diff --git a/years/2018/logbook.html b/years/2018/logbook.html index e572293ad..7b5ff3e42 100644 --- a/years/2018/logbook.html +++ b/years/2018/logbook.html @@ -246,7 +246,7 @@ Out of rope so we surveyed out. <div class="timeug">T/U: ?? hours</div> -<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-18a">2018-07-18</div> +<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-18a">2018-07-13</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Chris Densham</u></div> <div class="triptitle">Steinbrucken Tarp Topo</div> <p> @@ -254,7 +254,7 @@ Out of rope so we surveyed out. <div class="timeug">T/U: 0 hours</div> -<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-11">2018-07-11</div> +<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-11b">2018-07-11</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Anthony Day</u>, Chris, Frank, Todd</div> <div class="triptitle">Prospecting/visiting known holes near Organhöhle</div> <p> @@ -274,6 +274,22 @@ on. Grade 2 survey completed. <div class="timeug">T/U: 0 hours</div> +<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-15a">2018-07-15</div> +<div class="trippeople"><u>Anthony Day</u>, Becka</div> +<div class="triptitle">Tunnock's Rig</div> +<p> +The ambitious plan was to rig Tunnocks as far as camp. +This was never on after I misread the log entry from last year and believed the rope for +Widow Trankey's was in the cave - it wasn't so we were a rope light. +The Number of the Beast rope went down the wrong hole when I threw it down the pitch and got stuck, neccessitating much +faffage to retrieve. The rope had also been cut and retied* necessitating a knot pass + - this rope should be replaced by the 45m rope currently at the top of String Theory. +In the end made it to the top of Inferno. Dumped camp stuff (3x pits + stove) +and headed out. + +[ * Becka: using an EDK (European Death Knot) with 8cm ends - who left it like this last year?! ] + +<div class="timeug">T/U: 11 hours</div> <div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-18b">2018-07-18</div> @@ -323,6 +339,219 @@ Continues deeper but I was in t-shirt and shorts. Slight cold outwards draft. [Photos and GPS tracks and locations recorded.] <div class="timeug">T/U: 10 mins</div> + +<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-29a">2018-07-29</div> +<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div> +<div class="triptitle">Surface prospecting along "lookfutile.svx" route</div> + +<p>Using Garmin eTrex Venture Cx GPS (WGS84) +<p>"lookfutile.svx" was surveyed by Chas and Planc in 1983 following the discovery of the futility series in 1982. +<p>This entry includes recent emails which don't otherwise have a good place to record. + +<p>Much bunde going directly down from the p115x entrance. <u>Don't do that</u>,go back along the route to +Stoger Weg and go down gully at the tree with the small cairn on it (see 115 route 18th July 2018). +<p>Generally failed to find lookfutile.svx waypoints (not even the last one with all the red paint). Something +odd with GPS mismatch - needs nerding to resolve. + +<p>Found ent. * (doesn't go) obvious above grassy slope. It is up a 2m climb in a cliff. +This is wpt A11 in gpslog: N 47.66629 E013.81128 alt.1407m. +This was looked at by Chas & Planc in 1983 and doesn't go: +"big phreatic entrance further east up the valley" from +<a href="http://expo.survex.com/years/1983/log.htm">the 1983 logbook</a> entry 1983-07-27. +<p>Many photos of this area in photo archive 2018/PhilipSargent. +<p>Survey station lookfutile.23 is apparently in open air due east of cliff top (which extends N-S). +<p>Water collection system at 115works well: decanted 3.5 litres of rainwater into bottles. About 6 litres +now stashed in 115, plus a karrimat and one-man does of flapjack and another dose ofmuesli.; also large +orange plastic survival bag. +All other gear removed. +<p>Walked back to Löser Hutte where I managed to catch the sunset drinking crowd and got a +lift back to Staudnwirt at ~21:00. Lots of big open cliffs, no bunde, grass and camping areas. + +<p>Recent emails from very old lags on this: +<pre style="font-size:small"> +On 18 July 2018 at 19:46, Charles Butcher wrote: + + Philip + + Thank you. I’m sorry you had trouble finding it. Even the traditional route to the main entrance is quite a slog, + and if you don’t remember it – I certainly couldn’t – you could be in for a real epic. As you probably found. + I hope the server repairs went well. + + Thanks also for the GPS data in your previous message, and to Andy and everyone else who has worked to + preserve this stuff. I’m astonished that we still have good records of all those muddy survey pages + from so long ago. And to see it all connect with Google mapping is really impressive. + + Safe trip home + + Chas + +On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, 10:31 Andy Waddington, wrote: + + Sometime before sending, Philip Sargent typed (and on Sunday 2018-07-01 at 08:46:16 sent): + + > Any comments on the 115 entrances? + + I really can't remember any of this without reading + the stuff on the website - but that stuff is available to + everyone (unreliable memory is exactly why this stuff + was all put there - but in the early days, which would + cover the 115 period, we naively thought we would + remember everything, that the same people would be + going back, and that we didn't need to write everything + down - though actual surveys were properly recorded). + + Where survey data was corrected for fridge north, that + should be recorded in the survey notes. That was such + a bizarre correction that I don't think it would ever have + been done without explaining it. The Futility series survey + had two compasses, Suunto 422903 and Chas' Silva 15T. + Had there been a major discrepancy between them, I + think they would have noticed. The bearings seem to + be the same in the Survex dataset as in the notebook. + ie. the first leg is 8.08 m on 320 at -11.5. That's from the + dataset extracted from CVS in 2001 (which is the oldest + I can find in a quick search here). I don't think corrections + to fridge north would have been made more recently + than that... 075 to Trisselberg cross is the same as the + notes, and even if the 115 entrance wasn't located + precisely, that ought to be enough to show if the error + was more than the odd degree or two. + + Not sure if the scans of this notebook are on the site. + Notes are a bit muddy, with no passage walls recorded. + + Did Arge not resurvey any of this ? + + Andy + +Philip Sargent (Gmail) +to Charles, andrew, mary5waddington + +Chas, + +[and Mary, please pass on to Andy as I don’t think any email works for him these days], + + +Update, as promised. + +Through the miracle that is survex, and the diligent curation of data* over decades by +Wadders and Wookey, I have recovered the survey points from your surface walk with Pete +on 27 July 1983 and attach as a GPX file in modern WGS84 coordinates. You can plot this +on top of a GoogleMaps photo using http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input +(or select “OSM (TF Landscape)” in the drop-down on the map to see contours). + +I will be re-tracing this slog and looking for more entrances in a week or so. +A bit lower than you went looks promising from the geology. + +[snip] + +I also attach the Futility series surveyed by us on 26 July 1983 (futility.svx) +and as resurveyed by Germans on 8th August 1999 (nutzlos.svx). But this is less +useful as GPX on Google maps as it is inside the hill of course and you would need +to use Survex/Aven itself to see it. They also seemed to have found another entrance +in 2000 which drops eventually into the phreatic stuff which they called the +Nebukad series (Nebukadnezar) and is now p115b (ent.) in the survey data. + +I hope a find a cold draft coming out of rocks at least, even if I can’t dig it out. + +Philip + +* http://expo.survex.com/repositories/home/expo/loser/shortlog/b6c8d59090c3 is an online +look at the version control system used for cave data on Loser these days. + +From: Philip Sargent (Gmail) +Sent: 21 June 2018 17:28 +To: 'Charles Butcher' +Cc: andrew@pennine; 'Wookey' +Subject: RE: Aha - futility series entrance search... + +Chas, + +Unbelievably, that surface survey you and Pete did (“lookfutile”) is a standard part of the SMK dataset. + +I can see that your final survey position was 11.7m above the drafting hole in Futility +(contrary to Andy’s notes in the file below), and 157m away horizontally. Maybe some +fridge-north corrections have been done since then. + +You were also spot-on the line where the bedding plane of 115 intersects the hillside. +So going downhill from there, maintaining a heading of 118 degrees (if possible) would +track further down that bedding plane. As I remember, the survey legs may have been +ascending, but the passage roof was coming down to the sandy floor. So the draft +connection (“Utility Entrance” ?) would be lower down. + +From: Charles Butcher +Sent: 16 June 2018 23:11 +To: Philip Sargent +Cc: andrew@pennine +Subject: Re: Aha - futility series entrance search... + +Thanks Philip. When you told me about your plan the other day it brought back memories of +thrashing around on the hillside, but I couldn’t remember what we were looking for. + +I do remember that it was harder work than being underground. I suppose a Laplander pocket saw +would be frowned on in the Naturschutzgebiet, but useful all the same. + +I assume those coordinates are relative to the entrance, or to whatever else we used as a +main datum. So if you have an accurate GPS fix for that datum, wouldn't it be quite easy +to locate the hole Pete and I made? Not that that is likely to be much use, since it’s +probably the one place we know there isn’t an entrance… + +Anyway, good luck and keep us posted! + +Best +Chas + +You wrote: +stumbled on this: + http://expo.survex.com /years/1983/log.htm + + 1983-07-27 | Surface survey and Prospecting below 115. | Chas, Pete + The aim was to find the end of the Futility Series popping out of the hillside below 115. + We surface surveyed down to a permanent station, marked with bolt hole and lots of red paint: P1983/1. + This was almost directly below 115 and on the edge of the big trees. + It was at E77.2, N-237.3, H -195.8, whereas the end of the Futility Series was at G30: E 139.7, N -54.2, H-187.8. + So we were (!) at the right place, but the cave end was 180m into the hillside. + We had a good look round but didn't find any signs of caves there. + So we looked at a big phreatic entrance further east (up the valley) and ~50m higher. + This was looked at in 1982, but a bit of proddling released lots of boulders + we were able to + follow up a narrowing bedding plane at ~60°, for 10m until it got too loose/small. + Very difficult descent on scree to the end of the Altausseer See + then the Schniderwirt for Weizen Bier. + Pete + +and Wookey thinks some Germans had a look around there too in later years +Unfortunately we use WGS84 GPS lat./long. these days so I’m not sure I’ll be able to find this +35-year old red paint. + +I’m hoping to use better geology and modern surveying to find where the bedding plane intersects +the surface this year. I’m going out for 4-5 weeks. +Philip +</pre> + + + +<div class="timeug">T/U: 0 hours</div> + +<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-28a">2018-07-28</div> +<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div> +<div class="triptitle">At basecamp - network nerding</div> + +<p> +Tested Wookey's TP-link 200 Mbps HomePlug devices between potato hut & mains socket above +the washing machine in the gents' toilet at the Gasthof. It works: +the 2nd green light lights up indicating communications OK. +<p>Previously had tested between potato hut mains and socket in potato hut loft - also worked. +<p>To do: repeat test with a laptop at each end (needs ethernet socket in laptop) +to test actual useable bandwidth. + +<div class="timeug">T/U: 0</div> +<div class="timeug">T/U: 0 hours</div> + +<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-30a">2018-07-30</div> +<div class="trippeople"><u>Paul Fox</u></div> +<div class="triptitle">At basecamp - expo laptop</div> + +<p>mq extension enabled on mercurial by Paul Fox. + <div class="tripdate" id="t2018-08-01a">2018-08-01</div> <div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div> <div class="triptitle">Solo walking in Stumern Alm area</div>