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+<head>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8" />
+<title>
+IMG_20240725_121354.jpg
+</title>
+<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/main2.css" />
+</head>
+
+<body>
+<H1>IMG_20240725_121354.jpg</H1>
+<div class="centre"><img alt="" src="/1623/227/i/IMG_20240725_121354.jpg" />
+</div>
+
+<p><br />1701m above sea-level</br />2024:07:25 10:13:50 +00:00 UTC<br />
+
+2024:07:25 12:13:54 +02:00</p>
+
+
+<p class="caption">Photo &copy; Philip Sargent, 2024</p>
+
+
+<hr />
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
+<html>
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8" />
+<title>
+Tag
+</title>
+<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/main2.css" />
+</head>
+
+<body>
+<H1>Tag</H1>
+<div class="centre"><img alt="" src="/1623/227/i/IMG_20240725_121429.jpg" />
+</div>
+
+<p>as seen in 2024<br />1701m above sea-level</br />2024:07:25 10:13:50 +00:00 UTC<br />
+
+2024:07:25 12:14:30 +02:00</p>
+
+
+<p class="caption">Photo &copy; Philip Sargent, 2024</p>
+
+
+<hr />
+</body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8" />
+<title>
+IMG_20240725_121439.jpg
+</title>
+<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/main2.css" />
+</head>
+
+<body>
+<H1>IMG_20240725_121439.jpg</H1>
+<div class="centre"><img alt="" src="/1623/227/i/IMG_20240725_121439.jpg" />
+</div>
+
+<p>Not an obviously enticing entrance<br />1701m above sea-level</br />2024:07:25 10:13:50 +00:00 UTC<br />
+
+2024:07:25 12:14:39 +02:00</p>
+
+
+<p class="caption">Photo &copy; Philip Sargent, 2024</p>
+
+
+<hr />
+</body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8" />
+<title>
+IMG_20240725_121451.jpg
+</title>
+<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/main2.css" />
+</head>
+
+<body>
+<H1>IMG_20240725_121451.jpg</H1>
+<div class="centre"><img alt="" src="/1623/227/i/IMG_20240725_121451.jpg" />
+</div>
+
+<p>Tag by foot, view towards Zinken<br />1701m above sea-level</br />2024:07:25 10:14:51 +00:00 UTC<br />
+
+2024:07:25 12:14:52 +02:00</p>
+
+
+<p class="caption">Photo &copy; Philip Sargent, 2024</p>
+
+
+<hr />
+</body>
+</html>
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index a22dac65a..8d6892a4d 100644
--- a/cave_data/1623-227.html
+++ b/cave_data/1623-227.html
@@ -1,17 +1,25 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
+<!-- ALTERNATIVELY you can download an example template from expoweb/templates/cave_data.html -->
 <!-- Only put one cave in this file -->
-<!-- If you edit this file, make sure you update the websites database -->
+<!-- If you edit this 162x-nnn.html file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
+make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
+though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
 <html lang="en">
 <head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> using the form documented at
+the form documented at 
+<a href="/handbook/survey/caveentry.html">handbook/survey/caveentry.html</a>
+<br>
+
 <cave>
 <non_public>False</non_public>
-<caveslug>1623-227</caveslug>
+
 <official_name>Faultienschacht</official_name>
 <area>1623</area>
-<area>1a</area>
 <kataster_code></kataster_code>
 <kataster_number>227</kataster_number> 
 <unofficial_number>1999OB04</unofficial_number>
@@ -22,19 +30,17 @@
 </entrance>
 
 <explorers>Discovered by CUCC, explored by Olly Betts and Erin Lynch</explorers>
+<survex_file></survex_file>
 <underground_description></underground_description>
 <equipment></equipment>
 <references></references>
-<survey></survey>
-<kataster_status></kataster_status>
-<underground_centre_line></underground_centre_line>
+<survey>Entrance tag is 5m from surveyed entrance location, which is significant in this thick bunde with lots of nearby holes.</survey>
 <notes></notes>
 <length></length>
 <depth></depth>
 <extent></extent>
-<survex_file></survex_file>
+
 <description_file></description_file>
-<url>1623/227/227.html</url>
 </cave>
 </body>
 </html>
diff --git a/entrance_data/1623-227.html b/entrance_data/1623-227.html
index 25bb90c42..8ee9ceb0f 100644
--- a/entrance_data/1623-227.html
+++ b/entrance_data/1623-227.html
@@ -1,23 +1,36 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
 <!-- Only put one entrance in this file -->
-<!-- If you edit this file, make sure you update the websites database -->
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle  using the form documented at handbook/survey/ententry.html -->
+<!-- If you edit this file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
+make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
+though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
+
+    <!-- See http://expo.survex.com/handbook/survey/caveentryfields.html for current details on filling in this form -->
+    <!-- there is 1 required field: slug. The entrance will not appear without that. -->
+    <!-- ALWAYS use &uuml; for u+Umlaut and &ouml; for o+umlaut eg H&ouml;hle for Hohle and Gl&uuml;ck for Gluck-->
+
 <html lang="en">
 <head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b>  using the form documented at 
+<a href="/handbook/survey/ententry.html">handbook/survey/ententry.html</a>
+<br>
 <entrance>
 <non_public>False</non_public>
-
-
+<slug>1623-227</slug> <!-- one entrance and one slug per entrance_data file -->
 <name></name>
-<entrance_description></entrance_description>
+<entrance_description>Hole in thick bunde: hard to approach easily from all sides.</entrance_description>
 <explorers></explorers>
-<map_description></map_description>
-<location_description></location_description>
+<location_description><a href='/1623/227/l/IMG_20240725_121429.html'><img src='/1623/227/t/IMG_20240725_121429.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;
+<a href='/1623/227/l/IMG_20240725_121451.html'><img src='/1623/227/t/IMG_20240725_121451.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;
+<a href='/1623/227/l/IMG_20240725_121439.html'><img src='/1623/227/t/IMG_20240725_121439.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;
+<a href='/1623/227/l/IMG_20240725_121354.html'><img src='/1623/227/t/IMG_20240725_121354.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;</location_description>
+<lastvisit></lastvisit>
 <approach></approach>
 <underground_description></underground_description>
-<photo></p> <div class="centre"> <img src="ent2.jpg" /></div> <p>Photo &copy; Olly Betts 1999.</photo>
+<photo></p> <div class="centre"> <img src="ent2.jpg" /> <p>Photo &copy; Olly Betts 1999.<p>This old photo of Olly's looks much, much more like 226 than 227.</div></photo>
 <!-- marking options: P  = Paint,
                       P? = Paint (?),
                       T  = Tag,
@@ -36,14 +49,12 @@
 <findability>S</findability>
 <findability_description></findability_description>
 <alt></alt>
-<northing></northing>
-<easting></easting> 
+<lat_wgs84></lat_wgs84> 
+<long_wgs84></long_wgs84> 
 <tag_station></tag_station>
-<exact_station></exact_station>
 <other_station>1623.p227</other_station>
 <other_description></other_description>
-<bearings></bearings>
-<url></url>
+<bearings></bearings> <!-- this is now read-only and not editable on the forms-->
 </entrance>
 </body>
 </html>
