottom of Wallace and Grommit where they had finished rigging the previous day both me and Harry experienced fizzling as we glazed the dry rope on the final 55m. I did not enjoy this part. We then made our way up the climb and Harry began rigging the small pitches before the long pitch series. The most notable part of this was when Harry appeared the wrong side of a pitch head after following the description and getting lost. It was highly amusing. As Charlotte began rigging the final pitch series me and Harry huddled in a shelter and watched Mathilda the musical. As it came to replacing a bolt Harry left to go help Charlotte and I was left along ... until it was discovered the drill battery was dead and I had to come down with a back up. As 8pm approached we made our way out leaving rope to finish the final part of rigging. On the way out we made a noodle stop at the top of Wallace and Grommit but with no fork a knife had to suffice. The walk back was miserable as we started following new reflectors towards the col and had to turn around and start again. We finally made it back to top camp at 1 am.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07e">2023-07-07</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-07e">2023-07-07</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Will Kay,Alice Kirby,Amelia Oliver,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Will Kay,Alice Kirby,,Amelia Oliver,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface – Surveying Stalagtite Loop to the top of Liquid Luck</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface – Surveying Stalagtite Loop to the top of Liquid Luck</div>
<br /><br />Following our previous shallow trip into Fishface we set out to continue the previous combined <br /><br />Following our previous shallow trip into Fishface we set out to continue the previous combined
leads from the day before. The journey across the plateau and into the cave was uneventful, aside from leads from the day before. The journey across the plateau and into the cave was uneventful, aside from
@ -501,7 +500,7 @@ camp for curry.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08a">2023-07-08</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08a">2023-07-08</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Nadia</u>,,Philip B,Oakem,Jana,Jono,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Nadia</u>,Jono,Philip B,Oakem,,Jana,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Garlic - Garlic Cave Set up + First Nights</div> <div class="triptitle">Garlic - Garlic Cave Set up + First Nights</div>
After doing a big bounce carry yesterday, we now had sufficient supplies to spend the night and begin the proper set up of camp. After doing a big bounce carry yesterday, we now had sufficient supplies to spend the night and begin the proper set up of camp.
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@ -526,7 +525,7 @@ Still need to find a grike.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08b">2023-07-08</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08b">2023-07-08</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,,Martin Green,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,Martin Green,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Basecamp - Nerd faff</div> <div class="triptitle">Basecamp - Nerd faff</div>
<br /><br />Another frustrating day with network. WiFi router refused to allow connections - rebooted at ~0830. Ok. <br /><br />Another frustrating day with network. WiFi router refused to allow connections - rebooted at ~0830. Ok.
<br /><br />Rebooted network for a reason I can't remember - failed to re-establish routing to router. Much faff standing on chairs typing at netbook as cables all duct taped to the wall with it in final operating position up by ceiling. Found the missing rune, edited into 'runfakenet'. Redocumented everything in handbook. By which time the morning has gone and no progress achieved. <br /><br />Rebooted network for a reason I can't remember - failed to re-establish routing to router. Much faff standing on chairs typing at netbook as cables all duct taped to the wall with it in final operating position up by ceiling. Found the missing rune, edited into 'runfakenet'. Redocumented everything in handbook. By which time the morning has gone and no progress achieved.
@ -540,7 +539,7 @@ Afternoon: added lots of expoers to folk.csv and adding lots of mugshots. Partic
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08c">2023-07-08</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08c">2023-07-08</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Janis Huns</u>,,Amelia Oliver,Ashley Gregg,Jonty Pine,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Janis Huns</u>,Amelia Oliver,Ashley Gregg,,Jonty Pine,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Pushing deep Fishface</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Pushing deep Fishface</div>
<br /><br />We went to where the group - Honorata, Radost and Mike - had left off the previous day. European Federalists was a very tough traverse that required the use of ascenders. We bolted and rigged (my first bolt!) the pitch at the end of the muddy passage about 10m down to a choke of boulders. At the bottom of it we saw that there is a large, smooth crack continuing east leading to a large, deep chamber that seems to be the same one we saw on the right. If it is it would be elongated roughly in a north east to south west direction. Ash and Mealy also explored some C leads which did not go far. <br /><br />We went to where the group - Honorata, Radost and Mike - had left off the previous day. European Federalists was a very tough traverse that required the use of ascenders. We bolted and rigged (my first bolt!) the pitch at the end of the muddy passage about 10m down to a choke of boulders. At the bottom of it we saw that there is a large, smooth crack continuing east leading to a large, deep chamber that seems to be the same one we saw on the right. If it is it would be elongated roughly in a north east to south west direction. Ash and Mealy also explored some C leads which did not go far.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08d">2023-07-08</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08d">2023-07-08</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Will Kay</u>,,Mike Butcher,Emma Caspers,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Will Kay</u>,Mike Butcher,,Emma Caspers,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Amphitheatre - Following up on Radost and Honorata's prospecting leads (Unlucky Gemse cave and Amphitheatre cave)</div> <div class="triptitle">Amphitheatre - Following up on Radost and Honorata's prospecting leads (Unlucky Gemse cave and Amphitheatre cave)</div>
<br /><br />Radost and Honorata had found a few promising entrances that they could explore with just a hand line on Thursday so me, Mike and Emma set out with caving kit, bolting kit and a few ropes to investigate further (ropes were slightly out of date ones - ropes were very hard to come by at Top Camp so we pinched two 20m ropes from the stash at Fishface entrance). <br /><br />Radost and Honorata had found a few promising entrances that they could explore with just a hand line on Thursday so me, Mike and Emma set out with caving kit, bolting kit and a few ropes to investigate further (ropes were slightly out of date ones - ropes were very hard to come by at Top Camp so we pinched two 20m ropes from the stash at Fishface entrance).
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@ -570,7 +569,7 @@ We then walked back, attempting but failing to find Garlic Cave. On the way back
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08e">2023-07-08</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-08e">2023-07-08</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Sarah Parker</u>,,Harry Kettle,Charlotte Payne,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Sarah Parker</u>,Harry Kettle,,Charlotte Payne,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Beyond Watershed in Homecoming Flowstone Canyon</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Beyond Watershed in Homecoming Flowstone Canyon</div>
<br /><br />I carried my caving and bivvy gear from Top Camp to Homecoming whilst Harry and Charlotte carried Top Camp's second shovel and a camp bed (surprisingliy heavy) to be picked up by the Garlic Cave people. <br /><br />I carried my caving and bivvy gear from Top Camp to Homecoming whilst Harry and Charlotte carried Top Camp's second shovel and a camp bed (surprisingliy heavy) to be picked up by the Garlic Cave people.
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@ -596,7 +595,7 @@ Slow, tired progress out saw us leave the cave at about 1am. I stumbled to Garli
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-10a">2023-07-10</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-10a">2023-07-10</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Buck Blake</u>,,Ashley Gregg,Jonty Pine,Joel Stobbart,Amelia Oliver,Janis Huns,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Buck Blake</u>,Jonty Pine,Ashley Gregg,Janis Huns,Amelia Oliver,,Joel Stobbart,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Carrying rope to Fishface and failing to rig entrance</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Carrying rope to Fishface and failing to rig entrance</div>
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After the complicated operation of handling the solar panels out of the storage cave, the six of us packed kit, rope and a rescue bag and set After the complicated operation of handling the solar panels out of the storage cave, the six of us packed kit, rope and a rescue bag and set
@ -616,7 +615,7 @@ left our caving kit under the small overhand near the entrance, then headed back
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-10b">2023-07-10</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-10b">2023-07-10</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Wassil Janssen</u>,,Alice Kirby,Harry Kettle,Christian Kuhlmann,Merryn Matthews,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Wassil Janssen</u>,Merryn Matthews,Alice Kirby,Harry Kettle,,Christian Kuhlmann,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Rig faff</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Rig faff</div>
<br /><br />This was a long day that started at Base Camp with the intent of rigging the entrance series of Homecoming cave. We set off only slightly later than the planned 8:00 [illegible] some faff. Quite surprising since Will was not part of the team. <br /><br />This was a long day that started at Base Camp with the intent of rigging the entrance series of Homecoming cave. We set off only slightly later than the planned 8:00 [illegible] some faff. Quite surprising since Will was not part of the team.
<br /><br />The walk up to Top Camp took almost 2 hours, just as expected. We were also carrying drills, string, food, and other Top Camp equipment. We followed the reflectors to Fishface. They were white on both sides, which could make it frustrating if you are someone who is lost on their way to Top Camp. Instead, it should be red that leads to Top Camp, while white leads to caves and the car park. <br /><br />The walk up to Top Camp took almost 2 hours, just as expected. We were also carrying drills, string, food, and other Top Camp equipment. We followed the reflectors to Fishface. They were white on both sides, which could make it frustrating if you are someone who is lost on their way to Top Camp. Instead, it should be red that leads to Top Camp, while white leads to caves and the car park.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-10c">2023-07-10</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-10c">2023-07-10</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,,Becka Lawson,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,Becka Lawson,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">basecamp - Becka arriving</div> <div class="triptitle">basecamp - Becka arriving</div>
<br /><br />She is arriving at 0941 at the station, would like lift. <br /><br />She is arriving at 0941 at the station, would like lift.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-10d">2023-07-10</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-10d">2023-07-10</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,,Ashley Gregg,Harry Kettle,Radost Waszkiewicz,Christian Kuhlmann,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,Christian Kuhlmann,Ashley Gregg,Harry Kettle,,Radost Waszkiewicz,</div>
<div class="triptitle">festering - Canyoning Strubklamm</div> <div class="triptitle">festering - Canyoning Strubklamm</div>
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We went canyoning on a rest day. The "Strubklamm" canyon is located near Saltzburg, approximately 1h of driving from Bad Aussee. The canyon is graded V1A3 (vertical 1, aquatic 3). It's very aquatic, with many small jumps available and a 300m swimming passage. There are 2 bigger jumps: approx. 8m and 10m, both can be abseiled (topo can be found online). We went canyoning on a rest day. The "Strubklamm" canyon is located near Saltzburg, approximately 1h of driving from Bad Aussee. The canyon is graded V1A3 (vertical 1, aquatic 3). It's very aquatic, with many small jumps available and a 300m swimming passage. There are 2 bigger jumps: approx. 8m and 10m, both can be abseiled (topo can be found online).
@ -674,7 +673,7 @@ Yet again a black bmw slowly moved in front of us with their sign flashing. Anot
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11a">2023-07-11</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11a">2023-07-11</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,,Radost Waszkiewicz,James Waite,Honorata Bogusz,Thomas Phillips,Will Kay,Ashley Gregg,Ely Brookes,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,Ely Brookes,Thomas Phillips,Radost Waszkiewicz,Will Kay,James Waite,Ashley Gregg,,Honorata Bogusz,</div>
<div class="triptitle">plateau - walk in</div> <div class="triptitle">plateau - walk in</div>
<br /><br />Will and Phil went up as part of the 2-car lift to the carpark. Others all going to topcamp. Cardiff contingent (Ely, James, Thomas) arrived the previous day (at last) <br /><br />Will and Phil went up as part of the 2-car lift to the carpark. Others all going to topcamp. Cardiff contingent (Ely, James, Thomas) arrived the previous day (at last)
<br /><br />Dep. carpark 10:06 we walked to the col but got spread out, 2 Cardiffians particularly heavily loaded so Ash dropped back to accompany them while James headed on with Radost and Honorata. <br /><br />Dep. carpark 10:06 we walked to the col but got spread out, 2 Cardiffians particularly heavily loaded so Ash dropped back to accompany them while James headed on with Radost and Honorata.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11b">2023-07-11</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11b">2023-07-11</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,,Will Kay,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u>,Will Kay,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">plateau - Garlic and reflectors</div> <div class="triptitle">plateau - Garlic and reflectors</div>
<br /><br />At the col, Will, Philip and ? followed Philip B's col-to-garlic GPS track. Somebody else was with us (memory hazy, is this true? <br /><br />At the col, Will, Philip and ? followed Philip B's col-to-garlic GPS track. Somebody else was with us (memory hazy, is this true?
[correct later editorially]). All OK until we hit the hill in the middle where we followed cairns instead of the GPS track, and got in a bit of [correct later editorially]). All OK until we hit the hill in the middle where we followed cairns instead of the GPS track, and got in a bit of
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11c">2023-07-11</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11c">2023-07-11</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Wassil Janssen</u>,,Oakem Kyne,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Wassil Janssen</u>,Oakem Kyne,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Five and Flying</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Five and Flying</div>
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I managed to steal Oakem away from Harry, Charlotte and Becka just as they were preparing to depart from Top Camp. After a quick breakfast I managed to steal Oakem away from Harry, Charlotte and Becka just as they were preparing to depart from Top Camp. After a quick breakfast
@ -772,7 +771,7 @@ his own logbook entry.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11d">2023-07-11</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11d">2023-07-11</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,,Radost Waszkiewicz,Ashley Gregg,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,Radost Waszkiewicz,,Ashley Gregg,</div>
<div class="triptitle">1623-323 - Dropping Amphitheater Hoehle</div> <div class="triptitle">1623-323 - Dropping Amphitheater Hoehle</div>
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The Amphitheater Hoehle is named after its entrance which resembles an amphitheather. There are a couple of meters of an easy climb from the very top to the boulder where we started rigging. Rigging starts with an approx. 5-6m down climb, where we put a handline. It's followed by a traverse (10m ?) above the entrance to the first pitch. We rigged a Y-hang at the end of the traverse. The Amphitheater Hoehle is named after its entrance which resembles an amphitheather. There are a couple of meters of an easy climb from the very top to the boulder where we started rigging. Rigging starts with an approx. 5-6m down climb, where we put a handline. It's followed by a traverse (10m ?) above the entrance to the first pitch. We rigged a Y-hang at the end of the traverse.
@ -784,7 +783,7 @@ The Amphitheater Hoehle is named after its entrance which resembles an amphithea
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11e">2023-07-11</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11e">2023-07-11</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,,Charlotte,Harry,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,Charlotte,,Harry,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Watershed</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Watershed</div>
Slogged down from Top Camp to Homecoming and headed down the entrance series. Wassil had snagged the rope on the longish pitch near the entrance (just after snow ends, beyond short crawl). It was so tight that Charlotte had to downprussik to free it. Steady progress to the pushing front in ~2.5 hours. Slogged down from Top Camp to Homecoming and headed down the entrance series. Wassil had snagged the rope on the longish pitch near the entrance (just after snow ends, beyond short crawl). It was so tight that Charlotte had to downprussik to free it. Steady progress to the pushing front in ~2.5 hours.
<p>Charlotte rigged a traverse down and across 2m so Harry and I could survey a side passage that quickly reached a pitch whilst Charlotte remained to finish rigging the pitch. We all descended the pitch to 2 routes. <p>Charlotte rigged a traverse down and across 2m so Harry and I could survey a side passage that quickly reached a pitch whilst Charlotte remained to finish rigging the pitch. We all descended the pitch to 2 routes.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11f">2023-07-11</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-11f">2023-07-11</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Emily</u>,,Charlotte,Harry,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Emily</u>,Charlotte,,Harry,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Kresh Konnection exploring and rerigging</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Kresh Konnection exploring and rerigging</div>
The day started fairly quick and we arrived at the Fishface entrance at 10:30am, making our way underground by 11. Joel and Lizzy went around to re-bolt the first pitch in the connection with me and Merryn following after to measure and record rigging diagrams. Due to an odd mixture of rope the first 9m pitch ended up being rigged with a rope from 1999… As we went on Joel and Merryn rerigged P4 and P5 with separate ropes to free up the 50m currently being used so we could bring the 50m down to where we were planning to push. During this time Joel rearranged the ropes and went back to remove the 1999 rope and replace it with an in-date rope. Essentially a good few hours were spent rearranging ropes, during which time me and Lizzy took a nap in a shelter at the bottom of P5. The day started fairly quick and we arrived at the Fishface entrance at 10:30am, making our way underground by 11. Joel and Lizzy went around to re-bolt the first pitch in the connection with me and Merryn following after to measure and record rigging diagrams. Due to an odd mixture of rope the first 9m pitch ended up being rigged with a rope from 1999… As we went on Joel and Merryn rerigged P4 and P5 with separate ropes to free up the 50m currently being used so we could bring the 50m down to where we were planning to push. During this time Joel rearranged the ropes and went back to remove the 1999 rope and replace it with an in-date rope. Essentially a good few hours were spent rearranging ropes, during which time me and Lizzy took a nap in a shelter at the bottom of P5.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-12a">2023-07-12</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-12a">2023-07-12</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Emma</u>,,Mealy,Mike B,Jonty,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Emma</u>,Mealy,Mike B,,Jonty,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Camp in Fishface - pushing Redlight & Persied Showers</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Camp in Fishface - pushing Redlight & Persied Showers</div>
10-07-23 - We wake up early-ish with the goal of leaving at 9/10 but quickly decide MUCH more faff is needed. A stop is made at the shops to buy biodegradable bags and a magazine, eventually Jonty, Mealy and I made it to the car park. It is very very warm and we worried about dehydration. We get waking, faffing more by running into many groups coming off the plateau, and Mike catches up quickly. Once on the plateau the weather seems more pleasant - a cool breeze is present now - when I see the cause - a huge could of rain hanging over the Dachstein. "Nah, that's just mist" says uncle Mike. We make our merry way, not forgetting to bow to the plateau monster (Mike doesn't bow) until we hear a rumble of thunder, "Nah, just a plane" says uncle Mike, soon, to vertical rains start, which we are not dressed nor prepared for, so we hide by crouching against a wall in the plateau. Then, wind turns and we get very soaked so we huddle under Jonty's 1-man emergency bothy. Anyway sun returns, much more faff is had, I take a fall... we don't make it into Fishface until 20:45, carrying LUDICROUSLY large bags! Mealy and I lead the way in, made a little clumsy by our heavy loads - though not as heavy as jonty's, and not at all as bad as mike's whose "side bag" is a full-sized tackle sack containing lots of rope. The first pitch was not my Friend and I dropped a plastic bottle - after that I enjoyed myself - esp. impressed by TK Maxx, a super cool pitch!! Mealy & I get down just after 23.00, followed soon by Jonty and a little later by Mike who had stopped to get even more Rope. Mealy goes of to faff with Cavelink, Jonty & I head over to help and we send the important message "camp creche want more peanut" - it sends. Mealy & I share warmth & noodles. Jonty & mike eat curry, we whip out the mini-Jagermeister, all take a little sip and head to sleep. I apparently caused some disturbance by snoring (sorry) and we all sleep intermittently. 10-07-23 - We wake up early-ish with the goal of leaving at 9/10 but quickly decide MUCH more faff is needed. A stop is made at the shops to buy biodegradable bags and a magazine, eventually Jonty, Mealy and I made it to the car park. It is very very warm and we worried about dehydration. We get waking, faffing more by running into many groups coming off the plateau, and Mike catches up quickly. Once on the plateau the weather seems more pleasant - a cool breeze is present now - when I see the cause - a huge could of rain hanging over the Dachstein. "Nah, that's just mist" says uncle Mike. We make our merry way, not forgetting to bow to the plateau monster (Mike doesn't bow) until we hear a rumble of thunder, "Nah, just a plane" says uncle Mike, soon, to vertical rains start, which we are not dressed nor prepared for, so we hide by crouching against a wall in the plateau. Then, wind turns and we get very soaked so we huddle under Jonty's 1-man emergency bothy. Anyway sun returns, much more faff is had, I take a fall... we don't make it into Fishface until 20:45, carrying LUDICROUSLY large bags! Mealy and I lead the way in, made a little clumsy by our heavy loads - though not as heavy as jonty's, and not at all as bad as mike's whose "side bag" is a full-sized tackle sack containing lots of rope. The first pitch was not my Friend and I dropped a plastic bottle - after that I enjoyed myself - esp. impressed by TK Maxx, a super cool pitch!! Mealy & I get down just after 23.00, followed soon by Jonty and a little later by Mike who had stopped to get even more Rope. Mealy goes of to faff with Cavelink, Jonty & I head over to help and we send the important message "camp creche want more peanut" - it sends. Mealy & I share warmth & noodles. Jonty & mike eat curry, we whip out the mini-Jagermeister, all take a little sip and head to sleep. I apparently caused some disturbance by snoring (sorry) and we all sleep intermittently.
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Merryn Matthews</u>,,Thomas Phillips,Lizzie Caisley,Joel Stobbart,Emily Mabbett,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Merryn Matthews</u>,Emily Mabbett,Thomas Phillips,Lizzie Caisley,,Joel Stobbart,</div>
<div class="triptitle">plateau - Prospecting between Homecoming and Fishface</div> <div class="triptitle">plateau - Prospecting between Homecoming and Fishface</div>
<br /><br />We started by walking to Unlucky Gamse Cave, mostly following the path to homecoming, as Radost and Honorata had told us there was <br /><br />We started by walking to Unlucky Gamse Cave, mostly following the path to homecoming, as Radost and Honorata had told us there was
an exciting looking entrance around 50m North of it - Rose Blumen Hoehle (2023-hbrw-05). We dismissed their cave as choked by snow, however it an exciting looking entrance around 50m North of it - Rose Blumen Hoehle (2023-hbrw-05). We dismissed their cave as choked by snow, however it
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-12c">2023-07-12</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-12c">2023-07-12</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Janis Huns,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Janis Huns,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Amphitheatre – Surveying Frozen Unknown</div> <div class="triptitle">Amphitheatre – Surveying Frozen Unknown</div>
<br /><br />We went back to continue exploring Amphitheatre. Since we were now pushing decently underground, we kitted <br /><br />We went back to continue exploring Amphitheatre. Since we were now pushing decently underground, we kitted
up and then headed in. Adjusted the initial traverse line rigging slightly. up and then headed in. Adjusted the initial traverse line rigging slightly.
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Emma</u>,,Mike B,Jonty,Mealy,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Emily</u>,Joel,Thom,Merryn,,Lizzy,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Camp in Fishface - pushing Redlight & Persied Showers #2</div> <div class="triptitle">Plateau - Prospecting near Fishface</div>
10-07-23 - We wake up early-ish with the goal of leaving at 9/10 but quickly decide MUCH more faff is needed. A stop is made at the shops to buy biodegradable bags and a magazine, eventually Jonty, Mealy and I made it to the car park. It is very very warm and we worried about dehydration. We get waking, faffing more by running into many groups coming off the plateau, and Mike catches up quickly. Once on the plateau the weather seems more pleasant - a cool breeze is present now - when I see the cause - a huge could of rain hanging over the Dachstein. "Nah, that's just mist" says uncle Mike. We make our merry way, not forgetting to bow to the plateau monster (Mike doesn't bow) until we hear a rumble of thunder, "Nah, just a plane" says uncle Mike, soon, to vertical rains start, which we are not dressed nor prepared for, so we hide by crouching against a wall in the plateau. Then, wind turns and we get very soaked so we huddle under Jonty's 1-man emergency bothy. Anyway sun returns, much more faff is had, I take a fall... we don't make it into Fishface until 20:45, carrying LUDICROUSLY large bags! Mealy and I lead the way in, made a little clumsy by our heavy loads - though not as heavy as jonty's, and not at all as bad as mike's whose "side bag" is a full-sized tackle sack containing lots of rope. The first pitch was not my Friend and I dropped a plastic bottle - after that I enjoyed myself - esp. impressed by TK Maxx, a super cool pitch!! Mealy & I get down just after 23.00, followed soon by Jonty and a little later by Mike who had stopped to get even more Rope. Mealy goes of to faff with Cavelink, Jonty & I head over to help and we send the important message "camp creche want more peanut" - it sends. Mealy & I share warmth & noodles. Jonty & mike eat curry, we whip out the mini-Jagermeister, all take a little sip and head to sleep. I apparently caused some disturbance by snoring (sorry) and we all sleep intermittently. After consulting the weather forecast in the morning and seeing 50mnm of rain forecast from 8pm onward we decided the best use of our day would be to prospect. Our first port of call was a previously scoped hole of the path between Fishcace and Homecoming. With no photo and only a rough location we looked in a few holes climbing to the bottom of a couple that looked possible but to no avail. After marking the holes we decided to continue in a vaguely North direction following a passage in homecoming below us. After some impressive Bundah walking we found another prospect in which Joel eagerly descended only to find it also choked out - it was therefore nicknamed Joel's disappointment , which later changed to sunglasses disappointment after he figured out he lost his sunglasses somewhere into the hole.
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----------------- Yet another Bundah battle later we emerged to 2 rucksacks on the plateau and realized we were at amphitheater. It was here that Joel and Lizzy discovered that radasts prized hole was in fact when they and Sarah had prospected the week before... They were NOT happy. Whilst here Joel and Tom dropped into some smaller surrounding holes and after a miscommunication for the Latin of sewage pipe, Grivel hole and Grivel pot were born.
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11-07-23. We make a late start (it's hard to leave warm sleeping bags) - no response on cavelink so we spend several more messages saying "weather update pls"? etc. Mealy, Mike & I eat porridge, Jonty eats noodles, then Mealy and Jonty head off to push Radorst's lead and Mike starts rigging Persied Showers - I sit in a bothy in case Mike needs me. he does not, and I get quite bored. Eventually he comes back, now a little damp! Quite displeased at the state & placement of some bolts. We go to find the others and run into them on their way back - Radorsts lead was a loop & Fishface was connected to Fishface yet again. Back we go to camp - still nothing on the cavelink - a little concerning as rain was forecast for /- 24 hours later and we really wanted a weather forecast. After more Faff we decide to stay another night, so Mike went off to re-bolt and rig the rest while Jonty, Mealy & I went to look at the mysterious ABC- lead in Moths 2. I enjoyed doing the free climbs there. Then, we heard LOTS and LOTS of water that Mealy did not remember - we carried on to look down the pitch witch was rigged quite weirdly - the rope into Moths was sort of... dragged into Moths 2. We decided the vibes were simply off and left without pushing... pre-this me and Mealy had some veg soup and also fancied non-freezing water so we heated up water which tasted SO Good. Jonty was sipping the warm water and it fogged up his glasses - upon which he proclaimed he couldn't see anything other than the BEAUTIFUL GOLDEN GLOW of our veg soup! and indeed this beautiful glow felt like a 'diving presence'! We each took turns fogging up our glasses and looking at what we decided must be the face of God himself and went thus lenthily intranced. From here we began to circle back towards FishFace, on the way we found a large flat expanse of limestone with one semi hopeful prospect but after a large amount of gardening and some dodgy free climbing down from Joel it was decided it was far too chossy to look into any further. Finally we found our one true promising prospect - a hole temporarily name crucifix as it's buried in a bundah patch next to a cross. After putting one bolt in and preparing to start more bolting / rigging we looked up to see a large thunderstorm approaching. We left our bolt and rope we started to leg it up the hill. Tom did not enjoy this part. Finally we arrived, drenched in sweat and wheezing for oxygen, but not burnt to the bone by lightning, we arrived at top camp as the storm hit. We spent the next part of the night cowering in the one only corner of the buivvy as the predicted rain poured. 5 of us sheltered in the animal shelter and watched Matilda the musical - a good storm pass time!
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Anyhow, back from Moths area, we decided to have a lil look for anything, realistically, and stumbled upon what looked deeply unpromising - a tight little sandy rift Jonty had to crawl into, but was in fact some really niece passage that contained some merry little formations!!! Thus we surveyed Get Righty - a fun detour. We popped out into a BIG rift that we briefly were hyped about but turned out to be familiar ground. Back at camp we were quite tired to headed to bed despite being a little worried about Uncle Mike who was still on Persied Showers. Luckily he showed up not long after - a little damp and not too thrilled about the efforts - Persied Showers still needs surveying and it was wetter than you would want to get even with rebolting.
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Mealy and I got up around 7 and pack (&faff a lil) to start prussicing out & stay on the safe side of any rain. The bags were very arkward in the rifts but other than that it was quite a good time - Mealy left me sweet treats on the bolts every not and then as motivation. At around BBBB time, I got horrile cramps that made the entire rest a bit of an ordeal though prussiking wasn't too bad. I had a little cry on the surface but mostly was just very pleased to be in the sun again. Soon followed by Jonty and Mike - conclusion. Effort does not equal Success!
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Author's note: MB would like me to include that we discussed the most likely position to find Kerian A in a sex shop - costumer or salesman - and decided we would expect to find him naked as a human counter.
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Transcribers note, 21st July 2024. Whilst I do appreciate the write up and the narrative of my friends going caving, this has been the most horrifically punctuated account I have yet had to digitize. I am aware there are typos in my version, I can't be fucked to change them currently.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-13a">2023-07-13</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-13a">2023-07-13</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,,Jonty Pine,Charlotte Payne,Radost Waszkiewicz,Harry Kettle,Oakem Kyne,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata Bogusz</u>,Charlotte Payne,Jonty Pine,Oakem Kyne,Harry Kettle,,Radost Waszkiewicz,</div>
<div class="triptitle">festering - Via Ferrata "Panorama Kletterstieg Sisi"</div> <div class="triptitle">festering - Via Ferrata "Panorama Kletterstieg Sisi"</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-13c">2023-07-13</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-13c">2023-07-13</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Zac</u>,,Jono,Will,Sarah,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Zac</u>,Jono,Will,,Sarah,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Investingating around Radogast</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Investingating around Radogast</div>
The day started out bleak with the plateau overcast and still soaked from the night before. Zac and Sarah set out from top camp while will and Jono came from base. We all bumped into each other at homecoming which was excellent timing. We proceeded to garlic cave for some lunch where Zac and Sarah got very cold. Phillip joined us there also. we waited for the rain to die away then headed over to homecoming. Sarah followed by Zac, then Will then Jono. The plan was to re-rig the small pitch and traverse after Radogast as well as investigate a phreatic tube 5m bellow the Radogast pitch head. each of these were to be done in pairs but the plan was scrapped when Jono needed the longer rope from Sarah (exploring Radogast) to re rig the pitch and the traverse. In the end Zac re-rigged it under Jono's supervision while the other 2 stood around. The day started out bleak with the plateau overcast and still soaked from the night before. Zac and Sarah set out from top camp while will and Jono came from base. We all bumped into each other at homecoming which was excellent timing. We proceeded to garlic cave for some lunch where Zac and Sarah got very cold. Phillip joined us there also. we waited for the rain to die away then headed over to homecoming. Sarah followed by Zac, then Will then Jono. The plan was to re-rig the small pitch and traverse after Radogast as well as investigate a phreatic tube 5m bellow the Radogast pitch head. each of these were to be done in pairs but the plan was scrapped when Jono needed the longer rope from Sarah (exploring Radogast) to re rig the pitch and the traverse. In the end Zac re-rigged it under Jono's supervision while the other 2 stood around.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-14a">2023-07-14</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-14a">2023-07-14</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>James Waite</u>,,Harry Kettle,Charlotte Payne,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>James Waite</u>,Harry Kettle,,Charlotte Payne,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - pushing down homecoming from flowstone canyon, into alpine showers</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - pushing down homecoming from flowstone canyon, into alpine showers</div>
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after a heavy afternoon at the tatty hut, Harry asked if i fancied coming to after a heavy afternoon at the tatty hut, Harry asked if i fancied coming to
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-14c">2023-07-14</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-14c">2023-07-14</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata</u>,,Radost,Wassil,Chi,Merryn,Oakem,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Honorata</u>,Wassil,Radost,Oakem,Merryn,,Chi,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Basecamp - Floating down the river to Bad Aussee</div> <div class="triptitle">Basecamp - Floating down the river to Bad Aussee</div>
Floating down the river to Bad Aussee. Me and Radost are leaving today so we wanted to do a fun rest day activity on our last full day. Chi, Wassil, and Oakem agreed to go canyoning to Grabenback (VZVZ)(?) with us. We decided that we wanted to be in the canyon in the hottest moment of the day. We were ready to leave at noon but chi realised he'd lost his car keys. 2 hours of searching for them around the potato hut yielded no results. Disappointed, we decided to float down the river to Bad Aussee where we later had ice cream. Floating down the river has been definitely the most dangerous and stupid thing I've done on expo. Don't do it and if you have to - wear a helmet, gloves and shoes unlike us. I stated rolling on one waterfall and was really afraid I'd hurt my head. Then, I hit my lip really hard on a rock. I'm not gonna do it again. Ice cream was nice though. Floating down the river to Bad Aussee. Me and Radost are leaving today so we wanted to do a fun rest day activity on our last full day. Chi, Wassil, and Oakem agreed to go canyoning to Grabenback (VZVZ)(?) with us. We decided that we wanted to be in the canyon in the hottest moment of the day. We were ready to leave at noon but chi realised he'd lost his car keys. 2 hours of searching for them around the potato hut yielded no results. Disappointed, we decided to float down the river to Bad Aussee where we later had ice cream. Floating down the river has been definitely the most dangerous and stupid thing I've done on expo. Don't do it and if you have to - wear a helmet, gloves and shoes unlike us. I stated rolling on one waterfall and was really afraid I'd hurt my head. Then, I hit my lip really hard on a rock. I'm not gonna do it again. Ice cream was nice though.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-14d">2023-07-14</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-14d">2023-07-14</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Will</u>,,Nadia,Sarah,Mike,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Will</u>,Nadia,Sarah,,Mike,</div>
<div class="triptitle">homecoming - Shallow Homecoming and pushing beyond Hobknob Hallway & Dead Flied Passage</div> <div class="triptitle">homecoming - Shallow Homecoming and pushing beyond Hobknob Hallway & Dead Flied Passage</div>
Having seen 2 A-leads at the end of dead flies passage on the big survey we headed down to investigate & push. Arriving at the end of the survey, we reached a small 3x1.5m chamber with a streamway passage (?2018-26A) back to the left and a more rifty passage straight ahead (?2018-25A). Having seen 2 A-leads at the end of dead flies passage on the big survey we headed down to investigate & push. Arriving at the end of the survey, we reached a small 3x1.5m chamber with a streamway passage (?2018-26A) back to the left and a more rifty passage straight ahead (?2018-25A).
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-14e">2023-07-14</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-14e">2023-07-14</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,Jono,Harry,Charlotte,James,,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,James,Jono,Harry,,Charlotte,</div>
<div class="triptitle">1626-359 - Homecoming . Watershed . Alpine Showers</div> <div class="triptitle">1626-359 - Homecoming . Watershed . Alpine Showers</div>
Walked from Top Camp to Homecoming + headed down quite efficiently, split to 2 groups at the previous survey limit, below CHarlotte's 2nd pitch, Harry, Charlotte + James started surveying downstream. Jono + I surveyed upstream for a mighty 3 legs ("Alpine Waterfall") to where the stream spouted down from on high. Walked from Top Camp to Homecoming + headed down quite efficiently, split to 2 groups at the previous survey limit, below CHarlotte's 2nd pitch, Harry, Charlotte + James started surveying downstream. Jono + I surveyed upstream for a mighty 3 legs ("Alpine Waterfall") to where the stream spouted down from on high.
We went up the pitch with the rope + drill aiming to bolt a vertical lead but Harry caught us up to say they needed it so he took the drill + rope + they bolted downstream until they ran out of rope to leave a splashy A-lead continuing downstream. We went up the pitch with the rope + drill aiming to bolt a vertical lead but Harry caught us up to say they needed it so he took the drill + rope + they bolted downstream until they ran out of rope to leave a splashy A-lead continuing downstream.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-15a">2023-07-15</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-15a">2023-07-15</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Janis Huns,Ely Brookes,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Janis Huns,,Ely Brookes,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Prospecting - Up to Homecoming from the Col</div> <div class="triptitle">Prospecting - Up to Homecoming from the Col</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-15b">2023-07-15</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-15b">2023-07-15</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Philip Balister,Ely Brookes,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Philip Balister,,Ely Brookes,</div>
<div class="triptitle">2018-DM-04 – Prospecting, exploring, surveying</div> <div class="triptitle">2018-DM-04 – Prospecting, exploring, surveying</div>
<br /><br />The plan was to do some prospecting in the relatively uncovered area around Garlic cave. <br /><br />The plan was to do some prospecting in the relatively uncovered area around Garlic cave.
We met up with Philip at Garlic cave and had some noodles for lunch. Philip had already done some We met up with Philip at Garlic cave and had some noodles for lunch. Philip had already done some
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-15c">2023-07-15</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-15c">2023-07-15</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Christian Kuhlmann</u>,,Merryn Matthews,Wassil Janssen,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Christian Kuhlmann</u>,Merryn Matthews,,Wassil Janssen,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - In Search Of Salamanders</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - In Search Of Salamanders</div>
<br /><br />Following an impromptu pre-expo-dinner dinner the night before, we all arose with a tinge of hangover. Rapidly consuming breakfast and packing kit, we set off at 8:30am, only 30 minutes after we said we would which in all fairness is very good going for us. <br /><br />Following an impromptu pre-expo-dinner dinner the night before, we all arose with a tinge of hangover. Rapidly consuming breakfast and packing kit, we set off at 8:30am, only 30 minutes after we said we would which in all fairness is very good going for us.
After a smooth ferry to the Loser car park by our wonderful chauffer Alice, we set off up the mountain. Almost immediately after we left the car park a navigational faux pas was made and we found ourselves on the wrong path, and with a small section of off-roading, we headed up to top camp with no other further obstructions. After a smooth ferry to the Loser car park by our wonderful chauffer Alice, we set off up the mountain. Almost immediately after we left the car park a navigational faux pas was made and we found ourselves on the wrong path, and with a small section of off-roading, we headed up to top camp with no other further obstructions.
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Evelyn Surman,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Evelyn Surman,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Prospecting - Much prospecting near Balcony</div> <div class="triptitle">Prospecting - Much prospecting near Balcony</div>
<br /><br />Deciding I wanted to go prospecting but didn’t particularly want to walk back over to garlic cave, <br /><br />Deciding I wanted to go prospecting but didn’t particularly want to walk back over to garlic cave,
so recruited Evelyn, our resident non-caver to go wander around near balcony. Armed with known cave so recruited Evelyn, our resident non-caver to go wander around near balcony. Armed with known cave
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-16b">2023-07-16</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-16b">2023-07-16</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Mark Shinwell</u>,,James Waite,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Mark Shinwell</u>,James Waite,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">surface - Walk from Gschwandt Alm</div> <div class="triptitle">surface - Walk from Gschwandt Alm</div>
Walk from Gschwandt Alm below the western edge of the plateau. Walk from Gschwandt Alm below the western edge of the plateau.
[note taken from gps23.svx] [note taken from gps23.svx]
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-17b">2023-07-17</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-17b">2023-07-17</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Oakem Kyne,Emma Caspers,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Oakem Kyne,,Emma Caspers,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface – Kresh connection confusion</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface – Kresh connection confusion</div>
<br /><br />Joel had discovered an exciting new cave, unfortunately this left us with rope and a lead down in <br /><br />Joel had discovered an exciting new cave, unfortunately this left us with rope and a lead down in
the Fish face – happy butterfly connection which no-one was going to. I was naively convinced to go and the Fish face – happy butterfly connection which no-one was going to. I was naively convinced to go and
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-18a">2023-07-18</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-18a">2023-07-18</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Merryn Matthews,Zac Woodford,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Merryn Matthews,,Zac Woodford,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Tempest – Touch of Death</div> <div class="triptitle">Tempest – Touch of Death</div>
<br /><br />Excited to go and see (and kill) this new cave, two groups set off to push the two ‘A’ leads at the <br /><br />Excited to go and see (and kill) this new cave, two groups set off to push the two ‘A’ leads at the
extent of Tempest. Arriving at the cave we prepared the bags and realised we’d forgotten a hammer, so extent of Tempest. Arriving at the cave we prepared the bags and realised we’d forgotten a hammer, so
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-19a">2023-07-19</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-19a">2023-07-19</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>James Waite</u>,,Jono Lester,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>James Waite</u>,Jono Lester,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - pushing beyond death sump and the heifer</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - pushing beyond death sump and the heifer</div>
jono and i had spotted an A lead bolt climb off the edge of propane nightmares over the death sump. armed with bolts and mikes drill we set off from garlic cave and after much faff we finally enteretd into homecoming. we got our kit into two bags of very heavy nature and set off down the cave. the entrance pitches went easily and eventually we got to the traverse . this was a interesting with large blokes and large bags stuck in the rift. after a large amount of swearing we got down to wallace. this went easily, and we got onto grommit. this was rather "fun" as the rope was looking interesting, and you had to go very slowly to avoid sizzling. at the bottom of grommit we gathered some bolts and hangers from the bag down there and set off into propane nightmares. jono and i had spotted an A lead bolt climb off the edge of propane nightmares over the death sump. armed with bolts and mikes drill we set off from garlic cave and after much faff we finally enteretd into homecoming. we got our kit into two bags of very heavy nature and set off down the cave. the entrance pitches went easily and eventually we got to the traverse . this was a interesting with large blokes and large bags stuck in the rift. after a large amount of swearing we got down to wallace. this went easily, and we got onto grommit. this was rather "fun" as the rope was looking interesting, and you had to go very slowly to avoid sizzling. at the bottom of grommit we gathered some bolts and hangers from the bag down there and set off into propane nightmares.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-19b">2023-07-19</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-19b">2023-07-19</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Will Kay,Zac Woodford,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Will Kay,,Zac Woodford,</div>
<div class="triptitle">2023-ASH-15, 2023-ASH-16 - Prospecting – dropping Boring Hole and Dead on Arrival</div> <div class="triptitle">2023-ASH-15, 2023-ASH-16 - Prospecting – dropping Boring Hole and Dead on Arrival</div>
<br /><br />Took Zac to bolt a cave he had previously found not too far of the path to Fishface. Slight delay as <br /><br />Took Zac to bolt a cave he had previously found not too far of the path to Fishface. Slight delay as
we’d forgotten something important (bolts maybe?), which Will went back to get. we’d forgotten something important (bolts maybe?), which Will went back to get.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-19c">2023-07-19</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-19c">2023-07-19</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Will Kay,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Will Kay,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Plateau - Surveying Little Tent and Gollum Grotto</div> <div class="triptitle">Plateau - Surveying Little Tent and Gollum Grotto</div>
<br /><br />Deciding we weren’t done for the day yet an afternoon evening trip was decided upon to survey some <br /><br />Deciding we weren’t done for the day yet an afternoon evening trip was decided upon to survey some
of the caves Evelyn and I had found a few days ago. Will and I gathered the necessary gear and set off of the caves Evelyn and I had found a few days ago. Will and I gathered the necessary gear and set off
@ -1542,7 +1533,7 @@ off on the edges of the plateau. Plus curry for dinner.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-20b">2023-07-20</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-20b">2023-07-20</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,,Thomas Phillips,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ashley Gregg</u>,Thomas Phillips,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Plateau - Surveying Top Camp Band and Bat versus Rat</div> <div class="triptitle">Plateau - Surveying Top Camp Band and Bat versus Rat</div>
<br /><br />Decided to go and survey/kill a couple more caves before heading down off the plateau for the year. <br /><br />Decided to go and survey/kill a couple more caves before heading down off the plateau for the year.
Aware that I would have a lot of data to sort out and vague plans to go canyoning Friday before the Aware that I would have a lot of data to sort out and vague plans to go canyoning Friday before the
@ -1575,30 +1566,17 @@ Either way, glad to see it being pushed towards the rest of the system!</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-23a">2023-07-12</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-23a">2023-07-23</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Emily</u>,Thom,Merryn,Lizzy,Joel,,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Bier Tent</u>,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Plateau - Prospecting near Fishface</div> <div class="triptitle">basecamp - Nothing happened today at all</div>
After consulting the weather forecast in the morning and seeing 50mnm of rain forecast from 8pm onward we decided the best use of our day would be to prospect. Our first port of call was a previously scoped hole of the path between Fishcace and Homecoming. With no photo and only a rough location we looked in a few holes climbing to the bottom of a couple that looked possible but to no avail. After marking the holes we decided to continue in a vaguely North direction following a passage in homecoming below us. After some impressive Bundah walking we found another prospect in which Joel eagerly descended only to find it also choked out - it was therefore nicknamed Joel's disappointment , which later changed to sunglasses disappointment after he figured out he lost his sunglasses somewhere into the hole. <br /><br />Nowt, apparently. Again. On a Sunday, again.
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Yet another Bundah battle later we emerged to 2 rucksacks on the plateau and realized we were at amphitheater. It was here that Joel and Lizzy discovered that radasts prized hole was in fact when they and Sarah had prospected the week before... They were NOT happy. Whilst here Joel and Tom dropped into some smaller surrounding holes and after a miscommunication for the Latin of sewage pipe, Grivel hole and Grivel pot were born.
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From here we began to circle back towards FishFace, on the way we found a large flat expanse of limestone with one semi hopeful prospect but after a large amount of gardening and some dodgy free climbing down from Joel it was decided it was far too chossy to look into any further. Finally we found our one true promising prospect - a hole temporarily name crucifix as it's buried in a bundah patch next to a cross. After putting one bolt in and preparing to start more bolting / rigging we looked up to see a large thunderstorm approaching. We left our bolt and rope we started to leg it up the hill. Tom did not enjoy this part. Finally we arrived, drenched in sweat and wheezing for oxygen, but not burnt to the bone by lightning, we arrived at top camp as the storm hit. We spent the next part of the night cowering in the one only corner of the buivvy as the predicted rain poured. 5 of us sheltered in the animal shelter and watched Matilda the musical - a good storm pass time!
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Bier Tent</u>,,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Adam Baldock</u>,Kai,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">basecamp - Nothing happened today at all</div>
<br /><br />Nowt, apparently. Again. On a Sunday, again.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-23c">2023-07-23</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Adam Baldock</u>,,Kai,</div>
<div class="triptitle">plateau - Mendip Man & Silver Moth</div> <div class="triptitle">plateau - Mendip Man & Silver Moth</div>
We set off to the fishface gear strone on a fine sunny day. I was promised some proper mendip esc horizpntal passages, exactly what I came to expo for. We set off to the fishface gear strone on a fine sunny day. I was promised some proper mendip esc horizpntal passages, exactly what I came to expo for.
Kai showed me into mendip man, past the dollop of snow on the rather impressive entrance and set off down boulder and rock rubble, [?] crawling passage. Kai showed me into mendip man, past the dollop of snow on the rather impressive entrance and set off down boulder and rock rubble, [?] crawling passage.
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We decuded to calll the name silver moth as the passage had a lot of moths and took silver from the fact that luke found the hole. We decuded to calll the name silver moth as the passage had a lot of moths and took silver from the fact that luke found the hole.
With a great draft draft out of the hole we planned to return with a handline and a lot of psych [?] the rain in 2 days time. With a great draft draft out of the hole we planned to return with a handline and a lot of psych [?] the rain in 2 days time.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-24a">2023-07-24</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-24a">2023-07-24</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Kai Trusson,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Kai Trusson,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Tourist Trip to Pisspot</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Tourist Trip to Pisspot</div>
<br></br>Tourist trip down Fishface to Pisspot. Already more SRT than Joe has done in his entire lifetime combined, hopefully not holding up Kai too much. <br></br>Tourist trip down Fishface to Pisspot. Already more SRT than Joe has done in his entire lifetime combined, hopefully not holding up Kai too much.
<br /><br />Turned around and headed back out after 2 hours or so as felt we had done enough SRT practice <br /><br />Turned around and headed back out after 2 hours or so as felt we had done enough SRT practice
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-24b">2023-07-24</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-24b">2023-07-24</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Kai Trusson,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Kai Trusson,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Surface - surveying/prospecting small leads found yesterday by Luke, Becca and Max</div> <div class="triptitle">Surface - surveying/prospecting small leads found yesterday by Luke, Becca and Max</div>
<br></br><b> Becka checked with Joe Stell and Kai Trusson to clarify this write-up. It does describe Mendip Man albeit confusingly. The paragraph starting "upon leaving" is the main, left route after the entrance. The initial write-up refers the shorter, right route. This was surveyed on this trip but there was a problem with the data collected and so the data wasn't added to the database. It also isn't clear where the GPS location referred to below was taken. </b><br></br> <br></br><b> Becka checked with Joe Stell and Kai Trusson to clarify this write-up. It does describe Mendip Man albeit confusingly. The paragraph starting "upon leaving" is the main, left route after the entrance. The initial write-up refers the shorter, right route. This was surveyed on this trip but there was a problem with the data collected and so the data wasn't added to the database. It also isn't clear where the GPS location referred to below was taken. </b><br></br>
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-27a">2023-07-27</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-27a">2023-07-27</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Frank Tully,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Frank Tully,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Surface - Check your bits</div> <div class="triptitle">Surface - Check your bits</div>
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<br /><br />Hearing of an exciting new lead, "Mahlstromhöhle", from Frank, Max and Flo, Frank and I embarked on a walk westward out of Fishface gear dump. Upon finding the entrance (which took considerably longer than anticipated) we quickly started kitting up, only to find an absence of any drill bits in the drill bag, contrary to what Frank believed to be the case. Frank then left for fishface gear dump in search of drill bits, whilst I waited patiently, in kit. <br /><br />Hearing of an exciting new lead, "Mahlstromhöhle", from Frank, Max and Flo, Frank and I embarked on a walk westward out of Fishface gear dump. Upon finding the entrance (which took considerably longer than anticipated) we quickly started kitting up, only to find an absence of any drill bits in the drill bag, contrary to what Frank believed to be the case. Frank then left for fishface gear dump in search of drill bits, whilst I waited patiently, in kit.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-27b">2023-07-27</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-27b">2023-07-27</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,,Luke,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,Luke,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Rerig clap my pitch up + 4[??] pitch</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Rerig clap my pitch up + 4[??] pitch</div>
Down Elizabeth line +rigged the red [light?] for danger traverese, 2 short pitches + then luke rigged clap my pitch up. Down Elizabeth line +rigged the red [light?] for danger traverese, 2 short pitches + then luke rigged clap my pitch up.
We exited + luke rebolted the 4th pitch further back giving a hang that avoided the traverese + the awkward rebelay that had previously been tried - this is the 4th + hopefullly the final iteration of the 4th pitch this expo. We exited + luke rebolted the 4th pitch further back giving a hang that avoided the traverese + the awkward rebelay that had previously been tried - this is the 4th + hopefullly the final iteration of the 4th pitch this expo.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-28a">2023-07-28</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-28a">2023-07-28</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Frank Tully,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Frank Tully,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Maelstrom - Finally Underground</div> <div class="triptitle">Maelstrom - Finally Underground</div>
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<br /><br />After the brilliant success of yesterday's failed pushing trip, Frank and I returned to Mahlstromhöhle to actually go underground and push. After the entrance pitch, there is a small hole in the floor, from which several small-ish pitches follow. <br /><br />After the brilliant success of yesterday's failed pushing trip, Frank and I returned to Mahlstromhöhle to actually go underground and push. After the entrance pitch, there is a small hole in the floor, from which several small-ish pitches follow.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-28b">2023-07-28</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-28b">2023-07-28</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Lea</u>,,Luke,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Lea</u>,Luke,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Fishface - perseid shower to flaque vente</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Fishface - perseid shower to flaque vente</div>
Descended to camp near perseid showers. Descended to camp near perseid showers.
Left some of our gear there and continued down Perseid showers. Left some of our gear there and continued down Perseid showers.
@ -1706,7 +1684,7 @@ What an amazing feeling to be at the bottom of fishface! WOW!
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-28c">2023-07-28</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-28c">2023-07-28</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,,Adam A,Adam E,Ben,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,Adam A,Adam E,,Ben,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Claw_crane off coconut shy</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Claw_crane off coconut shy</div>
steady abseil down the entrance series. steady abseil down the entrance series.
Ben + Adam EJ decided to head out from there so we had a quick tourist up Elizabeth line then they headed out. Ben + Adam EJ decided to head out from there so we had a quick tourist up Elizabeth line then they headed out.
@ -1724,7 +1702,7 @@ For some reason Adam dawdled at camp + ended up exiting last + was late back to
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-28d">2023-07-28</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-28d">2023-07-28</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Nadia</u>,,Botch,Kai,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Nadia</u>,Botch,,Kai,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Theopillus Goon, above CMPU</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Theopillus Goon, above CMPU</div>
After Rob and Kai travered over the top of CMPU the day before, finding a phrease window, Botch, Kai and I got to reap the Horizontal rewards. After Rob and Kai travered over the top of CMPU the day before, finding a phrease window, Botch, Kai and I got to reap the Horizontal rewards.
Starting at the window we took the small phreatic tube on the left of the window. Starting at the window we took the small phreatic tube on the left of the window.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-29a">2023-07-29</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-29a">2023-07-29</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Nadia Raeburn,Frank Tully,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Nadia Raeburn,,Frank Tully,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Maelstrom - "Undersold"</div> <div class="triptitle">Maelstrom - "Undersold"</div>
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<br /><br /> Hearing of our great success with this shallow lead, Nadia, having returned from a fishface camping trip the day before, decided she would join us for a nice easy surface trip. <br /><br /> Hearing of our great success with this shallow lead, Nadia, having returned from a fishface camping trip the day before, decided she would join us for a nice easy surface trip.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-29b">2023-07-29</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-29b">2023-07-29</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Kai</u>,,Becka,Luke,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Kai</u>,Becka,,Luke,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Mendip man - Mendip man - Surveying trip</div> <div class="triptitle">Mendip man - Mendip man - Surveying trip</div>
We headed out early ish and headed down to fish face gear store to find becka almost ready complaining about the quality of Distos lasers in the [day?] even tho she didn't [not?] to bring hers. We headed out early ish and headed down to fish face gear store to find becka almost ready complaining about the quality of Distos lasers in the [day?] even tho she didn't [not?] to bring hers.
After some above ground ffaffing we headed to the entrance where Becka rigorously ran through propa[sic] surveying techniques with me. After some above ground ffaffing we headed to the entrance where Becka rigorously ran through propa[sic] surveying techniques with me.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-30c">2023-07-30</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-30c">2023-07-30</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Rob</u>,,Luke,Lea,Becka,Botch,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Rob</u>,Botch,Luke,Lea,,Becka,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Pushing The bottom of fish Face - camp #2 - part 1</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Pushing The bottom of fish Face - camp #2 - part 1</div>
Headed underground at~10pm on 30/07, arrived at camp around half 11. Headed underground at~10pm on 30/07, arrived at camp around half 11.
Good nigts sleep, unike the following night. Good nigts sleep, unike the following night.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-31a">2023-07-31</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-31a">2023-07-31</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Ruairidh MacLeod,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Ruairidh MacLeod,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Surface - Prospecting alternative entrances for Maelstrom</div> <div class="triptitle">Surface - Prospecting alternative entrances for Maelstrom</div>
<br /><br />After a leisurely (not quite for Ruairidh, carrying far too much) walk up to topcamp with Frank and Nadia following a leisurely morning start from me, Ruairidh and I decided that we could attempt to find an easier, quicker entrance to Maelstrom by following the rift from the surface whilst the other two and Sam were actually in the cave derigging. First we found a large basin, containing what appeared to be a large cave entrance, but upon further inspection, choked out towards the back of the cave. Ruairidh did find a nice complete Gaemse skull though, which he seemed quite happy about. Another potential entrance found further along the rift with a steady flow of water disappearing into the ground which could explain some of the bigger drippy pitches after the lovely squeeze. The rift splits into two further on, with some promising, but inaccessible, looking gorges on the right fork as you follow it. The left seemed less promising from memory but this area is definitely worth another look with bolting kit to make sure. Realising we'd actually got quite close to the col, we decided to simply hike towards the slabs and rejoin the carpark-topcamp path and head back. <br /><br />After a leisurely (not quite for Ruairidh, carrying far too much) walk up to topcamp with Frank and Nadia following a leisurely morning start from me, Ruairidh and I decided that we could attempt to find an easier, quicker entrance to Maelstrom by following the rift from the surface whilst the other two and Sam were actually in the cave derigging. First we found a large basin, containing what appeared to be a large cave entrance, but upon further inspection, choked out towards the back of the cave. Ruairidh did find a nice complete Gaemse skull though, which he seemed quite happy about. Another potential entrance found further along the rift with a steady flow of water disappearing into the ground which could explain some of the bigger drippy pitches after the lovely squeeze. The rift splits into two further on, with some promising, but inaccessible, looking gorges on the right fork as you follow it. The left seemed less promising from memory but this area is definitely worth another look with bolting kit to make sure. Realising we'd actually got quite close to the col, we decided to simply hike towards the slabs and rejoin the carpark-topcamp path and head back.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-31b">2023-07-31</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-31b">2023-07-31</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Ben Chaddock</u>,,Adam E,Charlie Crossley,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Ben Chaddock</u>,Adam E,,Charlie Crossley,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Cocoa Channel Bolting Mission</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Cocoa Channel Bolting Mission</div>
[Adam E = Adam Erskine-Jones] [Adam E = Adam Erskine-Jones]
<br /><br />On the morning of my first pushing trip deep within Fishgesicht (5 minutes from camp) the nervous energy carried me up and away through the bountiful faff. After triple checking that we had all the equipment for bolting and surveying a rift that apparently continued but was too sketchy without a traverse line, Charlie, Adam EJ and I traipsed across the plateau for even more faff outside the entrance. After a prompt descent we met the camping team who showed us the way to silverback scoop including a stop at the tap and going down a wrong branch. Squeezing through a pitch head to descend 7m into a dusty tight canyon with a tackle sack full of heavy gear, I did wonder what I was doing, but once the drill was out that fell away completely. <br /><br />On the morning of my first pushing trip deep within Fishgesicht (5 minutes from camp) the nervous energy carried me up and away through the bountiful faff. After triple checking that we had all the equipment for bolting and surveying a rift that apparently continued but was too sketchy without a traverse line, Charlie, Adam EJ and I traipsed across the plateau for even more faff outside the entrance. After a prompt descent we met the camping team who showed us the way to silverback scoop including a stop at the tap and going down a wrong branch. Squeezing through a pitch head to descend 7m into a dusty tight canyon with a tackle sack full of heavy gear, I did wonder what I was doing, but once the drill was out that fell away completely.
@ -1884,7 +1862,7 @@ thru bolts used 16
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-31c">2023-07-31</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-07-31c">2023-07-31</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Botch</u>,,Becka,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Botch</u>,Becka,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Fuck Keanu - U/G camp Day 1</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Fuck Keanu - U/G camp Day 1</div>
After getting underground late the light befroe we got going relatively promptly at 0830. After getting underground late the light befroe we got going relatively promptly at 0830.
We were supposed to check Keanu Breezze, a wet lead that was supposed to be decent. We were supposed to check Keanu Breezze, a wet lead that was supposed to be decent.
@ -1909,7 +1887,7 @@ We got back to camp around 2030 and made dinner with a very wet Rob springint in
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-01a">2023-08-01</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-01a">2023-08-01</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Nathan Walker,Manfred Wuits,Adam Aldridge,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Nathan Walker,Manfred Wuits,,Adam Aldridge,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Surface - Hike to Garlic</div> <div class="triptitle">Surface - Hike to Garlic</div>
<br /><br />Woke up to see a sub-optimal forecast. Somehow I was convinced that hiking to Garlic Cave Camp was of course the best course of action to take, so we set off. It was actually dry for the first third or so to fishface gear dump to collect our caving gear, but this did not last. <br /><br />Woke up to see a sub-optimal forecast. Somehow I was convinced that hiking to Garlic Cave Camp was of course the best course of action to take, so we set off. It was actually dry for the first third or so to fishface gear dump to collect our caving gear, but this did not last.
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@ -1921,7 +1899,7 @@ The path is a little treacherous in the wet, so it was a little slow going and s
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-01b">2023-08-01</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-01b">2023-08-01</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Lea</u>,,Botch,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Lea</u>,Botch,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Bavarian Gentian</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Bavarian Gentian</div>
Descended big pitch pitch rigged by Both and started surveying the chamber. Descended big pitch pitch rigged by Both and started surveying the chamber.
It was a wet day and we heard the water at the back of the pitch start flowing with more energy. We surveyed a rift at water level. Didn't finish surveying it and lleft it as a QM. We surveyed the rift at the back of the chamber which led bback to coconut chamber? It was a wet day and we heard the water at the back of the pitch start flowing with more energy. We surveyed a rift at water level. Didn't finish surveying it and lleft it as a QM. We surveyed the rift at the back of the chamber which led bback to coconut chamber?
@ -1936,7 +1914,7 @@ Very nice caving day. Went back to top camp after 2 nights in underground camp.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-01c">2023-08-01</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-01c">2023-08-01</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,,Luke,Rob,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,Luke,,Rob,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Pushing the bottom of FishFace - camp #2 - part 2</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Pushing the bottom of FishFace - camp #2 - part 2</div>
After a slowish start we surveyed [?] Delicate steve After a slowish start we surveyed [?] Delicate steve
Rob's traverese into a phreatic window opposite the [clap?] my pich up pitch [ahead?], reapeating the Rob and Kai survey that had been deemed inadequate. Rob's traverese into a phreatic window opposite the [clap?] my pich up pitch [ahead?], reapeating the Rob and Kai survey that had been deemed inadequate.
@ -1951,7 +1929,7 @@ I got all the rope back to camp + sorted it to prusik out (beasing bags) + some
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02a">2023-08-02</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02a">2023-08-02</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Manfred Wuits,Adam Aldridge,Nathan Walker,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Manfred Wuits,Adam Aldridge,,Nathan Walker,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Buzzard - dropping Buzzard Hole on the northerly Kleiner Wildkogel ridge</div> <div class="triptitle">Buzzard - dropping Buzzard Hole on the northerly Kleiner Wildkogel ridge</div>
<br /><br />After our lovely sleep, we woke up to dry weather, and set off to the top of the ridge above Garlic. Carrying the thick, wet 90m up the mountain was not conducive to good balance so I did fall over in the bunde and struggle to get back up. We reached Buzzard, Adam rigged it, first to the bunde, then hand bolting whilst we waited patiently. The improvement in weather did give a lovely backdrop of the Braeuningzinken for photos. Nathan went down next, followed by Manfred whilst I stayed outside enjoying the view. Upon Adam's return, I swiftly fell asleep, and awoke to find Nathan and Manfred had finished their survey and were finalising some sketches. Adam spotted some interesting holes beneath us on the plateau, so wet set off to prospect (see next entry). <br /><br />After our lovely sleep, we woke up to dry weather, and set off to the top of the ridge above Garlic. Carrying the thick, wet 90m up the mountain was not conducive to good balance so I did fall over in the bunde and struggle to get back up. We reached Buzzard, Adam rigged it, first to the bunde, then hand bolting whilst we waited patiently. The improvement in weather did give a lovely backdrop of the Braeuningzinken for photos. Nathan went down next, followed by Manfred whilst I stayed outside enjoying the view. Upon Adam's return, I swiftly fell asleep, and awoke to find Nathan and Manfred had finished their survey and were finalising some sketches. Adam spotted some interesting holes beneath us on the plateau, so wet set off to prospect (see next entry).
<div class="timeug">T/U: 3.0 hours</div> <div class="timeug">T/U: 3.0 hours</div>
@ -1960,7 +1938,7 @@ I got all the rope back to camp + sorted it to prusik out (beasing bags) + some
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02b">2023-08-02</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02b">2023-08-02</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Nathan Walker,Manfred Wuits,Adam Aldridge,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Nathan Walker,Manfred Wuits,,Adam Aldridge,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Surface - Prospecting east and south of Kleiner Wildkogel</div> <div class="triptitle">Surface - Prospecting east and south of Kleiner Wildkogel</div>
<br /><br />After dropping Buzzard, the fours of us decided to drop down the north face of the ridge, heading east at first, then split to form two prospecting <br /><br />After dropping Buzzard, the fours of us decided to drop down the north face of the ridge, heading east at first, then split to form two prospecting
groups, Adam and I heading further east to wrap around to the south face of the ridge, and Nathan and Manfred following the north face westwards to groups, Adam and I heading further east to wrap around to the south face of the ridge, and Nathan and Manfred following the north face westwards to
@ -1980,7 +1958,7 @@ that seem to follow a rift along the base of Wildkogel, then back to Garlic camp
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02c">2023-08-02</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02c">2023-08-02</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Hannah Collings</u>,,Nadia Raeburn,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Hannah Collings</u>,Nadia Raeburn,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface Camp - Pushing Theophilus Goon</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface Camp - Pushing Theophilus Goon</div>
<br /><br />Tuesday was another wet day so a day of top camp fettling was had whilst plans were made for a fish face camp the following day. We had a (fairly) efficient morning, departing top camp shortly after 10 having received a debrief from the previous camp group, who had returned in the early hours, on the state of the latest leads. <br /><br />Tuesday was another wet day so a day of top camp fettling was had whilst plans were made for a fish face camp the following day. We had a (fairly) efficient morning, departing top camp shortly after 10 having received a debrief from the previous camp group, who had returned in the early hours, on the state of the latest leads.
@ -2001,7 +1979,7 @@ that seem to follow a rift along the base of Wildkogel, then back to Garlic camp
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02d">2023-08-02</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02d">2023-08-02</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,,Luke,Lea,Adam E,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Becka</u>,Luke,Lea,,Adam E,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Plateau - Prospecting around FishFace</div> <div class="triptitle">Plateau - Prospecting around FishFace</div>
A mellow, pleasant wander in the sunshine, we found + sechecked 2019-CUCC-RH-01 (GPS 47.69156 13.81210 alt 1659) - this was (still) a p4 to a ramp fown to a choke. A mellow, pleasant wander in the sunshine, we found + sechecked 2019-CUCC-RH-01 (GPS 47.69156 13.81210 alt 1659) - this was (still) a p4 to a ramp fown to a choke.
We then [found?] 2023-BL-10 Lea + Adam EK dropped a p5 to a 5*5m loose chamber with a crwal to the N to a 2*4m chamber 4m high with no way on. We then [found?] 2023-BL-10 Lea + Adam EK dropped a p5 to a 5*5m loose chamber with a crwal to the N to a 2*4m chamber 4m high with no way on.
@ -2013,7 +1991,7 @@ Luke then [...] a more direct, better route to Homecoming as he and I ferried ou
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02e">2023-08-02</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-02e">2023-08-02</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Botch</u>,,Rob,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Botch</u>,Rob,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Plateau - Cold Shallow Holes</div> <div class="triptitle">Plateau - Cold Shallow Holes</div>
prospecting N of FishFace prospecting N of FishFace
After gettinng out of a 48h camp we were a bit knackered so wanted t do some prospecting. After gettinng out of a 48h camp we were a bit knackered so wanted t do some prospecting.
@ -2036,7 +2014,7 @@ They showed us a promising potential bivvy site too.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-03a">2023-08-03</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-03a">2023-08-03</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Nathan Walker,Adam Aldridge,David Botcherby,Becka Lawson,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Becka Lawson,Nathan Walker,Adam Aldridge,,David Botcherby,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Garlic - Fettling</div> <div class="triptitle">Garlic - Fettling</div>
<br /><br />Woke up. 10am. It was rainy :( <br /><br />Woke up. 10am. It was rainy :(
@ -2053,7 +2031,7 @@ did also later. I took some photos and made some shoddy diagrams of the tarps. G
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-03b">2023-08-03</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-03b">2023-08-03</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Lea</u>,,Ben C,Manfred,Adam E,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Lea</u>,Ben C,Manfred,,Adam E,</div>
<div class="triptitle">FishFace - Channel number 2 (continuing Cocoa_channel)</div> <div class="triptitle">FishFace - Channel number 2 (continuing Cocoa_channel)</div>
Descended fishface antrance series with tourist trip (adam B, Sam Lee, Kai). Had a snack in the kitchen and went to the end of cocoa_channel. Descended fishface antrance series with tourist trip (adam B, Sam Lee, Kai). Had a snack in the kitchen and went to the end of cocoa_channel.
Ben bolted new travers lines, adam EJ was on nail polish duty, manfred had Wookey's disto and I was doing the notes (for the first time). Ben bolted new travers lines, adam EJ was on nail polish duty, manfred had Wookey's disto and I was doing the notes (for the first time).
@ -2070,7 +2048,7 @@ Adam EJ derigged and we came back to top camp.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-03c">2023-08-03</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-03c">2023-08-03</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Nathan</u>,,Becka,Botch,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Nathan</u>,Becka,,Botch,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Pushing/derigging trip down Homecoming - Goosebox - Sticky trigger</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Pushing/derigging trip down Homecoming - Goosebox - Sticky trigger</div>
Having no plans to cave at Garlic camp I set off for homecoming with no plans, a bag full og gear of hope. Having no plans to cave at Garlic camp I set off for homecoming with no plans, a bag full og gear of hope.
I met becka as they were descending the entrance and joined their pushing/derigging trip to their evident relief. I met becka as they were descending the entrance and joined their pushing/derigging trip to their evident relief.
@ -2091,7 +2069,7 @@ We surfaced near 10 and I returned to Garlic with becka.
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-03d">2023-08-03</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-03d">2023-08-03</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Rob</u>,,Chi,Luke,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Rob</u>,Chi,,Luke,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Homecoming - second coming shitshow</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Homecoming - second coming shitshow</div>
Chi had come up to top camp hoping to continue pushing 2nd comng with some people who might help him carry the gear out after, unlike some. Chi had come up to top camp hoping to continue pushing 2nd comng with some people who might help him carry the gear out after, unlike some.
So we set off in the drizzle for Homecoming entrance, making use of part of the shortcut to the [?] that we scouted when dropping off our gear at the entrance the day before. So we set off in the drizzle for Homecoming entrance, making use of part of the shortcut to the [?] that we scouted when dropping off our gear at the entrance the day before.
@ -2140,7 +2118,7 @@ thru bolts used: 2
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-04a">2023-08-04</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-04a">2023-08-04</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,,Hannah Collings,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Joe Stell</u>,Hannah Collings,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Basecamp - Garlic Guide</div> <div class="triptitle">Basecamp - Garlic Guide</div>
<br /><br />Following a swift departure from Garlic in the morning, and an even swifter (and sweaty) hike across the plateau carrying the thick 90m rope with <br /><br />Following a swift departure from Garlic in the morning, and an even swifter (and sweaty) hike across the plateau carrying the thick 90m rope with
all my other kit, I partially completed the garlic camp guide. Only the badly taken photos and badly drawn diagrams to add. I think I'll redraw the all my other kit, I partially completed the garlic camp guide. Only the badly taken photos and badly drawn diagrams to add. I think I'll redraw the
@ -2166,7 +2144,7 @@ The website currently on shows 3,233.2 m <a href="https://expo.survex.com/wallet
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-06a">2023-08-06</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-06a">2023-08-06</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Charlie</u>,,Adam E,Nathan W,Ben C,Adam B,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Charlie</u>,Adam B,Adam E,Nathan W,,Ben C,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - The Three-Day Bound for The Four-Day Week-End</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - The Three-Day Bound for The Four-Day Week-End</div>
-It all begins in the tatty hut, several gossers short of a brewery. "let's go up in the weather window!" charlie had not done enough caving and wanted to camp in FF. "We'll call it the three-day bounce"."then we'll have a four-day weekend!" "We go to find the four day weekend!" -It all begins in the tatty hut, several gossers short of a brewery. "let's go up in the weather window!" charlie had not done enough caving and wanted to camp in FF. "We'll call it the three-day bounce"."then we'll have a four-day weekend!" "We go to find the four day weekend!"
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@ -2250,7 +2228,7 @@ After about 20 legs Rob had finished his rigging and came and collected Botch to
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-06c">2023-08-06</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-06c">2023-08-06</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Hannah Collings</u>,,Nadia Raeburn,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Hannah Collings</u>,Nadia Raeburn,,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Fishface - Camp: Muddy Goons</div> <div class="triptitle">Fishface - Camp: Muddy Goons</div>
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@ -2290,7 +2268,7 @@ The pitches back to camp were painful, despite their shortness, due to our mud c
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-08a">2023-08-08</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-08a">2023-08-08</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Sam</u>,,Becka,Adam A,Hannah,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Sam</u>,Becka,Adam A,,Hannah,</div>
<div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Homecoming push Derig - Watershed</div> <div class="triptitle">Homecoming - Homecoming push Derig - Watershed</div>
After a big (double noodle) breakfast we packed all three of our through-bolts ... and headed down from garlic to Homecoming. Our mission was simple, push a lead in watershed, then derig Waterershed and the top of the entrace series. Our lack of through-bolts did not deter us. After a big (double noodle) breakfast we packed all three of our through-bolts ... and headed down from garlic to Homecoming. Our mission was simple, push a lead in watershed, then derig Waterershed and the top of the entrace series. Our lack of through-bolts did not deter us.
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@ -2504,7 +2482,7 @@ expo suggestion - double sized both container bags 6 no. [?] (current bags don't
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<div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-10a">2023-08-10</div> <div class="tripdate" id="2023-08-10a">2023-08-10</div>
<div class="trippeople"><u>Rob Watson</u>,,Nadia Raeburn,David Botcherby,Kai Trusson,</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Rob Watson</u>,Nadia Raeburn,David Botcherby,,Kai Trusson,</div>
<div class="triptitle">fishface - Connecting FF to SMK: a step further</div> <div class="triptitle">fishface - Connecting FF to SMK: a step further</div>
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