diff --git a/cave_data/1623-172.html b/cave_data/1623-172.html
index e891813ac..b00319626 100644
--- a/cave_data/1623-172.html
+++ b/cave_data/1623-172.html
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
-<!-- This file is generated by troggle on Nov. 2, 2023, 8:15 p.m. UTC using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
 <!-- Only put one cave in this file -->
-<!-- If you edit this 1623-nnn.html file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
+<!-- If you edit this 162x-nnn.html file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
 make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
 though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
 <!-- ALTERNATIVELY you can download an example template from expoweb/templates/cave_data.html -->
@@ -10,14 +10,14 @@ though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
-<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> on Nov. 2, 2023, 8:15 p.m. UTC using the form documented at
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b> using the form documented at
 the form documented at 
 <a href="/handbook/survey/caveentry.html">handbook/survey/caveentry.html</a>
 <br>
 
 <cave>
 <non_public>False</non_public><!-- 'False' or 'True'. True if the cave should only be visible to logged-in users. Caves are normally public, so enter 'False' unless you know otherwise. -->
-<caveslug>1623-172</caveslug><!--(Ignored). Internal I.D. formerlly used. Using filename''  -->
+<!--<caveslug></caveslug>--> <!-- Ignored. No longer required, we use the filename instead e.g. 1623-315 for 1623-315.html  -->
 <official_name>Plateau H&ouml;hle 90/2</official_name><!-- Name of the cave (normally in German)  Use &uuml; for u+Umlaut and &ouml; for o+umlaut eg H&ouml;hle for Hohle and Gl&uuml;ck for Gluck-->
 <area>1623</area><!-- e.g. "1623" -->
 <kataster_code>1/T +</kataster_code><!-- 'length-or-depth/type exploration'
@@ -36,12 +36,11 @@ code used in the Austrian kataster e.g '1/S +' - https://expo/.survex.com/katast
     +   erforscht (exploration considered complete)
  -->
 <kataster_number>172</kataster_number> <!-- (Either this or unofficial_number is required). Official number in Austrian kataster if one has been allocated  -->
-<unofficial_number>90/2</unofficial_number><!-- (Either this or kataster_number is required). Initial temporary cave ID used until kataster number is allocated e.g. '2012-DD-01'-->
+<unofficial_number>90/2</unofficial_number><!-- (This is any name. Either this or kataster_number is required). Initial temporary cave ID used until kataster number is allocated e.g. '2012-DD-01'-->
 
 <entrance>
   <entranceslug>1623-172</entranceslug><!-- Internal ID to refer to each entrance instance in the entrance files (typically the same as that filename (e.g. 1623-161c). Matches the 'slug' field in the entrance file -->
-  <!-- DEBUG  1623-172+1623-172 'Z' == -->
-  <letter></letter><!--Leave blank for single-entrance cave. If there is more than one entrace then the letter needs to be given. Generally matches the entranceslug ID.  -->
+  <letter></letter><!--Leave blank for single-entrance cave. If there is more than one entrance then the letter needs to be given. Must match the entranceslug ID.  -->
 </entrance>
 
 <explorers>Almost certainly seen before, but recorded CUCC 1990</explorers><!-- 'CUCC Expo' and year(s) of exploration. To distinguish from caves explored by foreign groups. Individual names can be given too if it was a small cave. -->
@@ -50,15 +49,12 @@ code used in the Austrian kataster e.g '1/S +' - https://expo/.survex.com/katast
 <equipment></equipment><!-- For a small cave, summary of gear needed to descend. For longer caves it could be blank, a table, or just refer to the description/topos. Leave blank if this info is in the description. -->
 <references></references><!-- References to documentation. Could be Journal articles or Logbook entries. Can be links if the docs are online. -->
 <survey></p><div class="centre"><img src="/1623/others/172plan.png" /></div><p>Notes in 2000#34</survey><!-- Drawn-up surveys. Scans of paper surveys or images/PDFs of electronic surveys. Should include HTML to display current plan and elevation, with links to larger versions (See section on URLs and files). Could list links to multiple years of survey, or even a separate survey page if it's complicated enough. -->
-<kataster_status></kataster_status>
-<underground_centre_line>In dataset</underground_centre_line><!-- 'In dataset' if it is in the survex dataset. Blank if not, or notes about status such as 'surveyed, but no entrance fix so not yet in dataset'. -->
-<notes></notes><!-- Normally empty, but place for anything else that should be noted, such as info on cave maybe being a duplicate, or lost -->
+<notes></notes><!-- Normally empty, but place for anything else that should be noted, such as info on cave maybe being a duplicate, or lost, and whether a kataster form has been sent to Austria for this cave -->
 <length></length><!-- Cave length. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet) -->
 <depth></depth><!--Cave depth. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet)  -->
 <extent></extent>
 
 <description_file></description_file><!-- Path of top-level description file for this cave, when a separate file is used. Otherwise blank. -->
-<url>1623/172/172.html</url><!-- (Required). Relative URL of this cave. i.e the URL this cave appears at on the website, not including 'https://expo.survex.com/. Normally area/cavenum., e.g ('1623/000')-->
 </cave>
 </body>
 </html>
diff --git a/entrance_data/1623-172.html b/entrance_data/1623-172.html
index 8cb53ab35..a4a5fc0ad 100644
--- a/entrance_data/1623-172.html
+++ b/entrance_data/1623-172.html
@@ -1,23 +1,33 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
 <!-- Only put one entrance in this file -->
-<!-- If you edit this file, make sure you update the websites database -->
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle  using the form documented at handbook/survey/ententry.html -->
+<!-- If you edit this file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
+make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
+though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
+
+    <!-- See http://expo.survex.com/handbook/survey/caveentryfields.html for current details on filling in this form -->
+    <!-- there is 1 required field: slug. The entrance will not appear without that. -->
+    <!-- ALWAYS use &uuml; for u+Umlaut and &ouml; for o+umlaut eg H&ouml;hle for Hohle and Gl&uuml;ck for Gluck-->
+
 <html lang="en">
 <head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b>  using the form documented at 
+<a href="/handbook/survey/ententry.html">handbook/survey/ententry.html</a>
+<br>
 <entrance>
 <non_public>False</non_public>
-
-
+<slug>1623-172</slug> <!-- one entrance and one slug per entrance_data file -->
 <name></name>
 <entrance_description></entrance_description>
 <explorers></explorers>
-<map_description></map_description>
-<location_description>North of <a href="171/171.html">171</a> along fault, on cliff facing north, 10m east of fault. HSK 063&deg;, Sch&ouml;nberg cross 343&deg;. Relocated from these bearings, which seem about right, in 1995.</location_description>
+<location_description>North of <a href="/1623/171/171.html">171</a> along fault, on cliff facing north, 10m east of fault. HSK 063&deg;, Sch&ouml;nberg cross 343&deg;. Relocated from these bearings, which seem about right, in 1995.</location_description>
+<lastvisit></lastvisit>
 <approach></approach>
 <underground_description></underground_description>
-<photo></p><div class="centre"><a href="others/l/172.htm"><img alt="Entrance photo" src="others/t/172.jpg" width="200" height="150" /></a><p>Entrance to 1623/172, seen in 1995</p></div><p></photo>
+<photo></p><div class="centre"><a href="/1623/others/l/172.htm"><img alt="Entrance photo" src="others/t/172.jpg" width="200" height="150" /></a><p>Entrance to 1623/172, seen in 1995</p></div><p></photo>
 <!-- marking options: P  = Paint,
                       P? = Paint (?),
                       T  = Tag,
@@ -36,14 +46,12 @@
 <findability>S</findability>
 <findability_description></findability_description>
 <alt></alt>
-<northing></northing>
-<easting></easting> 
+<lat_wgs84></lat_wgs84> 
+<long_wgs84></long_wgs84> 
 <tag_station></tag_station>
-<exact_station></exact_station>
 <other_station>1623.p172</other_station>
 <other_description></other_description>
-<bearings></bearings>
-<url></url>
+<bearings></bearings> <!-- this is now read-only and not editable on the forms-->
 </entrance>
 </body>
 </html>
