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@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
+<html>
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8" />
+<title>
+Where the entrance is said to be..
+</title>
+<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/main2.css" />
+</head>
+
+<body>
+<H1>Where the entrance is said to be..</H1>
+<div class="centre"><img alt="" src="/1623/2005-01/i/putative_location.jpg" />
+</div>
+
+<p>This is clearly way out.</p>
+
+
+<p class="caption">Photo &copy; Philip Sargent, 2025</p>
+
+
+<hr />
+</body>
+</html>
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diff --git a/cave_data/1623-2005-01.html b/cave_data/1623-2005-01.html
index 7f2a6991f..d5dfb2724 100644
--- a/cave_data/1623-2005-01.html
+++ b/cave_data/1623-2005-01.html
@@ -1,10 +1,10 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
 <!-- This file is generated by troggle using the form documented at /handbook/survey/caveentry.html -->
+<!-- ALTERNATIVELY you can download an example template from expoweb/templates/cave_data.html -->
 <!-- Only put one cave in this file -->
 <!-- If you edit this 162x-nnn.html file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
 make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
 though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
-<!-- ALTERNATIVELY you can download an example template from expoweb/templates/cave_data.html -->
 <html lang="en">
 <head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
@@ -16,45 +16,31 @@ the form documented at
 <br>
 
 <cave>
-<non_public>False</non_public><!-- 'False' or 'True'. True if the cave should only be visible to logged-in users. Caves are normally public, so enter 'False' unless you know otherwise. -->
-<!--<caveslug></caveslug>--> <!-- Ignored. No longer required, we use the filename instead e.g. 1623-315 for 1623-315.html  -->
-<official_name></official_name><!-- Name of the cave (normally in German)  Use &uuml; for u+Umlaut and &ouml; for o+umlaut eg H&ouml;hle for Hohle and Gl&uuml;ck for Gluck-->
-<area>1623</area><!-- e.g. "1623" -->
-<kataster_code>1/S + (?)</kataster_code><!-- 'length-or-depth/type exploration'
-code used in the Austrian kataster e.g '1/S +' - https://expo/.survex.com/katast.htm
+<non_public>False</non_public>
 
-    T   Trockenh&ouml;hlen (Dry caves)
-    W   Wasserh&ouml;hlen (Caves with water)
-   (W)  Zeitweilig aktiv Wasserh&ouml;hlen (Caves with seasonal water)
-    E   Eishohlen (Caves with ice formations)
-    S   Schachth&ouml;hlen (Caves with pitches)
-    H   Halbh&ouml;hlen (Rock shelters ?)
-
-    -   unerforscht (unexplored)
-    =   befahren (visited)
-    ×   teilweise vermessen (partly surveyed)
-    +   erforscht (exploration considered complete)
- -->
-<kataster_number></kataster_number> <!-- (Either this or unofficial_number is required). Official number in Austrian kataster if one has been allocated  -->
-<unofficial_number>2005-01</unofficial_number><!-- (This is any name. Either this or kataster_number is required). Initial temporary cave ID used until kataster number is allocated e.g. '2012-DD-01'-->
+<official_name></official_name>
+<area>1623</area>
+<kataster_code>1/S + (?)</kataster_code>
+<kataster_number></kataster_number> 
+<unofficial_number>2005-01</unofficial_number>
 
 <entrance>
-  <entranceslug>1623-2005-01</entranceslug><!-- Internal ID to refer to each entrance instance in the entrance files (typically the same as that filename (e.g. 1623-161c). Matches the 'slug' field in the entrance file -->
-  <letter></letter><!--Leave blank for single-entrance cave. If there is more than one entrance then the letter needs to be given. Must match the entranceslug ID.  -->
+  <entranceslug>1623-2005-01</entranceslug>
+  <letter></letter>
 </entrance>
 
-<explorers>CUCC 2005 Mark S, Emma</explorers><!-- 'CUCC Expo' and year(s) of exploration. To distinguish from caves explored by foreign groups. Individual names can be given too if it was a small cave. -->
-<survex_file>caves-1623/2005-01/2005-01.svx</survex_file><!-- Name of top-level survey file for this cave. Relative to the 'loser' survex repository. So for most caves that's "caves-162x/cavenum/cavnum.svx". (e.g. caves-1623/204/204.svx -->
-<underground_description></underground_description><!-- Underground description. (description of approach and entrance goes in entrance file). For a small cave this will be the entire description. For larger caves it will be the front page of the description, or a short intro, containing links to other pages with the cave description in, or even nothing but a link. -->
-<equipment></equipment><!-- For a small cave, summary of gear needed to descend. For longer caves it could be blank, a table, or just refer to the description/topos. Leave blank if this info is in the description. -->
-<references></references><!-- References to documentation. Could be Journal articles or Logbook entries. Can be links if the docs are online. -->
-<survey>NOTES MISSING!<br />Still not found any, 2024-12-21 Philip S.</survey><!-- Drawn-up surveys. Scans of paper surveys or images/PDFs of electronic surveys. Should include HTML to display current plan and elevation, with links to larger versions (See section on URLs and files). Could list links to multiple years of survey, or even a separate survey page if it's complicated enough. -->
-<notes></notes><!-- Normally empty, but place for anything else that should be noted, such as info on cave maybe being a duplicate, or lost, and whether a kataster form has been sent to Austria for this cave -->
-<length></length><!-- Cave length. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet) -->
-<depth></depth><!--Cave depth. Can be left blank and system should fill it in automatically from survey data (it doesn't yet)  -->
+<explorers>CUCC 2005 Mark S, Emma</explorers>
+<survex_file>caves-1623/2005-01/2005-01.svx</survex_file>
+<underground_description></underground_description>
+<equipment></equipment>
+<references></references>
+<survey>NOTES MISSING!<br />Still not found any, 2024-12-21 Philip S.</survey>
+<notes></notes>
+<length></length>
+<depth></depth>
 <extent></extent>
 
-<description_file></description_file><!-- Path of top-level description file for this cave, when a separate file is used. Otherwise blank. -->
+<description_file></description_file>
 </cave>
 </body>
 </html>
diff --git a/entrance_data/1623-2005-01.html b/entrance_data/1623-2005-01.html
index be7a8f87e..907ee85a0 100644
--- a/entrance_data/1623-2005-01.html
+++ b/entrance_data/1623-2005-01.html
@@ -1,20 +1,33 @@
 <!DOCTYPE html>
 <!-- Only put one entrance in this file -->
-<!-- If you edit this file, make sure you update the websites database -->
+<!-- This file is generated by troggle  using the form documented at handbook/survey/ententry.html -->
+<!-- If you edit this file by hand, and manually upload it to the server using git,
+make sure you update the database by doing a full data import. If you edit it using the online form
+though, you do not need to do a data import as it happens automatically -->
+
+    <!-- See http://expo.survex.com/handbook/survey/caveentryfields.html for current details on filling in this form -->
+    <!-- there is 1 required field: slug. The entrance will not appear without that. -->
+    <!-- ALWAYS use &uuml; for u+Umlaut and &ouml; for o+umlaut eg H&ouml;hle for Hohle and Gl&uuml;ck for Gluck-->
+
 <html lang="en">
 <head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
 </head>
 <body>
+<b>This file is generated by troggle</b>  using the form documented at 
+<a href="/handbook/survey/ententry.html">handbook/survey/ententry.html</a>
+<br>
 <entrance>
 <non_public>False</non_public>
-
-
-<name></name>
+<slug>1623-2005-01</slug> <!-- one entrance and one slug per entrance_data file -->
+<name>2005-01</name>
 <entrance_description></entrance_description>
 <explorers></explorers>
-<map_description></map_description>
-<location_description></location_description>
+<location_description>Location in the survex file is given as <var>Locn:	Totes Gebirge, Austria - Loser/Augst-Eck Plateau (kataster group 1623)</var> which does not match the GPS coordinates of 1623.p2005-01 which are far over beyond the Augst Eck ridge:
+<br /><a href='/1623/2005-01/l/putative_location.html'><img src='/1623/2005-01/t/putative_location.jpg' /></a>&nbsp;
+<p>
+ There are no logbook trips with Mark and Emma in 2005, just the <a href="/survexfile/caves-1623/2005-01/2005-01.svx">survexfile 2005-01.svx</a> on 27th July 2005.<p></location_description>
+<lastvisit></lastvisit>
 <approach></approach>
 <underground_description></underground_description>
 <photo></photo>
@@ -27,23 +40,21 @@
                       S? = Spit (?),
                       U  = Unmarked,
                       ?  = Unknown" -->
-<marking></marking> 
+<marking>P</marking> 
 <marking_comment></marking_comment>
 <!-- findability options: ? = To be confirmed ...,
                           S = Surveyed,
                           L = Lost,
                           R = Refindable" -->
-<findability></findability>
+<findability>?</findability>
 <findability_description></findability_description>
 <alt></alt>
-<northing></northing>
-<easting></easting> 
+<lat_wgs84></lat_wgs84> 
+<long_wgs84></long_wgs84> 
 <tag_station></tag_station>
-<exact_station></exact_station>
 <other_station>1623.p2005-01</other_station>
 <other_description></other_description>
-<bearings></bearings>
-<url></url>
+<bearings></bearings> <!-- this is now read-only and not editable on the forms-->
 </entrance>
 </body>
 </html>
