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<center><h2>Bristol Exploration Club</h2></center>
<h1>Bristol Exploration Club</h1>
The <a href="http://web.ukonline.co.uk/john/index.htm">Bristol Exploration
Club</a> is one of the "elder clubs" of Mendip. They foster their own
reputation for worldwide expeditions by their slogan "The BEC gets
everywhere" seen on stickers in the most unlikely places :-). They certainly
visited the Totes Gebirge of Austria well before expeditionary caving abroad
became commonplace.
<p>The <a href="http://web.ukonline.co.uk/john/index.htm">Bristol Exploration
Club</a> is one of the "elder clubs" of Mendip. They foster their own reputation
for worldwide expeditions by their slogan "The BEC gets everywhere" seen on
stickers in the most unlikely places :-). They certainly visited the Totes
Gebirge of Austria well before expeditionary caving abroad became
commonplace.</p>
<p>From 1965 to 1969, the BEC held expeditions to Austria, in the first
couple of years working with the Austrians in Raucherkarh&ouml;hle, then
later doing much work in the already known cave of
<a href="../../noinfo/1626/50.htm">Ahnenschacht</a>, on the slopes of
Sch&ouml;nberg, in the north of the western massif of the Totes Gebirge. This
is now a very major system, but even in 1967, it was a very serious
proposition, being remote, and with a very deep entrance shaft, which became
epic in the wet, especially when tackled on ladders, as was the way in those
days.
<p>From 1965 to 1969, the BEC held expeditions to Austria, in the first couple
of years working with the Austrians in Raucherkarh&ouml;hle, then later doing
much work in the already known cave of <a
href="../../noinfo/1626/50.htm">Ahnenschacht</a>, on the slopes of
Sch&ouml;nberg, in the north of the western massif of the Totes Gebirge. This is
now a very major system, but even in 1967, it was a very serious proposition,
being remote, and with a very deep entrance shaft, which became epic in the wet,
especially when tackled on ladders, as was the way in those days.</p>
<p>The BEC's explorations were reported in a series of articles in their
frequent (then monthly) newsletter the <b>Belfry Bulletin</b>, as well as
in other more widely available journals. Not all references in this list
have CTS numbers, as most are too early, and nobody seems inclined to
produce retrospective CTS volumes.
frequent (then monthly) newsletter the <b>Belfry Bulletin</b>, as well as in
other more widely available journals. Not all references in this list have CTS
numbers, as most are too early, and nobody seems inclined to produce
retrospective CTS volumes.</p>
<dl>
<dt><dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 214</cite>, <b>Dachstein/Hirlatz/Raucher/Koppenbr&uuml;ller/Eisriesenwelt</b>
<dt><dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 222</cite>, <b>Raucherkarh&ouml;hle</b>
<dt><dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 237 pp 93-97</cite>, <b>Ahnenschacht 1967</b>
<dt><dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 239 (Jan 1968) pp 23-26</cite>, <b>Scientific work on 1967 trip</b>
<dt><dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 246 (Sep 1968) pp 130-138</cite>, <b>Ahnenschacht 1968</b>, Alan Thomas
<dt><dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 249 (Dec 1968) pp 198-204</cite>, <b>Drainage development in the Western Totes Gebirge</b>, Mike Luckwill
<dt>69.708<dd><cite>Cave Research Group of G.B. Newsletter 116 (June 1969) pp 7-9</cite> <b>A brief account of the history of the Ahnenschacht</b>, A.R.Thomas.
<dt>69.709<dd><cite>Descent 5 (July 1969) pp 31-35</cite>, <b>British Team challenges Austria's Ahnenschacht</b>, A.R.Thomas.
<dt>69.707<dd><cite>Mendip Caving Group Newsletter 77 (August 1969) pp 1-3</cite>, <b>Austria 1969</b>, Greg Smith
<dt>69.711<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 259, (Oct 1969) pp 169-170</cite>, <b>New Austrian discovery (near Feuertal Ice Cave)</b>, Dave Yeandle.
<dt>69.704<dd><cite>Shepton Mallet Caving Club Newsletter 6(5) (Oct 1969) pp 65-70</cite>, <b>Ahnenschacht 1969 ... near Ebensee, Austria</b>, R.D.Craig
<dt>69.710<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 261 (Dec 1969) pp 200-203</cite>, <b>Ahnenschacht 1969</b>, A.R.Thomas.
<dt>69.704A<dd><cite>Shepton Mallet Caving Club Journal 4(8) (Dec 1969) pp 15-21</cite>, <b>Ahnenschacht 1969 ... near Ebensee, Austria</b>, R.D.Craig
<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 214</cite>,
<b>Dachstein/Hirlatz/Raucher/Koppenbr&uuml;ller/Eisriesenwelt</b></dd>
<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 222</cite>,
<b>Raucherkarh&ouml;hle</b></dd>
<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 237 pp 93-97</cite>, <b>Ahnenschacht 1967</b></dd>
<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 239 (Jan 1968) pp 23-26</cite>,
<b>Scientific work on 1967 trip</b></dd>
<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 246 (Sep 1968) pp 130-138</cite>,
<b>Ahnenschacht 1968</b>, Alan Thomas</dd>
<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 249 (Dec 1968) pp 198-204</cite>,
<b>Drainage development in the Western Totes Gebirge</b>, Mike
Luckwill</dd>
<dt>69.708</dt>
<dd><cite>Cave Research Group of G.B. Newsletter 116 (June 1969) pp
7-9</cite> <b>A brief account of the history of the
Ahnenschacht</b>, A.R.Thomas.</dd>
<dt>69.709</dt>
<dd><cite>Descent 5 (July 1969) pp 31-35</cite>, <b>British Team
challenges Austria's Ahnenschacht</b>, A.R.Thomas.</dd>
<dt>69.707</dt>
<dd><cite>Mendip Caving Group Newsletter 77 (August 1969) pp
1-3</cite>, <b>Austria 1969</b>, Greg Smith</dd>
<dt>69.711</dt>
<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 259, (Oct 1969) pp 169-170</cite>, <b>New
Austrian discovery (near Feuertal Ice Cave)</b>, Dave Yeandle.</dd>
<dt>69.704</dt>
<dd><cite>Shepton Mallet Caving Club Newsletter 6(5) (Oct 1969) pp
65-70</cite>, <b>Ahnenschacht 1969 ... near Ebensee, Austria</b>,
R.D.Craig</dd>
<dt>69.710</dt>
<dd><cite>Belfry Bulletin 261 (Dec 1969) pp 200-203</cite>,
<b>Ahnenschacht 1969</b>, A.R.Thomas.</dd>
<dt>69.704A</dt>
<dd><cite>Shepton Mallet Caving Club Journal 4(8) (Dec 1969) pp
15-21</cite>, <b>Ahnenschacht 1969 ... near Ebensee, Austria</b>,
R.D.Craig</dd>
</dl>
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<h1 lang=de>TRUNKEMBOLDSCHACHT</h1>
<p lang=de>Totes Gebirge West - Hintergras
<p align=right>Jean-Pierre Braun
<p><b>Profondeur </b>: -854m<br>
<b>Altitude </b>: 1610m
<p><b>Historique </b>: d&eacute;couvert en Juillet 1976 par F Vergier,
attir&eacute; par un fort courant d'air froid sortant d'une petite galerie.
Exploration du 12 au 23 Juillet 1976 par l'A.C.Toulon ( li Aragnous ), Lou
Darboun (Cavaillon) et Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie. Poursuite de
l'exploration au mois d'Ao&ucirc;t 1977 par les m&ecirc;me groupes et ces
individuels de la Tronche.
<p><b>Description </b>: Depuis 1610m, altitude d l'entr&eacute;e, jusque
-287m, rien pour engendrer l'enthusiasme, mais un courant d'air assez
sensible. Le Gouffre est entrecoup&eacute; de m&eacute;andre &eacute;troits:
P8, P12, P17, P9, P20, P3, P12, P30, P7, P6, P9, P8, P7, P5, P34, P6, P8,
P5, P9. A -287m, un P18 permet de d&eacute;boucher dans un grande salle.
L'eau disparait dans les &eacute;boulis pour r&eacute;appara&icirc;tre dans
toute une s&eacute;rie de puits arros&eacute;s dont le plus profond mesure
30m. Les crues ont emp&eacute;ch&eacute; l'exploration du fond de cette
branche à -456m, un puits d'une vingtaine de m&egrave;tre &eacute;tait
vraiment trop arros&eacute; pour &ecirc;tre descendu. A -488m, un passage
bas &eacute;tait aussi trop humide. De plus, le courant d'air &eacute;tait
faible ou nul. Dans la salle &agrave; -308m, une remont&eacute;e d'une
quinzaine de m&egrave;tres permet d'acceder &agrave; un m&eacute;andre
fossile assez large ou souffle un sensible courant d'air. Au bout de 30m ce
m&eacute;andre s'ouvre sur l'&eacute;norme puits des Naufrag&eacute;s,
P242m, d'une section moyennes de 15/25m !! Dans ce puits plusiers
arriv&eacute;es d'eau venaient vraisemblement de la premi&egrave;re branche
explor&eacute;e. Le bas du puits se re...... un diaclase. L'explo 76
s'&eacute;tait arret&eacute;e au sommet d'un puits estim&eacute; &agrave;
40m. Elle s'est poursuivie en Ao&ucirc;t 77 pour aboutir au siphon dans deux
r&eacute;seaux diff&eacute;rentes par P54, P88, P53, P25. Le fond du gouffre
se trouve &agrave; -854m, donc &agrave; l'altitude 756m, niveau de la
vall&eacute;e.
<h1 lang="de" xml:lang="de">TRUNKEMBOLDSCHACHT</h1>
<p lang="de" xml:lang="de" style="text-align: center">
Totes Gebirge West - Hintergras</p>
<p style="text-align: right"><b>Jean-Pierre Braun</b></p>
<p><b>Profondeur</b> : -854m<br />
<b>Altitude</b> : 1610m</p>
<p><b>Historique</b> : d&eacute;couvert en Juillet 1976 par F
Vergier, attir&eacute; par un fort courant d'air froid sortant
d'une petite galerie. Exploration du 12 au 23 Juillet 1976 par
l'A.C.Toulon ( li Aragnous ), Lou Darboun (Cavaillon) et
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie. Poursuite de l'exploration au mois
d'Ao&ucirc;t 1977 par les m&ecirc;me groupes et ces individuels de
la Tronche.</p>
<p><b>Description</b> : Depuis 1610m, altitude d l'entr&eacute;e,
jusque -287m, rien pour engendrer l'enthusiasme, mais un courant
d'air assez sensible. Le Gouffre est entrecoup&eacute; de
m&eacute;andre &eacute;troits: P8, P12, P17, P9, P20, P3, P12, P30,
P7, P6, P9, P8, P7, P5, P34, P6, P8, P5, P9. A -287m, un P18 permet
de d&eacute;boucher dans un grande salle. L'eau disparait dans les
&eacute;boulis pour r&eacute;appara&icirc;tre dans toute une
s&eacute;rie de puits arros&eacute;s dont le plus profond mesure
30m. Les crues ont emp&eacute;ch&eacute; l'exploration du fond de
cette branche &agrave; -456m, un puits d'une vingtaine de
m&egrave;tre &eacute;tait vraiment trop arros&eacute; pour
&ecirc;tre descendu. A -488m, un passage bas &eacute;tait aussi
trop humide. De plus, le courant d'air &eacute;tait faible ou nul.
Dans la salle &agrave; -308m, une remont&eacute;e d'une quinzaine
de m&egrave;tres permet d'acceder &agrave; un m&eacute;andre
fossile assez large ou souffle un sensible courant d'air. Au bout
de 30m ce m&eacute;andre s'ouvre sur l'&eacute;norme puits des
Naufrag&eacute;s, P242m, d'une section moyennes de 15/25m !! Dans
ce puits plusiers arriv&eacute;es d'eau venaient vraisemblement de
la premi&egrave;re branche explor&eacute;e. Le bas du puits se
re...... un diaclase. L'explo 76 s'&eacute;tait arret&eacute;e au
sommet d'un puits estim&eacute; &agrave; 40m. Elle s'est poursuivie
en Ao&ucirc;t 77 pour aboutir au siphon dans deux r&eacute;seaux
diff&eacute;rentes par P54, P88, P53, P25. Le fond du gouffre se
trouve &agrave; -854m, donc &agrave; l'altitude 756m, niveau de la
vall&eacute;e.</p>
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<li><a href="index.htm">GSAB articles list</a></li>
<li>Trunkemboldschacht :
<a href="../../noinfo/1626/117.htm">description</a>, in English</li>
<li><a href="../../1626/index.htm">Overview</a>
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<h1 lang="de">FEUERTALSYSTEM</h1>
<p lang="de">Totes Gebirge West - Feuertal - Sch&ouml;nberg
<p><b>Profondeur </b>: -913m<br>
<b>Altitude </b>: 1950m
<p><b>Historique </b>: connu d&egrave;s 1973 par les GSAB, mais non
<h1 lang="de" xml:lang="de">FEUERTALSYSTEM</h1>
<p lang="de" xml:lang="de" style="text-align: center">Totes Gebirge West -
Feuertal - Sch&ouml;nberg</p>
<p><b>Profondeur</b> : -913m<br />
<b>Altitude</b> : 1950m</p>
<p><b>Historique</b> : connu d&egrave;s 1973 par les GSAB, mais non
explor&eacute; !!!!!!!! Explor&eacute; en 76 et 77 par Lou Barboun,
A.C.Toulon, S.C.Toulon et Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie.
<p><b>Description </b>: voir <a href="fr/782012.htm">Sp&eacute;alp no. 1</a>.
Apartir de -700m, suite de petits puits jusqu'a -854m ou des conduites
forc&eacute;es m&egrave;nent apr&egrave;s quatre puits &agrave; un siphon.
Cote -913m.
A.C.Toulon, S.C.Toulon et Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie.</p>
<p><b>Description</b> : voir <a href="fr/782012.htm">Sp&eacute;alp
no. 1</a>. Apartir de -700m, suite de petits puits jusqu'a -854m ou
des conduites forc&eacute;es m&egrave;nent apr&egrave;s quatre
puits &agrave; un siphon. Cote -913m.</p>
<p>A la cote -500m, une grande galerie fossile a &eacute;t&eacute;
explor&eacute;e sur 2 km et se direige vers l'&eacute;norme r&eacute;seau du
<span lang="de"><a href="../../noinfo/1626/55.htm">Raucherkarh&ouml;hle</a></span>
(voir Sp&eacute;alp no. 1). Un puits de 211m a &eacute;t&eacute;
explor&eacute;e sur 2 km et se direige vers l'&eacute;norme
r&eacute;seau du <span lang="de" xml:lang="de"><a href=
"../../noinfo/1626/55.htm">Raucherkarh&ouml;hle</a></span> (voir
Sp&eacute;alp no. 1). Un puits de 211m a &eacute;t&eacute;
explor&eacute;, au bout de celle-ci, mais ne donne rien. La galerie
continuerait en face ! Une jonction donnerait le profondeur de -1031m.
continuerait en face ! Une jonction donnerait le profondeur de
-1031m.</p>
<p>La prospection en surface a permis de trouver deux nouvelles
entr&eacute;es: le "Velo Tracteur", 1779m d'altitude et le "Carcajau" 1735m
qui donnent tout les deux dans la grande galerie fossile.
<p>Ce gouffre n'est pas termin&eacute; et nous y verons probablement une
&eacute;quipe cette ann&eacute;e.
<p>J.C.Hans <acronym>GSAB</acronym>
<h2><span lang="de">TOTES GEBIRGE WEST</span> ou l'EXPLOSION</h2>
<p>-913, -854, -607, -565, le tout &agrave; moins de 2km de distance ! C'est
en effet les cotes atteintes par les Français au gouffre Quelli ou
<span lang="de">Feuertal</span>, au <span lang="de">Trunkemboldschacht</span>
et par nous au Gouffre Ovni, et dans une nouvelle branche de
l'<span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>. Pour tout ces gouffres voir les
entr&eacute;es: le "Velo Tracteur", 1779m d'altitude et le
"Carcajau" 1735m qui donnent tout les deux dans la grande galerie
fossile.</p>
<p>Ce gouffre n'est pas termin&eacute; et nous y verons
probablement une &eacute;quipe cette ann&eacute;e.</p>
<p>J.C.Hans <acronym>GSAB</acronym></p>
<h2><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">TOTES GEBIRGE WEST</span> ou
l'EXPLOSION</h2>
<p>-913, -854, -607, -565, le tout &agrave; moins de 2km de
distance ! C'est en effet les cotes atteintes par les
Fran&ccedil;ais au gouffre Quelli ou <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Feuertal</span>, au <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Trunkemboldschacht</span> et par nous au Gouffre Ovni, et dans
une nouvelle branche de l'<span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span>. Pour tout ces gouffres voir les
rensiegnements dans ce no. Nous avons report&eacute; l'article sur
l'<span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span> au prochain num&eacute;ro, car une
tentative de jonction va &ecirc;tre r&eacute;alis&eacute;e par une Interclub
fin Juin et nous pr&eacute;f&eacute;rons attendre les r&eacute;sultats
plut&ocirc;t que de publier plusieurs fois les m&ecirc;me topos.
<p>J.C.Hans
l'<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span> au prochain
num&eacute;ro, car une tentative de jonction va &ecirc;tre
r&eacute;alis&eacute;e par une Interclub fin Juin et nous
pr&eacute;f&eacute;rons attendre les r&eacute;sultats plut&ocirc;t
que de publier plusieurs fois les m&ecirc;me topos.</p>
<p>J.C.Hans</p>
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<li>Feuertalsystem :
<a href="../../noinfo/1626/120.htm">description</a>, in English</li>
<li><a href="../../1626/index.htm">Overview</a>
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<center><font size=-1>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) <b lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</b> 2 (1978) pp 14-19</font>
<h1 lang="fr">GOUFFRE OVNI</h1></center>
<p>The summer <acronym>GSAB</acronym> expedition to the <span lang="de">Totes
Gebirge</span> has allowed the exploration of this new cave of 565m depth.
Certainly, it is a little eclipsed by its two neighbours
(<b lang="de">Kelli</b> and <b lang="fr">Emp&eacute;gadure</b>) but it
remains no less of an accomplishment for a young team, only just broken into
their first large-scale trip.
<p style="text-align: center; font-size: 65%">
(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) <b lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</b> 2 (1978) pp 14-19</p>
<h1 lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">GOUFFRE OVNI</h1>
<p>The summer <acronym>GSAB</acronym> expedition to the <span lang=
"de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> has allowed the exploration
of this new cave of 565m depth. Certainly, it is a little eclipsed
by its two neighbours (<b lang="de" xml:lang="de">Kelli</b> and
<b lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Emp&eacute;gadure</b>) but it remains no
less of an accomplishment for a young team, only just broken into
their first large-scale trip.</p>
<p>For the location and discovery details, see the report in
<b lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</b> <acronym>GSAB-SSS</acronym>
<a href="782012.htm">number 1</a>.
<b lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</b>
<acronym>GSAB-SSS</acronym> <a href="782012.htm">number 1</a>.</p>
<h2>Description</h2>
<p>The entrance, a bedding plane unblocked because of a draught, gives access
to a series of short pitches, dry at the start, which get bigger, deeper,
wider and wetter. The first exploration of 1976 had reconnoitred to -200m to
the base of a 40m pitch (<b>The Black Hole</b>). The explorers of this year
started on the descent of a fine 60m pitch of constant shape, slightly
sloping. At the bottom of this is the only chamber of the cave : <b>The
Galactic Hall</b>. Here the cave splits into two routes, the active and the
fossil.
<p>The entrance, a bedding plane unblocked because of a draught,
gives access to a series of short pitches, dry at the start, which
get bigger, deeper, wider and wetter. The first exploration of 1976
had reconnoitred to -200m to the base of a 40m pitch (<b>The Black
Hole</b>). The explorers of this year started on the descent of a
fine 60m pitch of constant shape, slightly sloping. At the bottom
of this is the only chamber of the cave : <b>The Galactic Hall</b>.
Here the cave splits into two routes, the active and the
fossil.</p>
<h3>Active system</h3>
<p>Downstream from the chamber a drop leads to a small chamber among
boulders, the <b>Love Nest</b>. (No idea who ventured to call it this[?])
Between the boulders a 20m pitch opens, immediately followed by a 25m pitch.
In fact, the last 25m of descent drops between the walls of an immense aven
to land on a flat gravel floor. A diagonal chimney leads to a trickle of
water.
<p>A fissure marks the start of the <b>Anti-matter meander</b>, where one
immediately rejoins the underground stream. This has an average flow of two
litres per second but quite rapidly increases to 10-15 litres per second in
flood. The first part of the meander is straight and interrupted by 3 small
pitches and two drops. At the top of the first, in the roof, is the
connection with the fossil system. Quickly, the meander becomes less
amenable: high and narrow, it is plastered with mud (the anti-matter) which
makes progress quite arduous. Three pitches of 5, 14 and 10, punctuate
progress. This last, followed by a drop of 3m, gives access to a section of
passage blocked by clay. At the end of this, the stream disappers into a
fissure with tight impenetrable bends. The passage is continued by a quite
large fossil branch. After some 50m, the draught goes into an earthy hole,
the start of a big pitch of 70m in several stages.
<p>Halfway down, the pitch is rejoined by the stream which is avoided by a
parallel fossil pitch. There immediately follows another pitch of 55m,
totally wet and characterised by an elliptical cross-section and constant
slope. At the bottom, the water is engulfed by a fissure about three metres
long, followed by a tight meander which we haven't pushed.
<p>Downstream from the chamber a drop leads to a small chamber
among boulders, the <b>Love Nest</b>. (No idea who ventured to call
it this[?]) Between the boulders a 20m pitch opens, immediately
followed by a 25m pitch. In fact, the last 25m of descent drops
between the walls of an immense aven to land on a flat gravel
floor. A diagonal chimney leads to a trickle of water.</p>
<p>A fissure marks the start of the <b>Anti-matter meander</b>,
where one immediately rejoins the underground stream. This has an
average flow of two litres per second but quite rapidly increases
to 10-15 litres per second in flood. The first part of the meander
is straight and interrupted by 3 small pitches and two drops. At
the top of the first, in the roof, is the connection with the
fossil system. Quickly, the meander becomes less amenable: high and
narrow, it is plastered with mud (the anti-matter) which makes
progress quite arduous. Three pitches of 5, 14 and 10, punctuate
progress. This last, followed by a drop of 3m, gives access to a
section of passage blocked by clay. At the end of this, the stream
disappers into a fissure with tight impenetrable bends. The passage
is continued by a quite large fossil branch. After some 50m, the
draught goes into an earthy hole, the start of a big pitch of 70m
in several stages.</p>
<p>Halfway down, the pitch is rejoined by the stream which is
avoided by a parallel fossil pitch. There immediately follows
another pitch of 55m, totally wet and characterised by an
elliptical cross-section and constant slope. At the bottom, the
water is engulfed by a fissure about three metres long, followed by
a tight meander which we haven't pushed.</p>
<h3>Fossil system</h3>
<p>Upstream from the Galactic Hall, a window some metres high gives access to
a good-sized passage (3x3m on average), the <b>Little Green Men's
passage</b>. One comes up against a climb of 3m at the base of which the
trickle of water is lost into a meander cut below the fossil passage (see
below). After a narrowing and a climb, the passage ends in boulders between
which it is still possible to penetrate for a dozen metres.
<p>Upstream from the Galactic Hall, a window some metres high gives
access to a good-sized passage (3x3m on average), the <b>Little
Green Men's passage</b>. One comes up against a climb of 3m at the
base of which the trickle of water is lost into a meander cut below
the fossil passage (see below). After a narrowing and a climb, the
passage ends in boulders between which it is still possible to
penetrate for a dozen metres.</p>
<p>Back in the meander below the fossil passage: this ends at the
<b><span lang="fr">Gomette</span> pitch</b> (discovered by the <span
lang="fr">Gaumais</span>), a 60m pitch, spray-lashed in its lower part by
"the wee-wee". At the base of this pitch is the beginning of the <b>Mutants'
meander</b>. This is a passage for masochists <span lang="fr">par
excellence</span>: at the bottom, tight and suit-snagging. It ends in a
series of climbs and a 30m pitch joining the active system.
<b><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Gomette</span> pitch</b>
(discovered by the <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Gaumais</span>), a
60m pitch, spray-lashed in its lower part by "the wee-wee". At the
base of this pitch is the beginning of the <b>Mutants' meander</b>.
This is a passage for masochists <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">par
excellence</span>: at the bottom, tight and suit-snagging. It ends
in a series of climbs and a 30m pitch joining the active
system.</p>
<h2>Geology</h2>
<h3>General</h3>
<p>From the geological point of view, the <span lang="fr">Gouffre Ovni</span>
is a typical example of the karstic phenomena of the massif, and likewise of
the greater part of the karst of Austria. There isn't a zone of pitches
leading to a master-cave on an impermeable bed (of the Pyrenean type) nor
tight vertical caves (of the <span lang="fr">Vercors</span> or <span
lang="fr">Chartreuse</span> type). The primary factors in the formation are
the intense orogenic fracturing combined with a very wet climate and heavy
snow-falls since the start of the era.
<p>From the geological point of view, the <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">Gouffre Ovni</span> is a typical example of the karstic
phenomena of the massif, and likewise of the greater part of the
karst of Austria. There isn't a zone of pitches leading to a
master-cave on an impermeable bed (of the Pyrenean type) nor tight
vertical caves (of the <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Vercors</span>
or <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Chartreuse</span> type). The
primary factors in the formation are the intense orogenic
fracturing combined with a very wet climate and heavy snow-falls
since the start of the era.</p>
<p>These caves generally open by virtue of the simple form of the
discontinuities in the limestones (joints, bedding-planes). Then they enlarge
more and more by following the larger-scale phenomena (faults,
master-joints). The master-cave, when it exists, is generally only short and
near the resurgence.
<h3 lang="fr">Gouffre Ovni</h3>
<p>The entrance is in a bedding plane open for about two metres. There
follows a series of pitches, quite small, formed in a quite sinuous joint and
enlarged on bedding planes and very strong [<span lang="fr">pendage</span> -
dictionary failure] in this zone. At about -200m, the influence of another
factor starts to be felt. The pitches become bigger and bigger and the walls
cleaner and cleaner. This section is characterised by a fault running roughly
East-West (see figure 1).
<p><center><img alt="fig. 1, 3k gif" width=512 height=128
src="../ovnif1.png"></center>
<p>This fault controls the major part of the formation of the cave. In
effect, the course of the cave is hollowed out of different levels of this
fault. (figure 2)
<p><img alt="fig. 2, 3k gif" width=275 height=385 align="left" hspace=10
vspace=10 src="../ovnif2.png">
<b>Figure 2: Plan of the fault</b>
discontinuities in the limestones (joints, bedding-planes). Then
they enlarge more and more by following the larger-scale phenomena
(faults, master-joints). The master-cave, when it exists, is
generally only short and near the resurgence.</p>
<h3 lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Gouffre Ovni</h3>
<p>The entrance is in a bedding plane open for about two metres.
There follows a series of pitches, quite small, formed in a quite
sinuous joint and enlarged on bedding planes and very strong
[<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">pendage</span> - dictionary failure]
in this zone. At about -200m, the influence of another factor
starts to be felt. The pitches become bigger and bigger and the
walls cleaner and cleaner. This section is characterised by a fault
running roughly East-West (see figure 1).</p>
<div class="centre"><img alt="fig. 1, 3k gif" width="512" height="128" src=
"../ovnif1.png" /></div>
<p>This fault controls the major part of the formation of the cave.
In effect, the course of the cave is hollowed out of different
levels of this fault. (figure 2)</p>
<div class="onleft">
<img alt="fig. 2, 3k gif" width="275" height="385" src="../ovnif2.png" />
<p class="caption"><b>Figure 2: Plan of
the fault</b></p></div>
<ul>
<li>1st The Zorglub pitch and the Father Christmas chimneys.
<li>2nd The Galactic Hall and the first third of the Little Green Men's
passage (the other two thirds lie on bedding planes).
<li>3rd The pitch to pass [?] the time and the
<span lang="fr">Gaumette</span> pitch with the Mutants' meander.
<li>4th The major part of the Anti-matter meander (the unwedging of this
part [?]) by connection with the rest (plan) is [complete translation
failure - something about the fault being broken ?]
<li>1st The Zorglub pitch and the Father Christmas chimneys.</li>
<li>2nd The Galactic Hall and the first third of the Little Green
Men's passage (the other two thirds lie on bedding planes).</li>
<li>3rd The pitch to pass [?] the time and the <span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">Gaumette</span> pitch with the Mutants' meander.</li>
<li>4th The major part of the Anti-matter meander (the unwedging of
this part [?]) by connection with the rest (plan) is [complete
translation failure - something about the fault being broken
?]</li>
</ul>
<br clear="all">
<p>Following the large part of the Anti-matter meander, a very narrow zone
marks the junction with a second fault orientated <acronym>SE-NW</acronym>
which controls the rest of the cave. [next sentence is real gobbledegook to
me unless there is a misprint in the french ?] One rotted to believe
conspicuously the survey, which concerns a meander in a joint seen its
sinuosity [???]. In fact, the straight part and space of this fault is
impracticable because it overhangs continually a perpendicular of 6m whence
the lips are sloping and muddy. One is therefore obliged to borrow the bottom
in [<span lang="fr">surcreusement</span> - what a time for a dictionary
failure !]. More unwavering [lots of alternative translations for this word -
none make much sense] by an unhooking where the stream destroys itself [sinks
?]. The passage continues in the same direction always controlled by the
jointing/faulting. The zone of pitches which follows develops equally in the
lower part of the fault; [<span lang="fr">elle ait</span> is the present
subjunctive of <span lang="fr">avoir</span> - what the fuck does present
subjunctive translate as ?] well what/as/who/as/how has the appearance of a
forced conduit [phreatic passage/lift ?]
<p style="clear: both">Following the large part of the Anti-matter meander, a
very narrow zone marks the junction with a second fault orientated
<acronym>SE-NW</acronym> which controls the rest of the cave. [next sentence is
real gobbledegook to me unless there is a misprint in the french ?] One rotted
to believe conspicuously the survey, which concerns a meander in a joint seen
its sinuosity [???]. In fact, the straight part and space of this fault is
impracticable because it overhangs continually a perpendicular of 6m whence the
lips are sloping and muddy. One is therefore obliged to borrow the bottom in
[<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">surcreusement</span> - what a time for a
dictionary failure !]. More unwavering [lots of alternative translations for
this word - none make much sense] by an unhooking where the stream destroys
itself [sinks ?]. The passage continues in the same direction always controlled
by the jointing/faulting. The zone of pitches which follows develops equally
in the lower part of the fault; [<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">elle ait</span>
is the present subjunctive of <span lang="fr" xml:lang= "fr">avoir</span> -
what the fuck does present subjunctive translate as ?] well what/as/who/as/how
has the appearance of a forced conduit [phreatic passage/lift ?]</p>
<h3>Possibilities for continuation</h3>
<p>As one the remark to the observation of the survey, the main passage
continues unexplored. It appears that [present subjunctive of to be] in the
presence of a simple phenomenon of regression and so logically one should
find another series of fossil pitches dropping to the base level. (figures 3
and 4)
<center><p><img alt="Fig. 3 - 5k gif" width=460 height=480
src="ovnif3.png"><p><img alt="Fig. 4 - 3k gif" width=320 height=340
src="ovnif4.png"></center>
<p>The strength [power, force ?] of the <span lang="de">Dachsteinkalk</span>
(granular Jurassic limestone) lies next to the 700m from the entrance. [??]
<p>As one the remark to the observation of the survey, the main
passage continues unexplored. It appears that [present subjunctive
of to be] in the presence of a simple phenomenon of regression and
so logically one should find another series of fossil pitches
dropping to the base level. (figures 3 and 4)</p>
<div class="center">
<img alt="Fig. 3 - 5k gif" style="border: 2px solid black" width="460" height="480" src=
"ovnif3.png" />
&nbsp;&nbsp;<img style="border: 2px solid black" alt="Fig. 4 - 3k gif" width="320" height="340" src=
"ovnif4.png" />
</div>
<p>The strength [power, force ?] of the <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Dachsteinkalk</span> (granular Jurassic limestone) lies next
to the 700m from the entrance. [??]</p>
<h3>Meteorologie</h3>
<p><img alt="fig. 5 - 2k gif" width=265 height=435 align=right hspace=10
vspace=0 src="../ovnif5.png">
<b>Figure 5: Diagram of the draughts at the principal points of
perception:</b>
<p>As we have already said, there is a strong draught which drew our
attention to Ovni. This draught was blowing in a hot period (summer) [so] we
logically [expected] to find the presence of an intermediate entrance. Seeing
the strength of the cold draught [<span lang="fr">chass&eacute;</span>], the
existence of an upper entrance is fairly certain. Prospecting on the hillock
above the entrance didn't yield results. It concerns there of an objective to
see again because the vegetation and the snakes didn't permit us to operate
an efficient search pattern.
<p>The junction with this higher entrance must be at the level of the Little
Green Men's passage; either by the wet chimney at the bottom of the 1st fault
or in the roof of 2/3, there where the draught is lost. For the other part,
the presence at the bottom of another strong draught, suggests a lower
entrance, probably a fossil resurgence. Nevertheless these are only
suppositions, the caprices of a draught are very difficult to deal with.
<br clear="all">
<h3>Conclusions</h3>
<p>One sees from this brief analysis of the cave that the chances of a
continuation aren't minimal. Now this cave isn't extremely difficult of
access or of exploration. The work [god knows - rotted to be there mend] very
soon, but it is nevertheless a secondary objective compared with other
Austrian possibilities.
<p lang="fr">G Feller <acronym>GSAB</acronym>
<div class="onright">
<img alt="fig. 5 - 2k gif" width="265" height="435"
src="../ovnif5.png" /> <p class="caption"><b>Figure 5:
Diagram of the draughts at the principal points of
perception:</b></p></div>
<p>As we have already said, there is a strong draught which drew
our attention to Ovni. This draught was blowing in a hot period
(summer) [so] we logically [expected] to find the presence of an
intermediate entrance. Seeing the strength of the cold draught
[<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">chass&eacute;</span>], the existence
of an upper entrance is fairly certain. Prospecting on the hillock
above the entrance didn't yield results. It concerns there of an
objective to see again because the vegetation and the snakes didn't
permit us to operate an efficient search pattern.</p>
<p>The junction with this higher entrance must be at the level of
the Little Green Men's passage; either by the wet chimney at the
bottom of the 1st fault or in the roof of 2/3, there where the
draught is lost. For the other part, the presence at the bottom of
another strong draught, suggests a lower entrance, probably a
fossil resurgence. Nevertheless these are only suppositions, the
caprices of a draught are very difficult to deal with.</p>
<h3 style="clear: both">Conclusions</h3>
<p>One sees from this brief analysis of the cave that the chances
of a continuation aren't minimal. Now this cave isn't extremely
difficult of access or of exploration. The work [god knows - rotted
to be there mend] very soon, but it is nevertheless a secondary
objective compared with other Austrian possibilities.</p>
<p lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">G Feller <acronym>GSAB</acronym></p>
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<center><font size=-1 lang="fr">(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 1
(Juin 1977) pp 33-49</font>
<h1 lang="de">TOTES GEBIRGE</h1>
<h2>Description of the principal caves in the West of the massif.</h2></center>
<p><b>Introduction</b> : The choice of this area was quite arbitrary. Indeed,
there is very little chance that the area is all drained by the same
hydrological system. While for some caves, the presumed resurgence is almost
certain, the same is not true of others which may drain in totally the
opposite direction ! Our choice was governed by means of access: roads, gear
lift, paths, a refuge etc.. The <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span>, which
is one of the biggest karst ranges in Austria, is only easily accessible in
certain areas, such as the one we discuss in this article. In this area are
many kilometres of totally virgin lapiaz. Many hours walking are needed to
reach it. Moreover, in this area, only a tiny part is more-or-less
prospected. It includes the valleys of <span lang="de">Raucherkar</span> and
<span lang="de">Feuertal</span>, and the areas adjoining the path which goes
to them as well as the north face of <span lang="de">Hagender Kogel</span>,
in which lies the <span lang="de">Tropfsteinh&ouml;hle</span>, which had
extraordinary formations but which is today completely trashed out.
<p><b>Cave Research</b> : has been mainly carried out by our friends of
Upper Austria, an English group, two French groups, and ourselves. For our
part we did almost no prospecting, except in 1976. We contented ourselves
with the descent of certain known caves - again, not all of them (We
bitterly regret this today because others have made discoveries in our
place). Our effort was particularly carried out in
<span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>, but a chronic deficiency of able cavers
and relevant experience (in 1975 we were only 4) has prevented us from
getting as far as we would have liked.
<p><b>Geology/Hydrology</b> : Not having a geologist in the group, we could
only sketch out the major outlines. The great majority of the area is <span
lang="de">Dachsteinkalk</span>, also with some pockets of Dolomite, well seen
in certain places - notably north of the <span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>.
Another problem, the presence of a nappe (overfold) between -400 and -500m
which could cause problems in <span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>. For the
<span lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, the drainage is practically certain: the
flood resurgence is in <span lang="de">Nagelstegh&ouml;hle</span> to the
south of <span lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, and north of
<span lang="de">Altaussee</span>. It should be possible to connect the two
either directly, or by diving. <span lang="fr">QUELLI</span> should also go
in the same direction, at least if one believes its trend.
Nevertheless, with <span lang="fr">Quelli</span> opening up 2km NE of
<span lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, we need to be very careful in drawing
conclusions.
<p><b lang="de">AHNENSCHACHT</b> lies in an area with very complex
boundaries, and could very well go off in several totally different
directions. It is very possible that several directions can be followed. The
explorations have not proceeded far enough in plan to be able to decide.
<p><b lang="de">TRUNKEMBOLDSCHACHT</b> and <b lang="de">UFO SCHACHT</b>
should be expected to head off to the north where many resurgences can be
seen. The other directions should nevertheless not be ignored. At any rate,
the explorations will be pushed a lot further this year and perhaps it will
become clearer to us.
<p>From the hydrological point of view, it is very regrettable that no dye
tests have been carried out, and this through lack of authorisation,
collaboration and interest !!!
<h2 lang="de"><a id="id55">RAUCHERKARH&Ouml;HLENSYSTEM</a></h2>
<p><span lang="de">Steiermark - Totes Gebirge</span> - 1632m<br>
Depth 723m Length so far, about 20km<br>
Deepest point is a sump
<p><b>Location</b>: In the Western <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span>,
south of the <span lang="de">Sch&ouml;nberg</span>, 2km SE of <span
lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>.
<p><b>History</b>: Exploration started in 1961. In 1965, the cave was 6km
long and 246m deep. The National Austrian expedition of 1965 reached -530m.
In 1973, <span lang="de"><acronym>LVfHK</acronym> Ober&ouml;sterreich &amp;
Steiermark</span> reached a sump at -723m, at which time the length had
reached 18km.
<p><b>Description</b>: The system has no less than 13 entrances ranged
between 1500 and 1623m altitude. The labyrinthine system contains several
levels of development mostly southwards towards
<span lang="de">Nagelstegh&ouml;hle</span> (the probable resurgence at an
altitude of 850m). It is interesting to note that the final sump has been
reached by systematically traversing round pitches in excess of 90-40m.
<p>Author of this summary : <span lang="fr">Etienne Degrave</span>.
<h2><a id="id120" lang="fr">QUELLI</a> or
<span lang="de">KACHERLSCHACHT</span></h2>
<p>Western <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge - Feuertal -
Sch&ouml;nberg</span><br>
Depth -708m Altitude about 1950m
<p><b>History</b>: Discovered in 1973 by the <acronym>GSAB</acronym> under
the name T3. Rediscovered in July 1976 by <span lang="fr">J.M.Piron</span>
and explored from 12th to 23rd of July by <span lang="fr">A.C.Toulon,
S.C.Toulon, Lou Darbon</span> and <span lang="fr">Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o
Ragaie</span>.
<p><b>Description</b>: P8, p19, p83, p33, p24, p17, p5, p33, p24, p9, p33,
p27, p103. At -400m one reaches a vast passage going up and downhill. The
downstream passage emerges at the top of an 84m pitch. Below this a winding
canyon interspersed with small pitches gives onto a 15m pitch and the end of
exploration at -708m.
<p lang="fr">Etienne Degrave
<h2><a id="id117" lang="fr">EMPAGADURE</a> or
<span lang="de">TRUNKEMBOLDSCHACHT</span></h2>
<p>Western <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge - Hintergras</span><br>
Depth -587m Altitude 1610m
<p><b>History</b>: Discovered in July 1976 by
<span lang="fr">F.Vergier</span>. Explored between 12th and 23rd July 1976 by
<span lang="fr">A.C.Toulon, S.C.Toulon, Lou Darbon</span> and
<span lang="fr">Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie</span>.
<p><b>Description</b>: Down to -287m the cave is made up of shortish pitches
interspersed with tight meandering passage : p8, p12, p17, p9, p20, p3, p12,
p30, p7, p6, p9, p8, p7, p5, p34, p6, p8, p5, p9. At -287m, a 21m pitch
drops into a large chamber. The water disappears in the boulders to reappear
in a whole series of wet pitches of which the longest is 30m. Floods impeded
exploration at the bottom of this branch: at -456m a pitch of about 20m was
definitely too wet to be descended. At -488m a low passage was also too wet.
Moreover, the draught there was weak or absent.
<p>In the chamber at -308m, a reascent of about 15m gave access to a fairly
wide fossil canyon which blew a detectable draught. After 30m, this passage
opened onto the enormous "<span lang="fr">Puits de Naufrag&eacute;s</span>"
(The Castaway's pitch), with a cross section of 15 by 25 metres. On this
pitch, several inlets appeared to come from the first branch explored. The
bottom of the pitch contracted to a joint-guided rift, exploration ending at
the head of a pitch estimated at 40m.
<p lang="fr">Etienne Degrave
<h2 lang="de"><a id="id50">AHNENSCHACHT</a></h2>
<p>Location: Western <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge - Feuertal</span><br>
Depth: -612m Length so far: > 5km<br>
<b>Altitude</b>: 1890m
<p><b>History</b>: Discovered by our Upper Austrian colleagues in 1856. The
point -320m was reached by them in 1958. In 1967 and 1968 the
<a href="../../bec/index.htm">Bristol Exploration Club</a> reached -400m, the
Horizontal network, with a length of 1 km, was discovered. In 1972, 73, 74
and 75, the <acronym>GSAB</acronym> "<span lang="fr">Les Gours</span>"
explored and discovered over 5km of passage and about 1500m of pitches. This
got them to -612m. We note also the participation, in 1974, of three French
clubs from Eastern France: <span lang="fr">S.C.Vesoul, G.S.Clerval</span> and
<span lang="fr">S.S.Daules</span>. In 1975 <acronym>CARSS</acronym> joined a
mini-expedition in July and likewise, <acronym>CASEO</acronym> in August.
<p style="text-align: center; font-size: 65%" lang="fr" xml:lang= "fr">(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 1 (Juin 1977) pp 33-49</p>
<h1 lang="de" xml:lang="de">TOTES GEBIRGE</h1>
<h2 style="text-align: center">Description of the principal caves in the West of the massif.</h2>
<p><b>Introduction</b> : The choice of this area was quite
arbitrary. Indeed, there is very little chance that the area is all
drained by the same hydrological system. While for some caves, the
presumed resurgence is almost certain, the same is not true of
others which may drain in totally the opposite direction ! Our
choice was governed by means of access: roads, gear lift, paths, a
refuge etc.. The <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes
Gebirge</span>, which is one of the biggest karst ranges in
Austria, is only easily accessible in certain areas, such as the
one we discuss in this article. In this area are many kilometres of
totally virgin lapiaz. Many hours walking are needed to reach it.
Moreover, in this area, only a tiny part is more-or-less
prospected. It includes the valleys of <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Raucherkar</span> and <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Feuertal</span>, and the areas adjoining the path which goes
to them as well as the north face of <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Hagender Kogel</span>, in which lies the <span lang="de"
xml:lang="de">Tropfsteinh&ouml;hle</span>, which had extraordinary
formations but which is today completely trashed out.</p>
<p><b>Cave Research</b> : has been mainly carried out by our
friends of Upper Austria, an English group, two French groups, and
ourselves. For our part we did almost no prospecting, except in
1976. We contented ourselves with the descent of certain known
caves - again, not all of them (We bitterly regret this today
because others have made discoveries in our place). Our effort was
particularly carried out in <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span>, but a chronic deficiency of able cavers
and relevant experience (in 1975 we were only 4) has prevented us
from getting as far as we would have liked.</p>
<p><b>Geology/Hydrology</b> : Not having a geologist in the group,
we could only sketch out the major outlines. The great majority of
the area is <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Dachsteinkalk</span>,
also with some pockets of Dolomite, well seen in certain places -
notably north of the <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span>. Another problem, the presence of a nappe
(overfold) between -400 and -500m which could cause problems in
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>. For the
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, the drainage is
practically certain: the flood resurgence is in <span lang="de"
xml:lang="de">Nagelstegh&ouml;hle</span> to the south of
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, and north of
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Altaussee</span>. It should be
possible to connect the two either directly, or by diving.
<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">QUELLI</span> should also go in the
same direction, at least if one believes its trend. Nevertheless,
with <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Quelli</span> opening up 2km NE
of <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, we need to be
very careful in drawing conclusions.</p>
<p><b lang="de" xml:lang="de">AHNENSCHACHT</b> lies in an area with
very complex boundaries, and could very well go off in several
totally different directions. It is very possible that several
directions can be followed. The explorations have not proceeded far
enough in plan to be able to decide.</p>
<p><b lang="de" xml:lang="de">TRUNKEMBOLDSCHACHT</b> and <b lang=
"de" xml:lang="de">UFO SCHACHT</b> should be expected to head off
to the north where many resurgences can be seen. The other
directions should nevertheless not be ignored. At any rate, the
explorations will be pushed a lot further this year and perhaps it
will become clearer to us.</p>
<p>From the hydrological point of view, it is very regrettable that
no dye tests have been carried out, and this through lack of
authorisation, collaboration and interest !!!</p>
<h2 lang="de" xml:lang="de"><a id="id55" name=
"id55">RAUCHERKARH&Ouml;HLENSYSTEM</a></h2>
<p><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Steiermark - Totes Gebirge</span>
- 1632m<br />
Depth 723m Length so far, about 20km<br />
Deepest point is a sump</p>
<p><b>Location</b>: In the Western <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Totes Gebirge</span>, south of the <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Sch&ouml;nberg</span>, 2km SE of <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span>.</p>
<p><b>History</b>: Exploration started in 1961. In 1965, the cave
was 6km long and 246m deep. The National Austrian expedition of
1965 reached -530m. In 1973, <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de"><acronym>LVfHK</acronym> Ober&ouml;sterreich &amp;
Steiermark</span> reached a sump at -723m, at which time the length
had reached 18km.</p>
<p><b>Description</b>: The system has no less than 13 entrances
ranged between 1500 and 1623m altitude. The labyrinthine system
contains several levels of development mostly southwards towards
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Nagelstegh&ouml;hle</span> (the
probable resurgence at an altitude of 850m). It is interesting to
note that the final sump has been reached by systematically
traversing round pitches in excess of 90-40m.</p>
<p>Author of this summary : <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Etienne
Degrave</span>.</p>
<h2><a id="id120" lang="fr" name="id120" xml:lang="fr">QUELLI</a>
or <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">KACHERLSCHACHT</span></h2>
<p>Western <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge - Feuertal -
Sch&ouml;nberg</span><br />
Depth -708m Altitude about 1950m</p>
<p><b>History</b>: Discovered in 1973 by the
<acronym>GSAB</acronym> under the name T3. Rediscovered in July
1976 by <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">J.M.Piron</span> and explored
from 12th to 23rd of July by <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">A.C.Toulon, S.C.Toulon, Lou Darbon</span> and <span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie</span>.</p>
<p><b>Description</b>: P8, p19, p83, p33, p24, p17, p5, p33, p24,
p9, p33, p27, p103. At -400m one reaches a vast passage going up
and downhill. The downstream passage emerges at the top of an 84m
pitch. Below this a winding canyon interspersed with small pitches
gives onto a 15m pitch and the end of exploration at -708m.</p>
<p lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Etienne Degrave</p>
<h2><a id="id117" lang="fr" name="id117" xml:lang=
"fr">EMPAGADURE</a> or <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">TRUNKEMBOLDSCHACHT</span></h2>
<p>Western <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge -
Hintergras</span><br />
Depth -587m Altitude 1610m</p>
<p><b>History</b>: Discovered in July 1976 by <span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">F.Vergier</span>. Explored between 12th and 23rd July
1976 by <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">A.C.Toulon, S.C.Toulon, Lou
Darbon</span> and <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie</span>.</p>
<p><b>Description</b>: Down to -287m the cave is made up of
shortish pitches interspersed with tight meandering passage : p8,
p12, p17, p9, p20, p3, p12, p30, p7, p6, p9, p8, p7, p5, p34, p6,
p8, p5, p9. At -287m, a 21m pitch drops into a large chamber. The
water disappears in the boulders to reappear in a whole series of
wet pitches of which the longest is 30m. Floods impeded exploration
at the bottom of this branch: at -456m a pitch of about 20m was
definitely too wet to be descended. At -488m a low passage was also
too wet. Moreover, the draught there was weak or absent.</p>
<p>In the chamber at -308m, a reascent of about 15m gave access to
a fairly wide fossil canyon which blew a detectable draught. After
30m, this passage opened onto the enormous "<span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">Puits de Naufrag&eacute;s</span>" (The Castaway's
pitch), with a cross section of 15 by 25 metres. On this pitch,
several inlets appeared to come from the first branch explored. The
bottom of the pitch contracted to a joint-guided rift, exploration
ending at the head of a pitch estimated at 40m.</p>
<p lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Etienne Degrave</p>
<h2 lang="de" xml:lang="de"><a id="id50" name=
"id50">AHNENSCHACHT</a></h2>
<p>Location: Western <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge -
Feuertal</span><br />
Depth: -612m Length so far: &gt; 5km<br />
<b>Altitude</b>: 1890m</p>
<p><b>History</b>: Discovered by our Upper Austrian colleagues in
1856. The point -320m was reached by them in 1958. In 1967 and 1968
the <a href="../../bec/index.htm">Bristol Exploration Club</a>
reached -400m, the Horizontal network, with a length of 1 km, was
discovered. In 1972, 73, 74 and 75, the <acronym>GSAB</acronym>
"<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Les Gours</span>" explored and
discovered over 5km of passage and about 1500m of pitches. This got
them to -612m. We note also the participation, in 1974, of three
French clubs from Eastern France: <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">S.C.Vesoul, G.S.Clerval</span> and <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">S.S.Daules</span>. In 1975 <acronym>CARSS</acronym> joined a
mini-expedition in July and likewise, <acronym>CASEO</acronym> in
August.</p>
<h3>Description: Entrance series</h3>
<p>The entrance is in a small doline situated on the ridge separating
<span lang="de">Feuertal</span> and <span lang="de">Hintergras</span>. The
cave starts with four pitches (p14, p11, p5 and p11) which drop onto a slope
formed of big boulders (rope desirable). After this, another series of small
pitches (p9, p7, p6, p4, p10, p18, p11) from which is reached the "<span
lang="de">Sinterterrasse</span>" at -141m.
<p>From this point, one has left the zone of small pitches and started a
series of pitches which in reality are part of a single shaft down to -400m.
<p>Indeed, if you had an unfortunate accident on the
"<span lang="de">Sinterterrasse</span>", you would fall all the way to -400m.
These pitches are usually wet, especially after rain... Here is the list of
pitches: p25, <span lang="de">Schuppenstufe</span> 30, p10,
<span lang="de">Sicherungsstufe</span> 32,
<span lang="de">Schachtgabel</span> 48, a 10m ramp, <span lang="de">Josef
Schacht</span> 100m. On the <span lang="de">Josef Schacht</span>, a pendulum
6m from the top enables one to reach the entry to the "Horizontal network".
Descending the <span lang="de">Josef Schacht</span> a little further, after a
6.5m and a 10m pitch, access can be gained to a wide canyon, active in the
bottom, and which ends in a fissure. This canyon is fossil in the upper level
and certainly presents possibilities for continuation.
<h4>Lateral development from <span lang="de">Josef Schacht</span></h4>
<p>After one has crossed the "doorway" and a short squeeze, one enters the
network proper. At this point is a passage covered in rather special
formations. The first junction gives access to a network
[ lines missing from original photocopy - sorry :-(]
<p>The entrance is in a small doline situated on the ridge
separating <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Feuertal</span> and
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Hintergras</span>. The cave starts
with four pitches (p14, p11, p5 and p11) which drop onto a slope
formed of big boulders (rope desirable). After this, another series
of small pitches (p9, p7, p6, p4, p10, p18, p11) from which is
reached the "<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Sinterterrasse</span>"
at -141m.</p>
<p>From this point, one has left the zone of small pitches and
started a series of pitches which in reality are part of a single
shaft down to -400m.</p>
<p>Indeed, if you had an unfortunate accident on the "<span lang=
"de" xml:lang="de">Sinterterrasse</span>", you would fall all the
way to -400m. These pitches are usually wet, especially after
rain... Here is the list of pitches: p25, <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Schuppenstufe</span> 30, p10, <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Sicherungsstufe</span> 32, <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Schachtgabel</span> 48, a 10m ramp, <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Josef Schacht</span> 100m. On the <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Josef Schacht</span>, a pendulum 6m from the top enables one
to reach the entry to the "Horizontal network". Descending the
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Josef Schacht</span> a little
further, after a 6.5m and a 10m pitch, access can be gained to a
wide canyon, active in the bottom, and which ends in a fissure.
This canyon is fossil in the upper level and certainly presents
possibilities for continuation.</p>
<h4>Lateral development from <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Josef
Schacht</span></h4>
<p>After one has crossed the "doorway" and a short squeeze, one
enters the network proper. At this point is a passage covered in
rather special formations. The first junction gives access to a
network [ lines missing from original photocopy - sorry :-(]</p>
<h4>The Vegetable Garden</h4>
<p>This fossil system, which has not been fully travelled through, contains
numerous possibilities. It is reached by three principal access routes: the
pitch already mentioned; a descending fissure a little before the "Belgica";
and a sloping passage with formations in the "Mammoth pitch" chamber. The
system is composed of a big chamber with numerous passages and junctions; it
is very poorly known and no doubt houses many surprises. Continuing along the
passage, one passes a step of 4m to find a junction, to the left at which
lies the bivouac.
<p>This fossil system, which has not been fully travelled through,
contains numerous possibilities. It is reached by three principal
access routes: the pitch already mentioned; a descending fissure a
little before the "Belgica"; and a sloping passage with formations
in the "Mammoth pitch" chamber. The system is composed of a big
chamber with numerous passages and junctions; it is very poorly
known and no doubt houses many surprises. Continuing along the
passage, one passes a step of 4m to find a junction, to the left at
which lies the bivouac.</p>
<h4>"Belgica" system</h4>
<p>Directly after the bivouac, there is a 10m pitch, and at the bottom, a new
junction: downhill the "Belgica" passage, of fairly small dimensions, which
leads, after traversing past three holes, to a descent of an 8m and a 17m
pitch and to the squeezes passed by our French colleagues.
[<span lang="fr">A revoir</span>]
<p>Uphill, discovered by <span lang="fr">D.Motte</span> and
<acronym>PIE</acronym>, in the course of the expedition in 1974, is the
"<span lang="fr">Galerie de Francs comtois</span>". This is a large ascending
fossil passage interspersed with traverses, dips and pitches. It reascends to
-90m. At -150m, a 20m pitch reaches the "<span lang="fr">Resomega</span>".
<p>A little before the 20m pitch, a short descending canyon passage avoids
the 20m pitch and the series of squeezes following it.
The "<span lang="fr">Resomega</span>" is an alternately ascending and
descending passage, very chaotic, interspersed with several junctions and
pitches which leads to the "Balcon du Visionnaire", offering several
possibilities. A 60m pitch gives onto another 60m pitch which is undescended.
There is another big pitch in excess of 100m and an unfinished ascending
passage. A little before, a 10m pitch allows one to reach a passage
interspersed with 3 junctions and 7 exits !!!! This shows the level of
complexity which we ran into.
<p>It was also at the "<span lang="fr">Balcon du Visionnaire</span>" that an
accident occurred in 1975, which terminated exploration in that year.
<p>Back in the Horizontal network, and after passing a little bouldery climb
an inlet is encountered, named "The Bath". The passage continues a little
longer, to end in a pitch. [To be completed]
<p>The following junction has been named "Mammoth Junction" because the
passage to the right leads onto the pitch of the same name. It is necessary
to exercise great care and attention not to slip hereabouts, because a fall
would drop you into same.
<p>The Mammoth Pitch, Para-pitch and probably the "Negus" pitch, form part of
the same system ( see survey ) which is composed of a 146m pitch, a 10m pitch
and a narrow canyon interspersed with several cascades leading finally to a
35m pitch giving onto the sump at -612m. The Para-pitch, p106, is followed by
pitches of 5, 10 and 50m and drops via the latter into the "Mammoth Canyon"
<p>The "Negus" pitch, which is undescended, should also drop into the same
canyon. Several other small pitches and active streamways should also rejoin
this system.
<p>The depth of 612m should be treated cautiously because the method of
survey used (height of a man) is fairly imprecise. The bottom could be
anywhere between -580m and -630m. The shortage of time prevented us from
redoing our survey. Maybe this year ????
<p>Turning left, the "Zipfer" passage is followed for 150m before reaching an
important junction: to the left "Chimneys passage", to the right "Draughting
passage".
<p>Directly after the bivouac, there is a 10m pitch, and at the
bottom, a new junction: downhill the "Belgica" passage, of fairly
small dimensions, which leads, after traversing past three holes,
to a descent of an 8m and a 17m pitch and to the squeezes passed by
our French colleagues. [<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">A
revoir</span>]</p>
<p>Uphill, discovered by <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">D.Motte</span> and <acronym>PIE</acronym>, in the course of
the expedition in 1974, is the "<span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">Galerie de Francs comtois</span>". This is a large ascending
fossil passage interspersed with traverses, dips and pitches. It
reascends to -90m. At -150m, a 20m pitch reaches the "<span lang=
"fr" xml:lang="fr">Resomega</span>".</p>
<p>A little before the 20m pitch, a short descending canyon passage
avoids the 20m pitch and the series of squeezes following it. The
"<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Resomega</span>" is an alternately
ascending and descending passage, very chaotic, interspersed with
several junctions and pitches which leads to the "Balcon du
Visionnaire", offering several possibilities. A 60m pitch gives
onto another 60m pitch which is undescended. There is another big
pitch in excess of 100m and an unfinished ascending passage. A
little before, a 10m pitch allows one to reach a passage
interspersed with 3 junctions and 7 exits !!!! This shows the level
of complexity which we ran into.</p>
<p>It was also at the "<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Balcon du
Visionnaire</span>" that an accident occurred in 1975, which
terminated exploration in that year.</p>
<p>Back in the Horizontal network, and after passing a little
bouldery climb an inlet is encountered, named "The Bath". The
passage continues a little longer, to end in a pitch. [To be
completed]</p>
<p>The following junction has been named "Mammoth Junction" because
the passage to the right leads onto the pitch of the same name. It
is necessary to exercise great care and attention not to slip
hereabouts, because a fall would drop you into same.</p>
<p>The Mammoth Pitch, Para-pitch and probably the "Negus" pitch,
form part of the same system ( see survey ) which is composed of a
146m pitch, a 10m pitch and a narrow canyon interspersed with
several cascades leading finally to a 35m pitch giving onto the
sump at -612m. The Para-pitch, p106, is followed by pitches of 5,
10 and 50m and drops via the latter into the "Mammoth Canyon"</p>
<p>The "Negus" pitch, which is undescended, should also drop into
the same canyon. Several other small pitches and active streamways
should also rejoin this system.</p>
<p>The depth of 612m should be treated cautiously because the
method of survey used (height of a man) is fairly imprecise. The
bottom could be anywhere between -580m and -630m. The shortage of
time prevented us from redoing our survey. Maybe this year ????</p>
<p>Turning left, the "Zipfer" passage is followed for 150m before
reaching an important junction: to the left "Chimneys passage", to
the right "Draughting passage".</p>
<h4>Chimneys Passage</h4>
<p>This is very large with a constant slope, interrupted in the middle by a
squeeze and a couple of drops. The "Schnaps pitch" (40m with an unexplored,
narrow canyon) is avoided by traversing to reach a 25m pitch in which you
must pendulum 5m from the bottom in order to reach a chamber in which is met
a small stream. Climbing up a little opposite, a short upper passage rejoins
the stream by a 20m pitch. In the chamber, the descent of a 10m pitch allows
the stream to be followed to a squeeze beyond which one can hear the grumble
of a large river ? A place to go back to.
<p>This is very large with a constant slope, interrupted in the
middle by a squeeze and a couple of drops. The "Schnaps pitch" (40m
with an unexplored, narrow canyon) is avoided by traversing to
reach a 25m pitch in which you must pendulum 5m from the bottom in
order to reach a chamber in which is met a small stream. Climbing
up a little opposite, a short upper passage rejoins the stream by a
20m pitch. In the chamber, the descent of a 10m pitch allows the
stream to be followed to a squeeze beyond which one can hear the
grumble of a large river ? A place to go back to.</p>
<h4>Draughting passage</h4>
<p>This is fossil, and tight in places, and allows exploration of a very
complex network which intersects itself in various places and which could
hold very great surprises, since its exploration has only been sketchily
outlined. The exit from this passage is in an area of boulders where two
possibilities exist:
<p><b>To the left</b>: a tight passage has been forced on a slope to
"<span lang="de">Kitschacht</span>" (Tackle Bag Shaft) a magnificent 50m
drop, very wide and completely free hanging. At its base, several
possibilities. A tight active canyon which can be bypassed by a fossil
passage, broken by an earthy drop of 3m to a huge 15m pitch leading to a sump
at -360m.
<p>A drop of a few metres gives access to a huge fossil passage ( 10 x 5m ).
The floor of this is cut by a deep canyon which has not been explored. After
a hundred metres or so the passage ends at a vast wet pitch. Climbing over a
big boulder on the right gives access to another pitch upwards.
<p>Just after the base of <span lang="de">Kitschacht</span>, a passage of 80m
makes a connection with the system of the "<span
lang="fr">D&eacute;collement</span>" pitch at the bottom of the 40m shaft. A
canyon leaving the junction passage can be followed for more than 300m, and
exits, in several places, into the side of the big fossil passage, just
before the pitch upwards.
<p><b>To the right</b>: The "<span lang="fr">D&eacute;collement</span>"
pitch, with, at its base, a sloping chamber full of boulders. To the left a
very deep ascending canyon is unexplored. In the bottom is the
"<span lang="fr">M&eacute;andre Emeri</span>", so called because the
formations are orientated in the direction of progress and of the draught.
This rejoins a wide pitch with an inlet. After this 15m pitch is a short
canyon and a damp 40m pitch. At the bottom, a huge descending passage
suddenly turns almost vertical. This is the "Toboggan", needing 20m of rope
(a very spectacular passage). At this level one again cuts a new streamway.
The passage continues, then contracts, and chokes at -385m.
<p><b>Conclusion</b>: An enormous amount to see and to go back and finish.
The more we explore, the more we find ! With more support we could do some
extraordinary speleological work.
<p align=right lang="fr">J.C.Hans
<h2><a id="id122" lang="de">UFO SCHACHT</a> or <span lang="fr">GOUFFRE OVNI</span></h2>
<p><b>Location</b>: Western <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge - Hintergras</span><br>
<b>Depth</b>: -201m <b>Altitude</b>: about 1500m
<p><b>History</b>: Discovered in August 1974 by
<span lang="fr">D.Motte</span>. Entrance unblocked by <acronym>GSAB</acronym>
in 1975 and 76. Explored in August 1976 by <span lang="fr">F.Dechany</span>
and <span lang="fr">J.C.Hans</span>.
<p><b>Description</b>: The entrance consists of a crack about 20cm high,
which was at first cleared as far as a chamber with no way on. The draught
which had enabled us to find the entrance now showed us the way on. After
having unblocked a fissure dubbed "Sas" we arrived at a pitch. This is
broken in five places. A second pitch broken into three leads to a short
canyon, then to several drops and pitches interspersed with short squeezes.
The following pitches can be seen as forming a single 80m shaft, divided
into five and becoming bigger and bigger in depth as well as width. The cave
continues by a fault rift two or three metres wide and penetrating by
successive notches. The exploration will continue in August 1977.
<p align=right lang="fr">J.C.Hans
<p>This is fossil, and tight in places, and allows exploration of a
very complex network which intersects itself in various places and
which could hold very great surprises, since its exploration has
only been sketchily outlined. The exit from this passage is in an
area of boulders where two possibilities exist:</p>
<p><b>To the left</b>: a tight passage has been forced on a slope
to "<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Kitschacht</span>" (Tackle Bag
Shaft) a magnificent 50m drop, very wide and completely free
hanging. At its base, several possibilities. A tight active canyon
which can be bypassed by a fossil passage, broken by an earthy drop
of 3m to a huge 15m pitch leading to a sump at -360m.</p>
<p>A drop of a few metres gives access to a huge fossil passage (
10 x 5m ). The floor of this is cut by a deep canyon which has not
been explored. After a hundred metres or so the passage ends at a
vast wet pitch. Climbing over a big boulder on the right gives
access to another pitch upwards.</p>
<p>Just after the base of <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Kitschacht</span>, a passage of 80m makes a connection with
the system of the "<span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">D&eacute;collement</span>" pitch at the bottom of the 40m
shaft. A canyon leaving the junction passage can be followed for
more than 300m, and exits, in several places, into the side of the
big fossil passage, just before the pitch upwards.</p>
<p><b>To the right</b>: The "<span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">D&eacute;collement</span>" pitch, with, at its base, a sloping
chamber full of boulders. To the left a very deep ascending canyon
is unexplored. In the bottom is the "<span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">M&eacute;andre Emeri</span>", so called because the formations
are orientated in the direction of progress and of the draught.
This rejoins a wide pitch with an inlet. After this 15m pitch is a
short canyon and a damp 40m pitch. At the bottom, a huge descending
passage suddenly turns almost vertical. This is the "Toboggan",
needing 20m of rope (a very spectacular passage). At this level one
again cuts a new streamway. The passage continues, then contracts,
and chokes at -385m.</p>
<p><b>Conclusion</b>: An enormous amount to see and to go back and
finish. The more we explore, the more we find ! With more support
we could do some extraordinary speleological work.</p>
<p style="text-align: right" lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">J.C.Hans</p>
<h2><a id="id122" lang="de" name="id122" xml:lang="de">UFO
SCHACHT</a> or <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">GOUFFRE
OVNI</span></h2>
<p><b>Location</b>: Western <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes
Gebirge - Hintergras</span><br />
<b>Depth</b>: -201m <b>Altitude</b>: about 1500m</p>
<p><b>History</b>: Discovered in August 1974 by <span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">D.Motte</span>. Entrance unblocked by
<acronym>GSAB</acronym> in 1975 and 76. Explored in August 1976 by
<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">F.Dechany</span> and <span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">J.C.Hans</span>.</p>
<p><b>Description</b>: The entrance consists of a crack about 20cm
high, which was at first cleared as far as a chamber with no way
on. The draught which had enabled us to find the entrance now
showed us the way on. After having unblocked a fissure dubbed "Sas"
we arrived at a pitch. This is broken in five places. A second
pitch broken into three leads to a short canyon, then to several
drops and pitches interspersed with short squeezes. The following
pitches can be seen as forming a single 80m shaft, divided into
five and becoming bigger and bigger in depth as well as width. The
cave continues by a fault rift two or three metres wide and
penetrating by successive notches. The exploration will continue in
August 1977.</p>
<p style="text-align: right" lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">J.C.Hans</p>
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<span lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</span> 3 (Oct. 1978) pp 44-45</font>
<h1><span lang="de">AHNENSCHACHT</span> 77-78</h1></center>
<p><b>Situation </b>: <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge West - Feuertal</span><br>
<b>Depth </b>: -607m<br>
<b>Altitude </b>: 1890m ; <span lang="de">Frigoschacht</span> 1875m<br>
<b>History </b>: see <a href="782012.htm"><span lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</span> number 1</a>
<p>The <acronym>GSAB</acronym> expedition was organised from 5th to 29th
August, 1977
<p>Several individuals from different clubs joined up, and in parallel with
the exploration of the <span lang="fr">Gouffre Ovni</span> (-565m), the
<acronym>GSAB</acronym> expedition deepened
<span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span> and cleared up some unknowns.
<p style="font-size: 65%; text-align: center">(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) <span
lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</span> 3 (Oct. 1978) pp 44-45</p>
<h1><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">AHNENSCHACHT</span> 77-78</h1>
<p><b>Situation</b> : <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge
West - Feuertal</span><br />
<b>Depth</b> : -607m<br />
<b>Altitude</b> : 1890m ; <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Frigoschacht</span> 1875m<br />
<b>History</b> : see <a href="782012.htm"><span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">Sp&eacute;alp</span> number 1</a></p>
<p>The <acronym>GSAB</acronym> expedition was organised from 5th to
29th August, 1977</p>
<p>Several individuals from different clubs joined up, and in
parallel with the exploration of the <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">Gouffre Ovni</span> (-565m), the <acronym>GSAB</acronym>
expedition deepened <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span> and cleared up some unknowns.</p>
<ul>
<li><span lang="de">Frigoschacht</span> (alt 1875m) was connected at a depth
of 130m via pitches of 17, 5, 9, 9, 5 and 18m, with a final 11m pitch into
<span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>.
<li>The Vegetable Garden was surveyed
<li>The Yodl system was explored, pushing
<span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>'s depth to 607m
<li>The <acronym>KGB</acronym> system was explored.
<li><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Frigoschacht</span> (alt 1875m)
was connected at a depth of 130m via pitches of 17, 5, 9, 9, 5 and
18m, with a final 11m pitch into <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span>.</li>
<li>The Vegetable Garden was surveyed</li>
<li>The Yodl system was explored, pushing <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span>'s depth to 607m</li>
<li>The <acronym>KGB</acronym> system was explored.</li>
</ul>
<h3>Yodl system</h3>
<p>From the entrance, after 70m down the <span lang="de">Josef
schacht</span>, climb down 7m over a large block and descend about 12m in the
bottom of a meander. Progress is then in the meander, with a short climb in a
fault on the left and a 120m pitch, in sections of 22m and 100m. Beyond is a
tight canyon with a 20m pitch to a sump at -607m (the last part of the 100m
pitch is wet).
<p>From the entrance, after 70m down the <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Josef schacht</span>, climb down 7m over a large block and
descend about 12m in the bottom of a meander. Progress is then in
the meander, with a short climb in a fault on the left and a 120m
pitch, in sections of 22m and 100m. Beyond is a tight canyon with a
20m pitch to a sump at -607m (the last part of the 100m pitch is
wet).</p>
<h4>Participants :</h4>
<dl lang="fr">
<dt><acronym>GSAB</acronym> :<dd>F Dechany, E Degrave, D Ferri&egrave;re, J C Hans
<dt><acronym>GSAB-CASEO</acronym> :<dd>G Feller, J Kirsch
<dt><acronym>SSSPA</acronym> :<dd>Pierre Dethier
<dt><acronym>GSREDAN</acronym> :<dd>J P Braun
<dt><acronym>ES GEODE</acronym> :<dd>F Saussus
<dt><acronym>SC</acronym> Calcaires :<dd>J M Piron
<dt><span lang="en">no club affiliations</span> :<dd>T Disneur, H Weber
<dl lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">
<dt><acronym>GSAB</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>F Dechany, E Degrave, D Ferri&egrave;re, J C Hans</dd>
<dt><acronym>GSAB-CASEO</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>G Feller, J Kirsch</dd>
<dt><acronym>SSSPA</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>Pierre Dethier</dd>
<dt><acronym>GSREDAN</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>J P Braun</dd>
<dt><acronym>ES GEODE</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>F Saussus</dd>
<dt><acronym>SC</acronym> Calcaires :</dt>
<dd>J M Piron</dd>
<dt><span lang="en" xml:lang="en">no club affiliations</span>
:</dt>
<dd>T Disneur, H Weber</dd>
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<h3>Mini-expedition from 25th June to 5th July (among individuals)</h3>
<p>The possibility of a connection with
<span lang="fr">Epag&eacute;dure</span> prompted a number of individual
Belgian cavers to organise a mini-expedition.
<p>We didn't make the connection, since a bed of dolomite eliminated all
hope. However, the trip did allow several Belgian cavers to discover a new
Austrian cave.
<p><b lang="fr">Le Bilan</b> : -500m at first, several different endings
and a new theory for the pursuit of caves.
<p>-150m in the upstream system from the <span lang="de">Josef schacht</span>
: stopped by something and fissure (a high and tight canyon).
<h3>Mini-expedition from 25th June to 5th July (among
individuals)</h3>
<p>The possibility of a connection with <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">Epag&eacute;dure</span> prompted a number of individual
Belgian cavers to organise a mini-expedition.</p>
<p>We didn't make the connection, since a bed of dolomite
eliminated all hope. However, the trip did allow several Belgian
cavers to discover a new Austrian cave.</p>
<p><b lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Le Bilan</b> : -500m at first,
several different endings and a new theory for the pursuit of
caves.</p>
<p>-150m in the upstream system from the <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Josef schacht</span> : stopped by something and fissure (a
high and tight canyon).</p>
<p>A new look at some areas: Enigmatic, <acronym>KGB</acronym>,
<span lang="fr">Gruy&egrave;re</span> and Schnaps.
<p>A visit and more exploration in the Belgica series.
<p><b>After the Bivouac </b>: a 10m pitch, then turn left into a small
passage, ignore three pitches to the side, then descend pitches of 8 and 13m
to arrive at some easy squeezes on the left. After this, a climb of 5m and a
42m pitch. Stops in a sand blockage at -410m.
<p>Over the 13m pitch a small passage goes to several climbs in a fossil
series. There is a 25m pitch and two 10m pitches ending in several very tight
chimneys.
<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Gruy&egrave;re</span> and
Schnaps.</p>
<p>A visit and more exploration in the Belgica series.</p>
<p><b>After the Bivouac</b> : a 10m pitch, then turn left into a
small passage, ignore three pitches to the side, then descend
pitches of 8 and 13m to arrive at some easy squeezes on the left.
After this, a climb of 5m and a 42m pitch. Stops in a sand blockage
at -410m.</p>
<p>Over the 13m pitch a small passage goes to several climbs in a
fossil series. There is a 25m pitch and two 10m pitches ending in
several very tight chimneys.</p>
<h4>Participants :</h4>
<dl lang="fr">
<dt><acronym>GSAB</acronym>:<dd>J P Braun, F Dechany, E Degrave
(<span lang="en">organiser</span>), J C Hans
<dt><acronym>GIPS</acronym>:<dd>F Spinoy
<dt><acronym>SCUCL</acronym>:<dd>Y Dubois
<dl lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">
<dt><acronym>GSAB</acronym>:</dt>
<dd>J P Braun, F Dechany, E Degrave (<span lang="en" xml:lang=
"en">organiser</span>), J C Hans</dd>
<dt><acronym>GIPS</acronym>:</dt>
<dd>F Spinoy</dd>
<dt><acronym>SCUCL</acronym>:</dt>
<dd>Y Dubois</dd>
</dl>
<p>We noted the visit of six members of CARSS who had left their bag of
bolts in the valley.
<p lang="fr">Jean Pierre Braun.
<p>We noted the visit of six members of CARSS who had left their
bag of bolts in the valley.</p>
<p lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Jean Pierre Braun.</p>
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<center><font size=-1>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) <b>Sp&eacute;alp</b> 2 (1978) pp 14-19</font>
<h1>GOUFFRE OVNI</h1></center>
<p>L'exp&eacute;dition d'&eacute;t&eacute; du <acronym>GSAB</acronym> dans
les <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> &agrave; permis l'exploration de ce
<p style="text-align: center; font-size: 65%">(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>)
<b>Sp&eacute;alp</b> 2 (1978) pp 14-19</p>
<h1>GOUFFRE OVNI</h1>
<p>L'exp&eacute;dition d'&eacute;t&eacute; du
<acronym>GSAB</acronym> dans les <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Totes Gebirge</span> &agrave; permis l'exploration de ce
nouveau gouffre de 565m de profondeur. Certes quelque peu
&eacute;clips&eacute; par ses deux voisins <b lang="de">(Kelli</b> et
<b>Emp&eacute;gadure)</b> il n'en reste pas moins une tr&egrave;s belle
r&eacute;alisation pour une jeune &eacute;quipe, peu rod&eacute;e &agrave; la
premi&egrave;re de grande envergure !
<p>Pour la localisation et d&eacute;couverte on se reporters &agrave;
SP&Eacute;ALP <acronym>GSAB-SSS</acronym> no. 1
&eacute;clips&eacute; par ses deux voisins <b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">(Kelli</b> et <b>Emp&eacute;gadure)</b> il n'en reste pas
moins une tr&egrave;s belle r&eacute;alisation pour une jeune
&eacute;quipe, peu rod&eacute;e &agrave; la premi&egrave;re de
grande envergure !</p>
<p>Pour la localisation et d&eacute;couverte on se reporters
&agrave; SP&Eacute;ALP <acronym>GSAB-SSS</acronym> no. 1</p>
<h2>Description</h2>
<p>L'entr&eacute;e, un interstrate d&eacute;gag&eacute; en raison du courant
d'air, donne acc&egrave;s &agrave; une s&eacute;rie de puits courte et secs
au debut, qui vont en s'agrandissant en profondeur et en diam&egrave;tre et
en s'humidifiant. La premi&egrave;re exploration de 1976 avait reconnu le
gouffre jusqu'a -200, &agrave; la base de P.40 (Trou Noir). les explos de
cette ann&eacute;e d&eacute;but&egrave;rent par la descente d'un beau P.60
de forme constante et l&eacute;g&egrave;rement inclin&eacute;. A le base de
celui-ci on acc&egrave;de &agrave; la seule salle du gouffre: Salle
Galactique o&ugrave; se s&eacute;parent deux r&eacute;seaux: l'actif et le
fossile.
<p>L'entr&eacute;e, un interstrate d&eacute;gag&eacute; en raison
du courant d'air, donne acc&egrave;s &agrave; une s&eacute;rie de
puits courte et secs au debut, qui vont en s'agrandissant en
profondeur et en diam&egrave;tre et en s'humidifiant. La
premi&egrave;re exploration de 1976 avait reconnu le gouffre
jusqu'a -200, &agrave; la base de P.40 (Trou Noir). les explos de
cette ann&eacute;e d&eacute;but&egrave;rent par la descente d'un
beau P.60 de forme constante et l&eacute;g&egrave;rement
inclin&eacute;. A le base de celui-ci on acc&egrave;de &agrave; la
seule salle du gouffre: Salle Galactique o&ugrave; se
s&eacute;parent deux r&eacute;seaux: l'actif et le fossile.</p>
<h3>Reseau Actif</h3>
<p>En aval de la salle, un ressaut m&egrave;ne &agrave; une petite salle
entre les blocs, le Nid d'Amour... parce que <span lang="en">"Love</span>
Nid" !! (qui osera dire qu'on a pas d'id&eacute;e.) Entre les blocs s'ouvre
un P.20 imm&eacute;diatement suivit d'un P.25. En fait on arrive dans les
<p>En aval de la salle, un ressaut m&egrave;ne &agrave; une petite
salle entre les blocs, le Nid d'Amour... parce que <span lang="en"
xml:lang="en">"Love</span> Nid" !! (qui osera dire qu'on a pas
d'id&eacute;e.) Entre les blocs s'ouvre un P.20
imm&eacute;diatement suivit d'un P.25. En fait on arrive dans les
flancs d'un immense puits remontant dont on descend les 25 derniers
m&egrave;tres pour prendre pied sur un fond plat de graviers. Au fond une
chemin&eacute;e oblique am&egrave;ne un filet d'eau.
m&egrave;tres pour prendre pied sur un fond plat de graviers. Au
fond une chemin&eacute;e oblique am&egrave;ne un filet d'eau.</p>
<p>Une fissure marque le d&eacute;part du m&eacute;andre
Anti-Mati&egrave;re, o&ugrave; l'on rejoint directement le torrent
soutterain. Celui-ci est d'un d&eacute;bit moyen de deux litres seconde mais
peut rapidement passer de 10 &agrave; 15 litres en cas de crues. Le
d&eacute;but du m&eacute;andre est rectiligne et entrecoup&eacute; de 3
petits puits et 2 ressauts. Au sommet du premier s'effectue, par les
plafonds, la jonction avec la r&eacute;seau fossile. Rapidement le
m&eacute;andre se fait moins sympathique: haut et &eacute;troit, il est de
plus tapiss&eacute; de boue (l'anti-mati&egrave;re) ce qui rend le
progression assez p&eacute;nible. Trois puits P.5, P.14 et P.10 coupent la
progression. Ce dernier, suivit d'un ressaut de 3m, donne acc&egrave;s
&agrave; une portion de galerie encombr&eacute;e par l'argile. Au bout de
celle-ci le torrent se perd dans une fissure qui devient rapidement
imp&eacute;n&eacute;trable. La galerie, elle, se prolonge par une branche
fossile peu large. Apr&egrave;s une cinquintaine de m&egrave;tres, le
courant d'air s'engage dans un orifice du sol, d&eacute;part d'un grands
puits de 70m en plusieurs paliers.
<p>A la moiti&eacute; on rejoint le torrent que l'on &eacute;vite par un
puits parall&egrave;le fossile. Imm&eacute;diatement suit un autre puits de
55m totalement arros&eacute; et caract&eacute;ris&eacute; par sa section
elliptique et sa pente r&eacute;guli&egrave;re. Au fond l'eau s'engouffre
dans une fissure d'environ trois m&egrave;tres de long, suivie d'un
&eacute;troit m&eacute;andre que nous n'avons pas pu forcer.
soutterain. Celui-ci est d'un d&eacute;bit moyen de deux litres
seconde mais peut rapidement passer de 10 &agrave; 15 litres en cas
de crues. Le d&eacute;but du m&eacute;andre est rectiligne et
entrecoup&eacute; de 3 petits puits et 2 ressauts. Au sommet du
premier s'effectue, par les plafonds, la jonction avec la
r&eacute;seau fossile. Rapidement le m&eacute;andre se fait moins
sympathique: haut et &eacute;troit, il est de plus tapiss&eacute;
de boue (l'anti-mati&egrave;re) ce qui rend le progression assez
p&eacute;nible. Trois puits P.5, P.14 et P.10 coupent la
progression. Ce dernier, suivit d'un ressaut de 3m, donne
acc&egrave;s &agrave; une portion de galerie encombr&eacute;e par
l'argile. Au bout de celle-ci le torrent se perd dans une fissure
qui devient rapidement imp&eacute;n&eacute;trable. La galerie,
elle, se prolonge par une branche fossile peu large. Apr&egrave;s
une cinquintaine de m&egrave;tres, le courant d'air s'engage dans
un orifice du sol, d&eacute;part d'un grands puits de 70m en
plusieurs paliers.</p>
<p>A la moiti&eacute; on rejoint le torrent que l'on &eacute;vite
par un puits parall&egrave;le fossile. Imm&eacute;diatement suit un
autre puits de 55m totalement arros&eacute; et
caract&eacute;ris&eacute; par sa section elliptique et sa pente
r&eacute;guli&egrave;re. Au fond l'eau s'engouffre dans une fissure
d'environ trois m&egrave;tres de long, suivie d'un &eacute;troit
m&eacute;andre que nous n'avons pas pu forcer.</p>
<h3>R&eacute;seau Fossile</h3>
<p>En amont de la Salle Galactique, une lucarne &agrave; quelques
m&egrave;tres de hauteur, permet d'acc&eacute;der &agrave; une galerie de
belle dimensions (3x3 de moyenne). La Galerie des Petits Hommes Vertes. On
bute sur un ressaut de 3m au bas duquel s'&eacute;coule un petit filet
d'eau, qui emprunte un m&eacute;andre creus&eacute; en dessous de la galerie
fossile (voir plus loin). Apr&egrave;s un r&eacute;tr&eacute;cissement et un
ressaut, le galerie se termine sur un &eacute;boulis entre lequel il est
encore possible de faire une dizaine de m&egrave;tres.
<p>En suivent le m&eacute;andre sous le galerie on aboutit au Puits de la
Gomete (d&eacute;couvert par les Gaumais) P.60 arros&eacute; dans sa
derni&egrave;re partie par le pipi. A la base du puits d'amorce le
m&eacute;andre des Mutants. C'est le m&eacute;andre pour masos par
excellence: bas, &eacute;troit et accrochant... Il se termine par un
s&eacute;rie de ressauts et un P.30 jonctionnant avec le r&eacute;seau
actif.
m&egrave;tres de hauteur, permet d'acc&eacute;der &agrave; une
galerie de belle dimensions (3x3 de moyenne). La Galerie des Petits
Hommes Vertes. On bute sur un ressaut de 3m au bas duquel
s'&eacute;coule un petit filet d'eau, qui emprunte un
m&eacute;andre creus&eacute; en dessous de la galerie fossile (voir
plus loin). Apr&egrave;s un r&eacute;tr&eacute;cissement et un
ressaut, le galerie se termine sur un &eacute;boulis entre lequel
il est encore possible de faire une dizaine de m&egrave;tres.</p>
<p>En suivent le m&eacute;andre sous le galerie on aboutit au Puits
de la Gomete (d&eacute;couvert par les Gaumais) P.60 arros&eacute;
dans sa derni&egrave;re partie par le pipi. A la base du puits
d'amorce le m&eacute;andre des Mutants. C'est le m&eacute;andre
pour masos par excellence: bas, &eacute;troit et accrochant... Il
se termine par un s&eacute;rie de ressauts et un P.30 jonctionnant
avec le r&eacute;seau actif.</p>
<h2>G&eacute;ologie</h2>
<h3>Generalit&eacute;</h3>
<p>Du point de vue g&eacute;ologique, le Gouffre Ovni est un exemple typique
des ph&eacute;nom&egrave;nes karstiques du massif et m&ecircum;me de la plus
grande partie du karst Autrichien. On n'a pas ici de zone de puits donnant
sur un collecteur au niveau imperm&eacute;able (type Pyr&eacute;n&eacute;en)
ni de gouffres &eacute;troits verticaux (type Vercors et Chartreuse). Les
facteurs primordiaux de formation sont la fracturation orog&eacute;nique
intense doubl&eacute;e d'un climat tr&egrave;s pluvieux et d'importantes
chutes de neige depuis le d&eacute;but de l'&egrave;re.
<p>Ces gouffres s'ouvrent donc g&eacute;n&eacute;ralement au profit d'une
forme simple de discontinuit&eacute; dans les calcaires (diaclase,
stratification). Puis ils vont en s'&eacute;largissant de plus en plus pour
rejoindre des ph&eacute;nom&egrave;nes de grande envergure (faille,
super-diaclase). Le collecteur, quand il existe, n'est
g&eacute;n&eacute;ralement que tr&egrave;s court et tr&egrave;s pr&egrave;s
de la resurgence.
<p>Du point de vue g&eacute;ologique, le Gouffre Ovni est un
exemple typique des ph&eacute;nom&egrave;nes karstiques du massif
et m&ecirc;me de la plus grande partie du karst Autrichien.
On n'a pas ici de zone de puits donnant sur un collecteur au niveau
imperm&eacute;able (type Pyr&eacute;n&eacute;en) ni de gouffres
&eacute;troits verticaux (type Vercors et Chartreuse). Les facteurs
primordiaux de formation sont la fracturation orog&eacute;nique
intense doubl&eacute;e d'un climat tr&egrave;s pluvieux et
d'importantes chutes de neige depuis le d&eacute;but de
l'&egrave;re.</p>
<p>Ces gouffres s'ouvrent donc g&eacute;n&eacute;ralement au profit
d'une forme simple de discontinuit&eacute; dans les calcaires
(diaclase, stratification). Puis ils vont en s'&eacute;largissant
de plus en plus pour rejoindre des ph&eacute;nom&egrave;nes de
grande envergure (faille, super-diaclase). Le collecteur, quand il
existe, n'est g&eacute;n&eacute;ralement que tr&egrave;s court et
tr&egrave;s pr&egrave;s de la resurgence.</p>
<h3>Le Gouffre Ovni</h3>
<p>L'Orifice du gouffre est un interstrate d&eacute;gag&eacute; sur deux
m&egrave;tres environ. C'est ensuite une s&eacute;rie de puits, assez
petits, form&eacute;s dans une diaclase assez sinueuse s'&eacute;largissant
suivant le stratification et le pendage tr&egrave;s fort en cette zone. Aux
environs de -200, on commence &agrave; sentir l'influence d'un autre
facteur. Les puits deviennent de plus en plus grands et les parois de plus
en plus nettes. La section devient caract&eacute;ristique d'une faille
orient&eacute;e sommairement O-E (voir sch&eacute;ma no. 1)
<p><center><img alt="sch&eacute;ma 1, 3k gif" width=512 height=128
src="../ovnif1.png"></center>
<p>Cette faille va d&eacute;terminer la majeure partie de la formation du
gouffre. En effet, la suite du r&eacute;seau s'est creus&eacute;e &agrave;
diff&eacute;rents niveaux de cette faille. (sch&eacute;ma no. 2)
<p><img alt="Sch&eacute;ma 2, 3k gif" width=275 height=385 align="left"
hspace=10 vspace=10 src="../ovnif2.png">
<b>Sch&eacute;ma 2: Plan de la faille</b>
<p>L'Orifice du gouffre est un interstrate d&eacute;gag&eacute; sur
deux m&egrave;tres environ. C'est ensuite une s&eacute;rie de
puits, assez petits, form&eacute;s dans une diaclase assez sinueuse
s'&eacute;largissant suivant le stratification et le pendage
tr&egrave;s fort en cette zone. Aux environs de -200, on commence
&agrave; sentir l'influence d'un autre facteur. Les puits
deviennent de plus en plus grands et les parois de plus en plus
nettes. La section devient caract&eacute;ristique d'une faille
orient&eacute;e sommairement O-E (voir sch&eacute;ma no. 1)</p>
<div class="centre">
<img alt="sch&eacute;ma 1, 3k gif" width="512" height="128"
src="../ovnif1.png" /></div>
<p>Cette faille va d&eacute;terminer la majeure partie de la
formation du gouffre. En effet, la suite du r&eacute;seau s'est
creus&eacute;e &agrave; diff&eacute;rents niveaux de cette faille.
(sch&eacute;ma no. 2)</p>
<p><img class="onleft" alt="Sch&eacute;ma 2, 3k gif" width="275" height="385"
src="../ovnif2.png" />
<b>Sch&eacute;ma 2: Plan de la faille</b></p>
<ul>
<li>1e le puits Zorglub et les chemin&eacute;es du P&egrave;re No&euml;l.
<li>2e La Salle Galactique et le premier tiers de la Galerie des Petits Hommes
Vertes (les deux tiers restant sont en interstrates).
<li>3e Le puits &agrave; Descendre le Temps et le puits de la Gaumette avec
le m&eacute;andre des Mutants.
<li>1e le puits Zorglub et les chemin&eacute;es du P&egrave;re
No&euml;l.</li>
<li>2e La Salle Galactique et le premier tiers de la Galerie des
Petits Hommes Vertes (les deux tiers restant sont en
interstrates).</li>
<li>3e Le puits &agrave; Descendre le Temps et le puits de la
Gaumette avec le m&eacute;andre des Mutants.</li>
<li>4e La partie large du m&eacute;andre Anti-Mati&egrave;re (Le
d&eacute;calage de cette partie) par rapport au reste (plan) est du au fait
que la faille est cass&eacute;e en son milieu.
d&eacute;calage de cette partie) par rapport au reste (plan) est du
au fait que la faille est cass&eacute;e en son milieu.</li>
</ul>
<br clear="all">
<p>Suite &agrave; la partie large du m&eacute;andre Anti-Mati&egrave;re, une
zone tr&egrave;s &eacute;troite marque la jonction avec une seconde faille
orient&eacute;e SO-NE qui &agrave; elle seule d&eacute;terminera toute la
suite de gouffre. On pourrait croire en voyant la topo, qu'il s'agit d'un
m&eacute;andre en diaclase vu sa sinuosit&eacute;. En fait la partie
rectiligne et large de cette faille est impracticable car elle surplombe
<p style="clear: both">Suite &agrave; la partie large du m&eacute;andre
Anti-Mati&egrave;re, une zone tr&egrave;s &eacute;troite marque la
jonction avec une seconde faille orient&eacute;e SO-NE qui &agrave;
elle seule d&eacute;terminera toute la suite de gouffre. On
pourrait croire en voyant la topo, qu'il s'agit d'un m&eacute;andre
en diaclase vu sa sinuosit&eacute;. En fait la partie rectiligne et
large de cette faille est impracticable car elle surplombe
continuellement un &agrave;-pic de 6m dont les l&egrave;vres sont
d&eacute;vers&eacute;es et boueuses. L'on est donc oblig&eacute; d'emprunter
le fond en surcreusement. Plus loin on suit une partie plus large, bien
marqu&eacute;e par la faille, Elle est suivie par un d&eacute;crochement
o&ugrave; se perd le ruisseau. La galerie, elle, continue dans la
m&ecircum;me direction, toujours d&eacute;termin&eacute;e par la fissuration.
La zone de puits qui fait suite se d&eacute;veloppe &eacute;galement dans la
partie inf&eacute;rieure de la faille; bien qu'elle ait l'apparence d'une
conduite forc&eacute;e.
d&eacute;vers&eacute;es et boueuses. L'on est donc oblig&eacute;
d'emprunter le fond en surcreusement. Plus loin on suit une partie
plus large, bien marqu&eacute;e par la faille, Elle est suivie par
un d&eacute;crochement o&ugrave; se perd le ruisseau. La galerie,
elle, continue dans la m&ecirc;me direction, toujours
d&eacute;termin&eacute;e par la fissuration. La zone de puits qui
fait suite se d&eacute;veloppe &eacute;galement dans la partie
inf&eacute;rieure de la faille; bien qu'elle ait l'apparence d'une
conduite forc&eacute;e.</p>
<h3>Possibilit&eacute;s de Continuation</h3>
<p>Comme on le remarque &agrave; l'observation de la topo, la Galerie
Principale se prolonge et n'a pas &eacute;t&eacute; explor&eacute;e. Il
semble que l'on soit en pr&eacute;sence d'un simple ph&eacute;nom&egrave;ne
de r&eacute;gression et que logiquement on devrait trouver une autre
s&eacute;rie de puits fossiles permettant de rejoindre le niveau de base.
(Sch&eacute;ma no. 3 et 4)
<center><p><img alt="Sch&eacute;ma 3 - 5k gif" width=480 height=480
src="ovnif3.png"><p><img alt="Sch&eacute;ma 4 - 3k gif" width=325 height=340
src="ovnif4.png"></center>
<p>La puissance du Dachsteinkalk (calcaire jurassique granuleux) avoisine
les 700 m&egrave;tres &agrave; partir de l'entr&eacute;e.
<p>Comme on le remarque &agrave; l'observation de la topo, la
Galerie Principale se prolonge et n'a pas &eacute;t&eacute;
explor&eacute;e. Il semble que l'on soit en pr&eacute;sence d'un
simple ph&eacute;nom&egrave;ne de r&eacute;gression et que
logiquement on devrait trouver une autre s&eacute;rie de puits
fossiles permettant de rejoindre le niveau de base. (Sch&eacute;ma
no. 3 et 4)</p>
<div class="centre">
<img style="border: 2px solid black" alt="Sch&eacute;ma 3 - 5k gif" width="480" height="480"
src="ovnif3.png" />&nbsp; &nbsp;
<img style="border: 2px solid black" alt="Sch&eacute;ma 4 - 3k gif" width="325" height="340"
src="ovnif4.png" />
</div>
<p>La puissance du Dachsteinkalk (calcaire jurassique granuleux)
avoisine les 700 m&egrave;tres &agrave; partir de
l'entr&eacute;e.</p>
<h3>M&eacute;t&eacute;orologie</h3>
<p><img alt="Sch&eacute;ma 5 - 2k gif" width=265 height=435 align=right
hspace=10 vspace=0 src="../ovnif5.png">
<b>Sch&eacute;ma 5: Sch&eacute;ma du courant d'air aux principaux points de
perception:</b>
<p>Comme nous l'avons d&eacute;ja dit, c'est un violent courant d'air qui
etire notre attention sur l'Ovni. Ce courant d'air &eacute;tant soufflant et
la p&eacute;riode &eacute;tant chause (&eacute;t&eacute;), nous devrions
logiquement nous trouver en pr&eacute;sence d'une entr&eacute;e
interm&eacute;diaire. Vu la violence du courant d'air froid chass&eacute;,
l'existence d'une entr&eacute;e sup&eacute;rieure est quasi certaine. La
prospection du mamelon dominant l'entr&eacute;e n'a pas donn&eacute;
resultats. Il s'agit l&agrave; d'un objectif &agrave; revoir car la
v&eacute;g&eacute;tation et les aspics ne nous ont pas permis d'operer un
quadrillage efficace.
<p>La jonction avec cet orofice sup&eacute;rieur devrait s'effectuer au
niveau de la galerie des Petits Hommes Vertes; soit par la chemin&eacute;e
arros&eacute;e de la fin de la faille I, soit par les plafonds aux 2/3,
l&agrave; ou l'on perd le courant d'air. D'autre part, la pr&eacute;sence au
fond d'un courant d'air violent lui aussi, laissarait pr&eacute;sumer d'une
sortie inf&eacute;rieure, vraisemblablement d'une r&eacute;surgence fossile.
Cependant il ne s'agit l&agrave; que de suppositions, les caprices d'un
courant d'air sont trop d&eacute;licats &agrave; traiter.
<br clear="all">
<h3>Conclusions</h3>
<p>On voit par la br&egrave;ve analyse du gouffre que les chances de
continuation ne sont pas minimes. Or cette cavit&eacute; n'est pas
extr&egrave;mement difficile d'acc&egrave;s, ni d'exploration. Des travaux
pourraient y &ecircum;tre repris tr&egrave;s prochainement, mais il ne s'agit
cependant que d'un objectif secondaire compar&eacute; aux
possibilit&eacute;s Autrichiennes.
<p>G.Feller. GSAB.
<p><img alt="Sch&eacute;ma 5 - 2k gif" width="265" height="435"
class="onright" src="../ovnif5.png" />
<b>Sch&eacute;ma 5: Sch&eacute;ma du courant d'air aux principaux
points de perception:</b></p>
<p>Comme nous l'avons d&eacute;ja dit, c'est un violent courant
d'air qui etire notre attention sur l'Ovni. Ce courant d'air
&eacute;tant soufflant et la p&eacute;riode &eacute;tant chause
(&eacute;t&eacute;), nous devrions logiquement nous trouver en
pr&eacute;sence d'une entr&eacute;e interm&eacute;diaire. Vu la
violence du courant d'air froid chass&eacute;, l'existence d'une
entr&eacute;e sup&eacute;rieure est quasi certaine. La prospection
du mamelon dominant l'entr&eacute;e n'a pas donn&eacute; resultats.
Il s'agit l&agrave; d'un objectif &agrave; revoir car la
v&eacute;g&eacute;tation et les aspics ne nous ont pas permis
d'operer un quadrillage efficace.</p>
<p>La jonction avec cet orofice sup&eacute;rieur devrait
s'effectuer au niveau de la galerie des Petits Hommes Vertes; soit
par la chemin&eacute;e arros&eacute;e de la fin de la faille I,
soit par les plafonds aux 2/3, l&agrave; ou l'on perd le courant
d'air. D'autre part, la pr&eacute;sence au fond d'un courant d'air
violent lui aussi, laissarait pr&eacute;sumer d'une sortie
inf&eacute;rieure, vraisemblablement d'une r&eacute;surgence
fossile. Cependant il ne s'agit l&agrave; que de suppositions, les
caprices d'un courant d'air sont trop d&eacute;licats &agrave;
traiter.</p>
<h3 style="clear: both">Conclusions</h3>
<p>On voit par la br&egrave;ve analyse du gouffre que les chances
de continuation ne sont pas minimes. Or cette cavit&eacute; n'est
pas extr&egrave;mement difficile d'acc&egrave;s, ni d'exploration.
Des travaux pourraient y &ecirc;tre repris tr&egrave;s
prochainement, mais il ne s'agit cependant que d'un objectif
secondaire compar&eacute; aux possibilit&eacute;s
Autrichiennes.</p>
<p>G.Feller. GSAB.</p>
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<center><font size=-1>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 1
(Juin 1977) pp 33-49</font>
<h1 lang="de">TOTES GEBIRGE</h1>
<h2>Description des principaux gouffres de la zone ouest du massif</h2></center>
<p><b>Introduction</b>: le choix de cette zone est tout &agrave; fait
arbitraire. En effet, il y a tr&egrave;s peu de chance que cette zone soit
drain&eacute;e par le m&ecirc;me complexe hydrologique. Si pour certains
r&eacute;seaux la ou les resurgences pr&eacute;sum&eacute;es sont
pratiquement certaines, il n'en est pas de m&ecirc;me pour les autres qui
peuvent prendre des directions totalement oppos&eacute;es ! Notre choix est
fonction des moyen d'acc&egrave;s: routes, telebenne, sentier, refuge etc.
Les <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> qui sont un des plus grands massifs
karstique d'Autriche n'est ais&eacute;ment accessible qu'en certains
endroits, dont celoi que nous passons en revue. De cette zone il y a
plusieurs kilom&egrave;tres de lapiaz totalement vierge. Plusieurs heures de
marche sont necessaire pour y aller. De plus dans cette zone seule une infime
partie est plus ou moins prospect&eacute;e. Il s'agit de la vall&eacute;e de
<span lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, de la <span lang="de">Feuertal</span> et
des abords du sentier qui y conduit ainsi que des parois nord du <span
lang="de">Hagender Kogel</span> dans lesquelles s'ouvre la <span
lang="de">Tropfsteinh&ouml;hle</span> qui &eacute;tait extraordinairement
concr&eacute;tionn&eacute;e mais qui est compl&egrave;tement pill&eacute;e
aujourd'hui.
<p style="text-align: center; font-size: 65%">(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 1
(Juin 1977) pp 33-49</p>
<h1 lang="de" xml:lang="de">TOTES GEBIRGE</h1>
<h2 style="text-align: center">Description des principaux gouffres de la zone
ouest du massif</h2>
<p><b>Introduction</b>: le choix de cette zone est tout &agrave;
fait arbitraire. En effet, il y a tr&egrave;s peu de chance que
cette zone soit drain&eacute;e par le m&ecirc;me complexe
hydrologique. Si pour certains r&eacute;seaux la ou les resurgences
pr&eacute;sum&eacute;es sont pratiquement certaines, il n'en est
pas de m&ecirc;me pour les autres qui peuvent prendre des
directions totalement oppos&eacute;es ! Notre choix est fonction
des moyen d'acc&egrave;s: routes, telebenne, sentier, refuge etc.
Les <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> qui sont un
des plus grands massifs karstique d'Autriche n'est ais&eacute;ment
accessible qu'en certains endroits, dont celoi que nous passons en
revue. De cette zone il y a plusieurs kilom&egrave;tres de lapiaz
totalement vierge. Plusieurs heures de marche sont necessaire pour
y aller. De plus dans cette zone seule une infime partie est plus
ou moins prospect&eacute;e. Il s'agit de la vall&eacute;e de
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, de la <span lang=
"de" xml:lang="de">Feuertal</span> et des abords du sentier qui y
conduit ainsi que des parois nord du <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Hagender Kogel</span> dans lesquelles s'ouvre la <span lang=
"de" xml:lang="de">Tropfsteinh&ouml;hle</span> qui &eacute;tait
extraordinairement concr&eacute;tionn&eacute;e mais qui est
compl&egrave;tement pill&eacute;e aujourd'hui.</p>
<p><b>Recherches Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o</b>: ont &eacute;t&eacute;
principalement men&eacute;es par nos amis Autrichiens de Haute-Autriche, un
groupe Anglais, deux groupes Fran&ccedil;ais et nous. Pour notre part nous
n'avons pratiquement pas prospect&eacute;, sauf en 1976. Nous nous sommes
content&eacute;s de descendre certains trous rep&eacute;r&eacute;s et encore
pas tous ( nous le regrettons am&egrave;rement aujourd'hui car d'autre ont
trouv&eacute; &agrave; notre place ). Notre effort s'est surtout port&eacute;
sur l'<span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>, mais un manque chronique de
sp&eacute;l&eacute;os valables et de pratique de pointe ( en 75 nous
&eacute;tions 4 ). ne nous ont pas permis d'avancer comme nous l'aurions
d&eacute;sir&eacute;e.
<p><b>Geologie-Hydrologie</b>: n'&eacute;tant pas g&eacute;ologue et n'en
ayant pas au groupe nous ne ferons qu'esquisser les grandes lignes. La grosse
majorit&eacute; de la r&eacute;gion est constitu&eacute;e de <span
lang="de">Dachsteinkalk</span> avec aussi certaines poches de Dolomie bien
visibles &agrave; certains endroits et notamment au nord de l'<span
lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>. Un autre probl&egrave;me, la pr&eacute;sence
d'une nappe de charriage entre -400 et -500 qui risque de cr&eacute;er des
ennuis au Gouffre des Aieux. Pour le <span lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, le
drainage est pratiquement certain: la resurgence de crue serait la <span
lang="de">Nagelstegh&ouml;hle</span> au sud du trou et au nord d'<span
lang="de">Altaussee</span>. La jonction entre les deux devrait &ecirc;tre
possible soit directement soit par plong&eacute;e. Le QUELLI devrait lui
aussi se diriger dans la m&ecirc;me direction si du moins on en croit le
pendage. N&eacute;anmoins le Quelli s'ouvrant &agrave; 2km au NE du <span
lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, il faut &ecirc;tre tr&egrave;s
r&eacute;serv&eacute;.
<p>L'<b lang="de">AHNENSCHACHT</b> se situ&eacute; dans une zone
limit&eacute;e tr&egrave;s compl&egrave;xe, et peut tr&egrave;s bien se
diriger dans plusieurs directions totalement oppos&eacute;es. Il est
tr&egrave;s possible que plusieurs directions sont valables. Les explorations
ne sont pas suffisamment &eacute;loign&eacute;es en plan pour pouvoir se
prononcer.
<p>L'<b>EMPAGADURE</b> et le <b>Gouffre OVNI</b> devraient normalement se
diriger vers le nord ou de tr&egrave;s nombreuses resurgences sont visibles.
Les autres directions ne sont cependant pas &agrave; n&eacute;gliger. De
toutes fa&ccedil;ons les explorations serons pouss&eacute;es beaucoup plus
loin cette ann&eacute;e et nous y verrons peut-&ecirc;tre plus clair.
<p>Du point de vue Hydrologique il est tr&egrave;s regrettable qu'aucunes
colorations n'aient pu &ecirc;tre r&eacute;alis&eacute;es et cela par manque
d'autorisation de collaboration et d'interet !!!
<h2 lang="de"><a id="id55">RAUCHERKARH&Ouml;HLENSYSTEM</a></h2>
<p>Styrie <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> 1632m<br>
Profondeur: -723m<br>
D&eacute;veloppement: environ 20km<br>
Fond: Siphon
<p><b>Situation</b>: partie Ouest du <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span>, au
Sud de <span lang="de">Sch&ouml;nberg</span>, 2km au SO du
<span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>.
<p><b>Historique</b>: la premi&egrave;re explo commence en 1961. En 65 la
cavit&eacute; comporte 6 km de galeries pour 246m de profondeur.
L'exp&eacute; f&eacute;d&eacute;rale Autrichienne de 65 permet d'atteindre
-530m. En 73, le <span lang="de"><acronym>LVfHK</acronym> Ober&ouml;sterreich
&amp; Steiermark</span> touchent le siphon &agrave; -723m.
D&eacute;veloppement 18km.
<p><b>Description</b>: le gouffre ne comprend pas moins de 13 entr&eacute;es
&eacute;tag&eacute;es entre 1500 et 1632m d'altitude. Le r&eacute;seau
labyrinthique comporte plusieurs &eacute;tages se d&eacute;veloppant en
grande partie vers le Sud en direction de la
<b lang="de">NAGELSTEGH&Ouml;HLE</b> ( Resurgence probable, alt.: 850m ). Il
est int&eacute;ressant de noter que le siphon terminal a pu &ecirc;tre
atteint en contournant systematiquement les puits de plus de 90-40m.
<p><b>Auteur de la Fiche</b>: Etienne Degrave.
<h2><a id="id120">QUELLI</a> ou
<span lang="de">KACHERLSCHACHT</span></h2>
<p><span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> Ouest - <span lang="de">Feuertal -
Sch&ouml;nberg</span><br>
Profondeur: -708m<br>
Altitude: ~1950m
<p><b>Historique</b>: D&eacute;couvert en 1973 par le <acronym>GSAB</acronym>
sous le nom de T3. Red&eacute;couvert en juilllet 76 par J.M.Piron
explor&eacute; du 12 au 23 juillet par A.C.Toulon, S.C.Toulon, Lou Darboun et
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie.
<p><b>Description</b>: P8, p19, p83, p33, p24, p17, p5, p33, p24, p9, p33,
p27, p103. A -400m, on acc&egrave;de &agrave; une vaste galerie avec amont et
aval. La galerie aval d&eacute;bouche au sommet d'un p84. Suit alors un
m&eacute;andre entrecoup&eacute; de petits puits dont un p 15 terminus de
l'exploration &agrave; -708m.
<p>Etienne Degrave
<h2><a id="id117">EMPAGADURE</a></h2>
<p><span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> Ouest - <span lang="de">Hintergras</span><br>
Profondeur: -587m<br>
Altitude: 1610m
<p><b>Historique</b>: D&eacute;couvert en juillet 1976 par F.Vergier.
Explor&eacute; du 12 au 23 juillet 76 par l'A.C.Toulon, S.C.Toulon, Lou
Darboun, Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie.
<p><b>Description</b>: jusqu'&agrave; -287m, le gouffre est constitu&eacute;
de puits modestes entrecoup&eacute;s de m&eacute;andres &eacute;troits : p8,
p12, p17, p9, p20, p3, p12, p30, p7, p6, p9, p8, p7, p5, p34, p6, p8, p5, p9.
A -287m, un p21 permet de d&eacute;boucher dans une grande salle. L'eau
disparait dans les &eacute;boulis pour r&eacute;apparaitre dans toute une
s&eacute;rie de puits arros&eacute;s dont le plus profond mesure 30m. Les
crues ont emp&eacute;ch&eacute; l'exploration du fond de cette branche:
&agrave; -456m, un puits d'vingtaine de m&egrave;tres &eacute;tait vraiment
trop arros&eacute; pour &ecirc;tre descendu. A -488m, un passage bas
&eacute;tait aussi trop humide. De plus le courant d'air y &eacute;tait
faible ou nul. Dans la salle &agrave; -308m une remont&eacute;e d'une
quinzaine de m&egrave;tres permet d'acc&eacute;der &agrave; un m&eacute;andre
fossile assez large ou souffle un courant d'air sensible. Au bout de 30m ce
m&eacute;andre s'ouvre sur l'&eacute;norme Puits de Naufrag&eacute;s, d'une
section moyenne de 15m sur 25m. Dans ce puits, plusieurs arriv&eacute;es
d'eau venaient vraisemblablement de la premi&egrave;re branche
explor&eacute;e. La bas de puits se r&eacute;tr&eacute;cit en diaclase,
l'exploration s'&eacute;tant arret&eacute;e au sommet d'un puits
estim&eacute; &agrave; 40m.
<p>Etienne Degrave
<h2 lang="de"><a id="id50">AHNENSCHACHT</a></h2>
<p>Situation: <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> Ouest - <span
lang="de">Feuertal</span><br>
Profondeur: -612m<br>
D&eacute;veloppement: + de 5km.<br>
Altitude: 1890m
principalement men&eacute;es par nos amis Autrichiens de
Haute-Autriche, un groupe Anglais, deux groupes Fran&ccedil;ais et
nous. Pour notre part nous n'avons pratiquement pas
prospect&eacute;, sauf en 1976. Nous nous sommes content&eacute;s
de descendre certains trous rep&eacute;r&eacute;s et encore pas
tous ( nous le regrettons am&egrave;rement aujourd'hui car d'autre
ont trouv&eacute; &agrave; notre place ). Notre effort s'est
surtout port&eacute; sur l'<span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span>, mais un manque chronique de
sp&eacute;l&eacute;os valables et de pratique de pointe ( en 75
nous &eacute;tions 4 ). ne nous ont pas permis d'avancer comme nous
l'aurions d&eacute;sir&eacute;e.</p>
<p><b>Geologie-Hydrologie</b>: n'&eacute;tant pas g&eacute;ologue
et n'en ayant pas au groupe nous ne ferons qu'esquisser les grandes
lignes. La grosse majorit&eacute; de la r&eacute;gion est
constitu&eacute;e de <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Dachsteinkalk</span> avec aussi certaines poches de Dolomie
bien visibles &agrave; certains endroits et notamment au nord de
l'<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span>. Un autre
probl&egrave;me, la pr&eacute;sence d'une nappe de charriage entre
-400 et -500 qui risque de cr&eacute;er des ennuis au Gouffre des
Aieux. Pour le <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, le
drainage est pratiquement certain: la resurgence de crue serait la
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Nagelstegh&ouml;hle</span> au sud du
trou et au nord d'<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Altaussee</span>.
La jonction entre les deux devrait &ecirc;tre possible soit
directement soit par plong&eacute;e. Le QUELLI devrait lui aussi se
diriger dans la m&ecirc;me direction si du moins on en croit le
pendage. N&eacute;anmoins le Quelli s'ouvrant &agrave; 2km au NE du
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Raucherkar</span>, il faut &ecirc;tre
tr&egrave;s r&eacute;serv&eacute;.</p>
<p>L'<b lang="de" xml:lang="de">AHNENSCHACHT</b> se situ&eacute;
dans une zone limit&eacute;e tr&egrave;s compl&egrave;xe, et peut
tr&egrave;s bien se diriger dans plusieurs directions totalement
oppos&eacute;es. Il est tr&egrave;s possible que plusieurs
directions sont valables. Les explorations ne sont pas suffisamment
&eacute;loign&eacute;es en plan pour pouvoir se prononcer.</p>
<p>L'<b>EMPAGADURE</b> et le <b>Gouffre OVNI</b> devraient
normalement se diriger vers le nord ou de tr&egrave;s nombreuses
resurgences sont visibles. Les autres directions ne sont cependant
pas &agrave; n&eacute;gliger. De toutes fa&ccedil;ons les
explorations serons pouss&eacute;es beaucoup plus loin cette
ann&eacute;e et nous y verrons peut-&ecirc;tre plus clair.</p>
<p>Du point de vue Hydrologique il est tr&egrave;s regrettable
qu'aucunes colorations n'aient pu &ecirc;tre
r&eacute;alis&eacute;es et cela par manque d'autorisation de
collaboration et d'interet !!!</p>
<h2 lang="de" xml:lang="de"><a id="id55" name=
"id55">RAUCHERKARH&Ouml;HLENSYSTEM</a></h2>
<p>Styrie <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span>
1632m<br />
Profondeur: -723m<br />
D&eacute;veloppement: environ 20km<br />
Fond: Siphon</p>
<p><b>Situation</b>: partie Ouest du <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Totes Gebirge</span>, au Sud de <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Sch&ouml;nberg</span>, 2km au SO du <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span>.</p>
<p><b>Historique</b>: la premi&egrave;re explo commence en 1961. En
65 la cavit&eacute; comporte 6 km de galeries pour 246m de
profondeur. L'exp&eacute; f&eacute;d&eacute;rale Autrichienne de 65
permet d'atteindre -530m. En 73, le <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de"><acronym>LVfHK</acronym> Ober&ouml;sterreich &amp;
Steiermark</span> touchent le siphon &agrave; -723m.
D&eacute;veloppement 18km.</p>
<p><b>Description</b>: le gouffre ne comprend pas moins de 13
entr&eacute;es &eacute;tag&eacute;es entre 1500 et 1632m
d'altitude. Le r&eacute;seau labyrinthique comporte plusieurs
&eacute;tages se d&eacute;veloppant en grande partie vers le Sud en
direction de la <b lang="de" xml:lang="de">NAGELSTEGH&Ouml;HLE</b>
( Resurgence probable, alt.: 850m ). Il est int&eacute;ressant de
noter que le siphon terminal a pu &ecirc;tre atteint en contournant
systematiquement les puits de plus de 90-40m.</p>
<p><b>Auteur de la Fiche</b>: Etienne Degrave.</p>
<h2><a id="id120" name="id120">QUELLI</a> ou <span lang="de"
xml:lang="de">KACHERLSCHACHT</span></h2>
<p><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> Ouest -
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Feuertal -
Sch&ouml;nberg</span><br />
Profondeur: -708m<br />
Altitude: ~1950m</p>
<p><b>Historique</b>: D&eacute;couvert en 1973 par le
<acronym>GSAB</acronym> sous le nom de T3. Red&eacute;couvert en
juilllet 76 par J.M.Piron explor&eacute; du 12 au 23 juillet par
A.C.Toulon, S.C.Toulon, Lou Darboun et Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o
Ragaie.</p>
<p><b>Description</b>: P8, p19, p83, p33, p24, p17, p5, p33, p24,
p9, p33, p27, p103. A -400m, on acc&egrave;de &agrave; une vaste
galerie avec amont et aval. La galerie aval d&eacute;bouche au
sommet d'un p84. Suit alors un m&eacute;andre entrecoup&eacute; de
petits puits dont un p 15 terminus de l'exploration &agrave;
-708m.</p>
<p>Etienne Degrave</p>
<h2><a id="id117" name="id117">EMPAGADURE</a></h2>
<p><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> Ouest -
<span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Hintergras</span><br />
Profondeur: -587m<br />
Altitude: 1610m</p>
<p><b>Historique</b>: D&eacute;couvert en juillet 1976 par
F.Vergier. Explor&eacute; du 12 au 23 juillet 76 par l'A.C.Toulon,
S.C.Toulon, Lou Darboun, Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie.</p>
<p><b>Description</b>: jusqu'&agrave; -287m, le gouffre est
constitu&eacute; de puits modestes entrecoup&eacute;s de
m&eacute;andres &eacute;troits : p8, p12, p17, p9, p20, p3, p12,
p30, p7, p6, p9, p8, p7, p5, p34, p6, p8, p5, p9. A -287m, un p21
permet de d&eacute;boucher dans une grande salle. L'eau disparait
dans les &eacute;boulis pour r&eacute;apparaitre dans toute une
s&eacute;rie de puits arros&eacute;s dont le plus profond mesure
30m. Les crues ont emp&eacute;ch&eacute; l'exploration du fond de
cette branche: &agrave; -456m, un puits d'vingtaine de
m&egrave;tres &eacute;tait vraiment trop arros&eacute; pour
&ecirc;tre descendu. A -488m, un passage bas &eacute;tait aussi
trop humide. De plus le courant d'air y &eacute;tait faible ou nul.
Dans la salle &agrave; -308m une remont&eacute;e d'une quinzaine de
m&egrave;tres permet d'acc&eacute;der &agrave; un m&eacute;andre
fossile assez large ou souffle un courant d'air sensible. Au bout
de 30m ce m&eacute;andre s'ouvre sur l'&eacute;norme Puits de
Naufrag&eacute;s, d'une section moyenne de 15m sur 25m. Dans ce
puits, plusieurs arriv&eacute;es d'eau venaient vraisemblablement
de la premi&egrave;re branche explor&eacute;e. La bas de puits se
r&eacute;tr&eacute;cit en diaclase, l'exploration s'&eacute;tant
arret&eacute;e au sommet d'un puits estim&eacute; &agrave; 40m.</p>
<p>Etienne Degrave</p>
<h2 lang="de" xml:lang="de"><a id="id50" name=
"id50">AHNENSCHACHT</a></h2>
<p>Situation: <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span>
Ouest - <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Feuertal</span><br />
Profondeur: -612m<br />
D&eacute;veloppement: + de 5km.<br />
Altitude: 1890m</p>
<p><b>Historique</b>: D&eacute;couvert par nos coll&egrave;gues de
Haute-Autriche en 1856. La cote -320m est atteinte par ceux-ci en 1958. En
1967 et 1968 le Bristol Exploration Club atteind -400m, le r&eacute;seau
horizontal, sur 1km, est d&eacute;couvert. En 1972, 73, 74 et 75, le
<acronym>GSAB</acronym> "Les Gours" explore et d&eacute;couvre plus de 5km de
galeries et explore environ 1500m de puits. Ce qui lui permet d'atteindre
-612m. On note &eacute;galement la participation, en 1974, de trois clubs
Fran&ccedil;ais de l'Est de la France: S.C.Vesoul, G.S.Clerval et S.S.Daules.
En 1975 le <acronym>CARSS</acronym> a particip&eacute; &agrave; la
mini-exp&eacute; de juillet ainsi que le <acronym>CASEO</acronym> en
Ao&ucirc;t.
Haute-Autriche en 1856. La cote -320m est atteinte par ceux-ci en
1958. En 1967 et 1968 le Bristol Exploration Club atteind -400m, le
r&eacute;seau horizontal, sur 1km, est d&eacute;couvert. En 1972,
73, 74 et 75, le <acronym>GSAB</acronym> "Les Gours" explore et
d&eacute;couvre plus de 5km de galeries et explore environ 1500m de
puits. Ce qui lui permet d'atteindre -612m. On note
&eacute;galement la participation, en 1974, de trois clubs
Fran&ccedil;ais de l'Est de la France: S.C.Vesoul, G.S.Clerval et
S.S.Daules. En 1975 le <acronym>CARSS</acronym> a particip&eacute;
&agrave; la mini-exp&eacute; de juillet ainsi que le
<acronym>CASEO</acronym> en Ao&ucirc;t.</p>
<h3>Description: Puits d'entr&eacute;e</h3>
<p>L'entr&eacute;e s'ouvre dans une petite doline situ&eacute;e sur la
cr&ecirc;te limitant le <span lang="de">Feuertal</span> du <span
lang="de">Hintergras</span>. Le gouffre d&eacute;bute par quatre puits (p14,
p11, p5 et p11) qui donnent acc&egrave;s sur une pente form&eacute;e de gros
blocs (corde souhaitable). Ensuite une autre s&eacute;rie de petits puits (p9, p7, p6, p4, p10, p18, p11) d'o&ugrave; l'on acc&egrave;de &agrave; la
"Terrasse Suintante" &agrave; -141m de profondeur.
<p>A partir de l&agrave;, on a termin&eacute; la zone de petits puits et l'on
arrive dans une s&eacute;rie de puits qui en r&eacute;alit&eacute; n'en
constitue qu'un seul jusqu'&agrave; -400m.
<p>L'entr&eacute;e s'ouvre dans une petite doline situ&eacute;e sur
la cr&ecirc;te limitant le <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Feuertal</span> du <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Hintergras</span>. Le gouffre d&eacute;bute par quatre puits
(p14, p11, p5 et p11) qui donnent acc&egrave;s sur une pente
form&eacute;e de gros blocs (corde souhaitable). Ensuite une autre
s&eacute;rie de petits puits (p9, p7, p6, p4, p10, p18, p11)
d'o&ugrave; l'on acc&egrave;de &agrave; la "Terrasse Suintante"
&agrave; -141m de profondeur.</p>
<p>A partir de l&agrave;, on a termin&eacute; la zone de petits
puits et l'on arrive dans une s&eacute;rie de puits qui en
r&eacute;alit&eacute; n'en constitue qu'un seul jusqu'&agrave;
-400m.</p>
<p>En effet, exp&eacute;rience faite avec un kid. tomb&eacute;
malencontreusement, tout ce qui tombe de la "Terrasse Suintante" arrive
&agrave; -400. Les puits sont g&eacute;n&eacute;ralement arros&eacute;,
surtout apr&egrave;s un orage... Voici la Liste de ces puits: p25, Puits
Ecailleux 30, p10, Puits Stable 32, Puits Fourchette 48, rampe de 10m, Puits
Josef 100m. Pour la Puits Josef, un pendule &agrave; 6m de l'entr&eacute;e
permet d'atteindre la porte du r&eacute;seau dit "Horizontal". Si
l'on descend le Puits Josef on peut, apr&egrave;s deux puits de 6.5 et 10m,
explorer un large m&eacute;andre, actif dans le fond et se terminant sur
fissure. Ce m&eacute;andre est fossile dans le haut et pr&eacute;sente
certainement des possibilit&eacute;s de continuation.
malencontreusement, tout ce qui tombe de la "Terrasse Suintante"
arrive &agrave; -400. Les puits sont g&eacute;n&eacute;ralement
arros&eacute;, surtout apr&egrave;s un orage... Voici la Liste de
ces puits: p25, Puits Ecailleux 30, p10, Puits Stable 32, Puits
Fourchette 48, rampe de 10m, Puits Josef 100m. Pour la Puits Josef,
un pendule &agrave; 6m de l'entr&eacute;e permet d'atteindre la
porte du r&eacute;seau dit "Horizontal". Si l'on descend le Puits
Josef on peut, apr&egrave;s deux puits de 6.5 et 10m, explorer un
large m&eacute;andre, actif dans le fond et se terminant sur
fissure. Ce m&eacute;andre est fossile dans le haut et
pr&eacute;sente certainement des possibilit&eacute;s de
continuation.</p>
<h4>R&eacute;seau Horizontal</h4>
<p>Apr&egrave;s avoir franchis la "Porte" et une courte &eacute;troiture, on
p&eacute;n&egrave;tre dans le r&eacute;seau proprement dit. Celui-ci
d&eacute;bute par une galerie couverte de concr&eacute;tions assez
sp&eacute;ciales. Le premier embranchement permet d'acc&eacute;der au
r&eacute;seau... [ <span lang="en">line(s) lost at end of photocopy page
here</span> ]
<p>Apr&egrave;s avoir franchis la "Porte" et une courte
&eacute;troiture, on p&eacute;n&egrave;tre dans le r&eacute;seau
proprement dit. Celui-ci d&eacute;bute par une galerie couverte de
concr&eacute;tions assez sp&eacute;ciales. Le premier embranchement
permet d'acc&eacute;der au r&eacute;seau... [ <span lang="en"
xml:lang="en">line(s) lost at end of photocopy page here</span>
]</p>
<h4>Potager Fleuri</h4>
<p>Ce r&eacute;seau fossile, qui n'a &eacute;t&eacute; que parcouru, contient
encore de nombreuses possibilit&eacute;s. Trois acc&eacute;s principaux nous
y conduisent: le puits d&eacute;ja mentionn&eacute;, un peu avant le
"Belgica" une fissure descendante et une galerie en pente et
concr&eacute;tionn&eacute;e, dans la salle du "Puits Mammouth". Le
r&eacute;seau comporte une vaste salle de nombreuses galeries et carrefours;
il est tr&egrave;s malconnu et pourrait r&eacute;server de grosses surprises.
<p>En continuant la galerie, on passe un seuil de 4m et l'on trouve un
carrefour sur la gauche qui sert de bivouac.
<p>Ce r&eacute;seau fossile, qui n'a &eacute;t&eacute; que
parcouru, contient encore de nombreuses possibilit&eacute;s. Trois
acc&eacute;s principaux nous y conduisent: le puits d&eacute;ja
mentionn&eacute;, un peu avant le "Belgica" une fissure descendante
et une galerie en pente et concr&eacute;tionn&eacute;e, dans la
salle du "Puits Mammouth". Le r&eacute;seau comporte une vaste
salle de nombreuses galeries et carrefours; il est tr&egrave;s
malconnu et pourrait r&eacute;server de grosses surprises.</p>
<p>En continuant la galerie, on passe un seuil de 4m et l'on trouve
un carrefour sur la gauche qui sert de bivouac.</p>
<h4>R&eacute;seau Belgica</h4>
<p>Apr&egrave;s le bivouac, il y a directement un p10 et au bas un nouveau
carrefour: &agrave; l'aval la galerie "Belgica" d'assez petite dimension
permet, apr&egrave;s avoir laisser trois puits sur le cot&eacute;, de
descendre un p8, un p17 et d'arriver sur des &eacute;troitures franchies par
nos coll&egrave;gues Fran&ccedil;ais. A revoir.
<p>A l'amont, d&eacute;couverte par D.Motte et <acronym>PIE</acronym>, au
cours de l'exp&eacute;dition de 1974; s'ouvre la "Galerie des Francs
comtois". Grosse galerie fossile remontante entrecoup&eacute;e de
travers&eacute;es, de ressauts et de puits. Elle permet de remonter
jusqu'&agrave; -90. A -150 un p20 a permis de trouver le
"R&eacute;som&eacute;ga".
<p>Un peu avant le p20 un court m&eacute;andre descendant permet d'eviter le
p20 et la s&eacute;rie d'&eacute;troiture lui succ&eacute;dant. Le
"R&eacute;som&eacute;ga" est une galerie alternativement descendante et
remontante, tr&egrave;s chaotique, entrecoup&eacute;e de nombreuses
carrefours et puits, qui m&egrave;ne au "Balcon du Visionnaire", offrant
plusieurs possibilit&eacute;s. Un p60 donnant sur un autre p60 non descendu.
<p>Apr&egrave;s le bivouac, il y a directement un p10 et au bas un
nouveau carrefour: &agrave; l'aval la galerie "Belgica" d'assez
petite dimension permet, apr&egrave;s avoir laisser trois puits sur
le cot&eacute;, de descendre un p8, un p17 et d'arriver sur des
&eacute;troitures franchies par nos coll&egrave;gues
Fran&ccedil;ais. A revoir.</p>
<p>A l'amont, d&eacute;couverte par D.Motte et
<acronym>PIE</acronym>, au cours de l'exp&eacute;dition de 1974;
s'ouvre la "Galerie des Francs comtois". Grosse galerie fossile
remontante entrecoup&eacute;e de travers&eacute;es, de ressauts et
de puits. Elle permet de remonter jusqu'&agrave; -90. A -150 un p20
a permis de trouver le "R&eacute;som&eacute;ga".</p>
<p>Un peu avant le p20 un court m&eacute;andre descendant permet
d'eviter le p20 et la s&eacute;rie d'&eacute;troiture lui
succ&eacute;dant. Le "R&eacute;som&eacute;ga" est une galerie
alternativement descendante et remontante, tr&egrave;s chaotique,
entrecoup&eacute;e de nombreuses carrefours et puits, qui
m&egrave;ne au "Balcon du Visionnaire", offrant plusieurs
possibilit&eacute;s. Un p60 donnant sur un autre p60 non descendu.
Un autre grand puits de plus de 100m et une galerie remontante non
termin&eacute;e. Un peu avant le p10 a permis d'explorer une galerie
entrecoup&eacute;e de trois carrefours et de 7 d&eacute;parts !!!! Ceci
montre la complexit&eacute; &agrave; laquelle nous nous heurtons.
<p>C'est &eacute;galement au "Balcon du Visionnaire" qu'a eu lieu l'accident
de 1975, qui a arret&eacute; l'exploration cette ann&eacute;e l&agrave;.
<p>En reprenant la galerie horizontale et apr&egrave;s avoir pass&eacute; une
petite mont&eacute;e encombr&eacute;e de blocs, on rencontre une
arriv&eacute;e d'eau, baptis&eacute;e "Le Bain". Celle-ci a &eacute;t&eacute;
suivie sur une petite longeur, avec arret sur puits. A terminer.
<p>L'embranchement suivant a &eacute;t&eacute; nomm&eacute; "Carrefour du
Mammouth" car la galerie de droite donne sur le puits du m&ecirc;me nom. Il
faut d'ailleur faire tr&egrave;s attention de ne pas glisser car se serait
alors la chute dans celui-ci.
<p>Les Puits Mammouth, Parapuits et probablement le Puits Negus, font partie
d'un m&ecirc;me r&eacute;seau ( voir topo ) qui se compose d'un p146, d'un
p10 et d'un m&eacute;andre &eacute;troit entrecoup&eacute; de nombreuses
cascades, finalement un p35 donne sur un siphon &agrave; -612m. Le
"Parapuits" p106 est suivi de: p5, p10, p50 et tombe par celui-ci dans le
"M&eacute;andre du Mammouth".
<p>Le "Puits du N&eacute;gus", non descendu, devrait donner &eacute;galement
dans le m&ecirc;me m&eacute;andre. Plusieurs autres petits puits et
m&eacute;andres actifs devraient &eacute;galement rejoindre ce r&eacute;seau.
<p>La cote -612m est sujette &agrave; caution car la m&eacute;thode topo
employ&eacute;e ( hauteur d'homme ) est assez impr&eacute;cise. La cote
pourrait se situer entre -580 et -630m. Le manque de temps ne nous a pas
permis de refaire ces topos. Peut-&ecirc;tre cette ann&eacute;e ????
<p>En prenant &agrave; gauche, la "Galerie Zipfer" se parcourt sur 150m avant
de rencontrer un embranchement important: &agrave; gauche la "Galerie des
Chemin&eacute;es", &agrave; droite la galerie du "Courant d'air".
termin&eacute;e. Un peu avant le p10 a permis d'explorer une
galerie entrecoup&eacute;e de trois carrefours et de 7
d&eacute;parts !!!! Ceci montre la complexit&eacute; &agrave;
laquelle nous nous heurtons.</p>
<p>C'est &eacute;galement au "Balcon du Visionnaire" qu'a eu lieu
l'accident de 1975, qui a arret&eacute; l'exploration cette
ann&eacute;e l&agrave;.</p>
<p>En reprenant la galerie horizontale et apr&egrave;s avoir
pass&eacute; une petite mont&eacute;e encombr&eacute;e de blocs, on
rencontre une arriv&eacute;e d'eau, baptis&eacute;e "Le Bain".
Celle-ci a &eacute;t&eacute; suivie sur une petite longeur, avec
arret sur puits. A terminer.</p>
<p>L'embranchement suivant a &eacute;t&eacute; nomm&eacute;
"Carrefour du Mammouth" car la galerie de droite donne sur le puits
du m&ecirc;me nom. Il faut d'ailleur faire tr&egrave;s attention de
ne pas glisser car se serait alors la chute dans celui-ci.</p>
<p>Les Puits Mammouth, Parapuits et probablement le Puits Negus,
font partie d'un m&ecirc;me r&eacute;seau ( voir topo ) qui se
compose d'un p146, d'un p10 et d'un m&eacute;andre &eacute;troit
entrecoup&eacute; de nombreuses cascades, finalement un p35 donne
sur un siphon &agrave; -612m. Le "Parapuits" p106 est suivi de: p5,
p10, p50 et tombe par celui-ci dans le "M&eacute;andre du
Mammouth".</p>
<p>Le "Puits du N&eacute;gus", non descendu, devrait donner
&eacute;galement dans le m&ecirc;me m&eacute;andre. Plusieurs
autres petits puits et m&eacute;andres actifs devraient
&eacute;galement rejoindre ce r&eacute;seau.</p>
<p>La cote -612m est sujette &agrave; caution car la m&eacute;thode
topo employ&eacute;e ( hauteur d'homme ) est assez
impr&eacute;cise. La cote pourrait se situer entre -580 et -630m.
Le manque de temps ne nous a pas permis de refaire ces topos.
Peut-&ecirc;tre cette ann&eacute;e ????</p>
<p>En prenant &agrave; gauche, la "Galerie Zipfer" se parcourt sur
150m avant de rencontrer un embranchement important: &agrave;
gauche la "Galerie des Chemin&eacute;es", &agrave; droite la
galerie du "Courant d'air".</p>
<h4>Galerie des Chemin&eacute;es</h4>
<p>Tr&egrave;s vaste et d'une pente r&eacute;guli&egrave;re, qui est
entrecoup&eacute;e au milieu par une &eacute;troiture et deux petit
r&eacute;sseaux. On &eacute;vite par une travers&eacute;e le "Puits Schnaps"
p40 avec m&eacute;andre &eacute;troit non explor&eacute; et on arrive sur un
p25 dans lequel il faut penduler &agrave; 5m du fond pour rejoindre une salle
dans laquelle nous retrouvons une petite rivi&egrave;re. Un peu en remontant
en face trouver une courte galerie sup&eacute;rieure rejoignant la
rivi&egrave;re par un p20. Dans la salle, la descente d'un p10, permet de
suivre la rivi&egrave;re jusqu'&agrave; une &eacute;troiture derri&egrave;re
laquelle on entend gronder une grosse rivi&egrave;re ? Zone &agrave; revoir.
<p>Tr&egrave;s vaste et d'une pente r&eacute;guli&egrave;re, qui
est entrecoup&eacute;e au milieu par une &eacute;troiture et deux
petit r&eacute;sseaux. On &eacute;vite par une travers&eacute;e le
"Puits Schnaps" p40 avec m&eacute;andre &eacute;troit non
explor&eacute; et on arrive sur un p25 dans lequel il faut penduler
&agrave; 5m du fond pour rejoindre une salle dans laquelle nous
retrouvons une petite rivi&egrave;re. Un peu en remontant en face
trouver une courte galerie sup&eacute;rieure rejoignant la
rivi&egrave;re par un p20. Dans la salle, la descente d'un p10,
permet de suivre la rivi&egrave;re jusqu'&agrave; une
&eacute;troiture derri&egrave;re laquelle on entend gronder une
grosse rivi&egrave;re ? Zone &agrave; revoir.</p>
<h4>Galerie du Courant d'Air</h4>
<p>Fossile et &eacute;troite par endroit, a permis d'explorer un
r&eacute;seau tr&egrave;s complexe et se recoupant en divers endroit et qui
pourrait r&eacute;server de tr&egrave;s grosses surprises, car son
exploration n'en est qu'&eacute;bauch&eacute;e. On d&eacute;bouche par la
galerie de courant d'air sur une zone d'&eacute;boulis ou deux
possibilit&eacute;s existent;
r&eacute;seau tr&egrave;s complexe et se recoupant en divers
endroit et qui pourrait r&eacute;server de tr&egrave;s grosses
surprises, car son exploration n'en est qu'&eacute;bauch&eacute;e.
On d&eacute;bouche par la galerie de courant d'air sur une zone
d'&eacute;boulis ou deux possibilit&eacute;s existent;</p>
<p><b>&agrave; gauche</b>: un passage &eacute;troit et une conduite
forc&eacute;e en pente am&egrave;ne au Puits du Kit, magnifique p50 bien
large et plein vide. A sa base plusieurs possibilit&eacute;s. Un
m&eacute;andre &eacute;troit et actif que l'on peut court-circuiter par une
galerie fossile, coup&eacute; par un ressaut terreux de 3m puis un vaste p15
m&egrave;ne au siphon &agrave; -360m.
<p>Un ressaut de quelques m&egrave;tres permet l'acc&egrave;s &agrave; une
vaste galerie fossile ( 10 x 5 ). Le sol de celle-ci est sillonn&eacute; d'un
profond m&eacute;andre qui n'a pas &eacute;t&eacute; explor&eacute;. Au bout
d'une centaine de m&egrave;tre la galerie s'ach&egrave;ve sur un vaste puits
arros&eacute;. L'escalade d'un gros &eacute;boulis sur la droite permet
d'acceder &agrave; un autre puits remontant.
<p>Peu apr&egrave;s la base du "Puits du kit" une galerie de 80m permet
defaire la jonction avec la r&eacute;seau du "Puits du d&eacute;collement"
&agrave; la base du p40. Un m&eacute;andre partant de la galerie de la
jonction peut-&ecirc;tre parcouru sur plus de 300m et d&eacute;bouche, en
plusieurs endroits, dans le flanc de la grande galerie fossile, peu avant les
puits remontants.
<p><b>&agrave; droite</b>: Le puits du "D&eacute;collement" avec &agrave; sa
base une salle en pente encombr&eacute;e d'&eacute;boulis. A gauche un
m&eacute;andre remontant tr&egrave;s profond non explor&eacute;. Dans le fond
s'ouvre le "M&eacute;andre Emeri" ainsi appel&eacute; parce que les
concr&eacute;tions sont orient&eacute;es dans le sens de la marche et du
vent. Celui-ci rejoint un large puits avec une arriv&eacute;e d'eau.
Apr&egrave;s ce p15, un court m&eacute;andre et un p40
l&eacute;g&egrave;rement arros&eacute;. A sa base, la vaste galerie
descendante devient soudain presque verticale. C'est le "Tobogan" necessitant
20m de corde (Passage tr&egrave;s spectaculaire). On recoupe &agrave; ce
forc&eacute;e en pente am&egrave;ne au Puits du Kit, magnifique p50
bien large et plein vide. A sa base plusieurs possibilit&eacute;s.
Un m&eacute;andre &eacute;troit et actif que l'on peut
court-circuiter par une galerie fossile, coup&eacute; par un
ressaut terreux de 3m puis un vaste p15 m&egrave;ne au siphon
&agrave; -360m.</p>
<p>Un ressaut de quelques m&egrave;tres permet l'acc&egrave;s
&agrave; une vaste galerie fossile ( 10 x 5 ). Le sol de celle-ci
est sillonn&eacute; d'un profond m&eacute;andre qui n'a pas
&eacute;t&eacute; explor&eacute;. Au bout d'une centaine de
m&egrave;tre la galerie s'ach&egrave;ve sur un vaste puits
arros&eacute;. L'escalade d'un gros &eacute;boulis sur la droite
permet d'acceder &agrave; un autre puits remontant.</p>
<p>Peu apr&egrave;s la base du "Puits du kit" une galerie de 80m
permet defaire la jonction avec la r&eacute;seau du "Puits du
d&eacute;collement" &agrave; la base du p40. Un m&eacute;andre
partant de la galerie de la jonction peut-&ecirc;tre parcouru sur
plus de 300m et d&eacute;bouche, en plusieurs endroits, dans le
flanc de la grande galerie fossile, peu avant les puits
remontants.</p>
<p><b>&agrave; droite</b>: Le puits du "D&eacute;collement" avec
&agrave; sa base une salle en pente encombr&eacute;e
d'&eacute;boulis. A gauche un m&eacute;andre remontant tr&egrave;s
profond non explor&eacute;. Dans le fond s'ouvre le "M&eacute;andre
Emeri" ainsi appel&eacute; parce que les concr&eacute;tions sont
orient&eacute;es dans le sens de la marche et du vent. Celui-ci
rejoint un large puits avec une arriv&eacute;e d'eau. Apr&egrave;s
ce p15, un court m&eacute;andre et un p40 l&eacute;g&egrave;rement
arros&eacute;. A sa base, la vaste galerie descendante devient
soudain presque verticale. C'est le "Tobogan" necessitant 20m de
corde (Passage tr&egrave;s spectaculaire). On recoupe &agrave; ce
niveau un nouveau ruisseau. La galerie se poursuit, puis se
r&eacute;tr&eacute;sit et queute &agrave; -385m
<p><b>Conclusion</b>: &eacute;norm&eacute;ment &agrave; voir et &agrave;
revoir completement. Plus nous avan&ccedil;ons et plus nous trouvons ! Un
apport de sp&eacute;l&eacute;o nous permettrait de faire du travail
extraordinaire.
<p align=right>J.C.Hans
<h2><a id="id122">GOUFFRE OVNI</a> = <span lang="de">UFO SCHACHT</span></h2>
<p>Situation: <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> Ouest - <span
lang="de">Hintergras</span><br>
Profondeur: -201m<br>
Altitude: environ 1500m
<p><b>Historique</b>: D&eacute;couvert en Ao&ucirc;t 1974 par D.Motte.
Entr&eacute;e d&eacute;sobstru&eacute;e par le <acronym>GSAB</acronym> en
1975 et 76. Explor&eacute; au mois d'Ao&ucirc;t 76 par F.Dechany et J.C.Hans.
<p><b>Description</b>: L'entr&eacute;e se constituait d'une fente d'environ
20cm de hauteur, qui a d'abord &eacute;t&eacute; d&eacute;gag&eacute;e
jusqu'&agrave; une salle close de toute part. Le courant d'air qui avait
permis de trouver l'entr&eacute;e, nous indiquait le chemin &agrave; suivre.
Apr&egrave;s avoir d&eacute;bouch&eacute; une fissure, appel&eacute;e "Sas"
nous arrivons sur un puits. Celui-ci est fractionn&eacute; en 5 endroits. Un
deuxi&egrave;me puits fractionn&eacute; en trois m&egrave;ne &agrave; un
court m&eacute;andre puis &agrave; plusieurs ressauts et puits
entrecoup&eacute; de courtes &eacute;troitures. On peut consid&eacute;rer
les puits suivants comme formant un seul de 80m, divis&eacute; en cinq et
devient de plus en plus grand aussi bien en profondeur qu'en largeur. Le
gouffre continue par une faille de deux &agrave; trois m&egrave;tres de large
et s'enfon&ccedil;ant par crans successifs. L'exploration continuera en
Ao&ucirc;t 1977
<p align=right>J.C.Hans
r&eacute;tr&eacute;sit et queute &agrave; -385m</p>
<p><b>Conclusion</b>: &eacute;norm&eacute;ment &agrave; voir et
&agrave; revoir completement. Plus nous avan&ccedil;ons et plus
nous trouvons ! Un apport de sp&eacute;l&eacute;o nous permettrait
de faire du travail extraordinaire.</p>
<p style="text-align: right">J.C.Hans</p>
<h2><a id="id122" name="id122">GOUFFRE OVNI</a> = <span lang="de"
xml:lang="de">UFO SCHACHT</span></h2>
<p>Situation: <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span>
Ouest - <span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Hintergras</span><br />
Profondeur: -201m<br />
Altitude: environ 1500m</p>
<p><b>Historique</b>: D&eacute;couvert en Ao&ucirc;t 1974 par
D.Motte. Entr&eacute;e d&eacute;sobstru&eacute;e par le
<acronym>GSAB</acronym> en 1975 et 76. Explor&eacute; au mois
d'Ao&ucirc;t 76 par F.Dechany et J.C.Hans.</p>
<p><b>Description</b>: L'entr&eacute;e se constituait d'une fente
d'environ 20cm de hauteur, qui a d'abord &eacute;t&eacute;
d&eacute;gag&eacute;e jusqu'&agrave; une salle close de toute part.
Le courant d'air qui avait permis de trouver l'entr&eacute;e, nous
indiquait le chemin &agrave; suivre. Apr&egrave;s avoir
d&eacute;bouch&eacute; une fissure, appel&eacute;e "Sas" nous
arrivons sur un puits. Celui-ci est fractionn&eacute; en 5
endroits. Un deuxi&egrave;me puits fractionn&eacute; en trois
m&egrave;ne &agrave; un court m&eacute;andre puis &agrave;
plusieurs ressauts et puits entrecoup&eacute; de courtes
&eacute;troitures. On peut consid&eacute;rer les puits suivants
comme formant un seul de 80m, divis&eacute; en cinq et devient de
plus en plus grand aussi bien en profondeur qu'en largeur. Le
gouffre continue par une faille de deux &agrave; trois
m&egrave;tres de large et s'enfon&ccedil;ant par crans successifs.
L'exploration continuera en Ao&ucirc;t 1977</p>
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<center><font size=-1>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>)
Sp&eacute;alp 3 (Oct. 1978) pp 44-45</font>
<h1><span lang="de">AHNENSCHACHT</span> 77-78</h1></center>
<p><b>Situation</b> : Totes Gebirge West - Feuertal<br>
<b>Profondeur</b> : -607m<br>
<b>Altitude</b> : 1890m; Frigoschacht 1875m<br>
<b>Historique</b> : voir <a href="782012.htm">Spéalp no. 1</a>
<p>Expédition GSAB organisée en 1977 du 5 au 29 Août.
<p>Elle a regroupé plusieurs individuels venant de différents clubs, et
parallèlement à l'exploration du Gouffre Ovni (-565m), l'expédition du GSAB a
pu approfondir le Gouffre Ahnenschacht et résoudres quelques inconnues.
<p style="text-align: center; font-size: 65%">
(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 3
(Oct. 1978) pp 44-45</p>
<h1><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">AHNENSCHACHT</span> 77-78</h1>
<p><b>Situation</b> : Totes Gebirge West - Feuertal<br />
<b>Profondeur</b> : -607m<br />
<b>Altitude</b> : 1890m; Frigoschacht 1875m<br />
<b>Historique</b> : voir <a href="782012.htm">Sp&eacute;alp no.
1</a></p>
<p>Exp&eacute;dition GSAB organis&eacute;e en 1977 du 5 au 29
Ao&ucirc;t.</p>
<p>Elle a regroup&eacute; plusieurs individuels venant de
diff&eacute;rents clubs, et parall&egrave;lement &agrave;
l'exploration du Gouffre Ovni (-565m), l'exp&eacute;dition du GSAB
a pu approfondir le Gouffre Ahnenschacht et r&eacute;soudres
quelques inconnues.</p>
<ul>
<li>Jonction Frigoschacht (alt 1875m) à -130m par
P17, P5, P9, P9, P5 et P18, P11 de l'Ahnenschacht.
<li>Topgraphie du réseau potager fleuri.
<li>Exploration du réseau Yodl (-607m).
<li>Exploration dans le réseau KGB.
<li>Jonction Frigoschacht (alt 1875m) &agrave; -130m par P17, P5,
P9, P9, P5 et P18, P11 de l'Ahnenschacht.</li>
<li>Topgraphie du r&eacute;seau potager fleuri.</li>
<li>Exploration du r&eacute;seau Yodl (-607m).</li>
<li>Exploration dans le r&eacute;seau KGB.</li>
</ul>
<h3>Réseau Yodl</h3>
<p>De la porte, après les 70m du puits Josef, on descend un ressaut de 7m
escalade sur un gros bloc et descente du 12m environ dans le bas d'un
méandre. Le progression se fait dans ce méandre, ensuite courte escalade dans
une faille sur la gauche et un puits de 120m, par tronçons de 22m et 100m.
Ensuite, un méandre étroit, P20 jusqu'à un siphon à -607m (la dernière partie
du P100 est arrosé).
<h3>R&eacute;seau Yodl</h3>
<p>De la porte, apr&egrave;s les 70m du puits Josef, on descend un
ressaut de 7m escalade sur un gros bloc et descente du 12m environ
dans le bas d'un m&eacute;andre. Le progression se fait dans ce
m&eacute;andre, ensuite courte escalade dans une faille sur la
gauche et un puits de 120m, par tron&ccedil;ons de 22m et 100m.
Ensuite, un m&eacute;andre &eacute;troit, P20 jusqu'&agrave; un
siphon &agrave; -607m (la derni&egrave;re partie du P100 est
arros&eacute;).</p>
<h4>Participants :</h4>
<dl>
<dt><acronym>GSAB</acronym> :<dd>F Dechany, E Degrave, D Ferri&egrave;re, J C Hans
<dt><acronym>GSAB-CASEO</acronym> :<dd>G Feller, J Kirsch
<dt><acronym>SSSPA</acronym> :<dd>Pierre Dethier
<dt><acronym>GSREDAN</acronym> :<dd>J P Braun
<dt><acronym>ES GEODE</acronym> :<dd>F Saussus
<dt><acronym>SC</acronym> Calcaires :<dd>J M Piron
<dt><span lang="en">no club affiliations</span> :<dd>T Disneur, H Weber
<dt><acronym>GSAB</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>F Dechany, E Degrave, D Ferri&egrave;re, J C Hans</dd>
<dt><acronym>GSAB-CASEO</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>G Feller, J Kirsch</dd>
<dt><acronym>SSSPA</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>Pierre Dethier</dd>
<dt><acronym>GSREDAN</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>J P Braun</dd>
<dt><acronym>ES GEODE</acronym> :</dt>
<dd>F Saussus</dd>
<dt><acronym>SC</acronym> Calcaires :</dt>
<dd>J M Piron</dd>
<dt><span lang="en" xml:lang="en">no club affiliations</span>
:</dt>
<dd>T Disneur, H Weber</dd>
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<h3>Mini Expedition du 25 Juin au 5 Juillet (Inter individuels)</h3>
<p>La possibilité d'une jonction avec l'Empagédure avait amène les spéléos
Belges à organiser une mini-expé inter-individuels.
<p>La jonction ne fut pas réalisée, une couche de Dolomie semble éliminer tout
espoir. Cette expé a permis à quelques spéléos Belges de découvrir une cavité
Autrichienne.
<p>Le Bilan : -500m de première, plusieurs réseaux terminés et de nouvelles
hypothèses de suite de gouffre.
<p>-150m dans le réseau amont du Josef : arrêt sur tremis et fissure (méandre
étroit et haut).
<p>Différente réseaux revus: Enigmatique, KGB, Gruyère et Schnaps.
<p>Visite et exploration du réseau Belgica.
<p>Après le Bivouac : un P10, on prend à gauche une galerie de petite dimension,
on laisse 3 puits sur le coté et on descend un P8, P13 arrivée sur des
étroitures faciles à gauche. Ensuite R5 et P42. Arrêt sur boyau de sable à
-410m.
<p>Par dessus le P13 : une petite galerie permet par quelques ressauts dans un
réseau fossile: P25 et deux puits de 10m; très étroit et plusieurs cheminées.
<h3>Mini Expedition du 25 Juin au 5 Juillet (Inter
individuels)</h3>
<p>La possibilit&eacute; d'une jonction avec l'Empag&eacute;dure
avait am&egrave;ne les sp&eacute;l&eacute;os Belges &agrave;
organiser une mini-exp&eacute; inter-individuels.</p>
<p>La jonction ne fut pas r&eacute;alis&eacute;e, une couche de
Dolomie semble &eacute;liminer tout espoir. Cette exp&eacute; a
permis &agrave; quelques sp&eacute;l&eacute;os Belges de
d&eacute;couvrir une cavit&eacute; Autrichienne.</p>
<p>Le Bilan : -500m de premi&egrave;re, plusieurs r&eacute;seaux
termin&eacute;s et de nouvelles hypoth&egrave;ses de suite de
gouffre.</p>
<p>-150m dans le r&eacute;seau amont du Josef : arr&ecirc;t sur
tremis et fissure (m&eacute;andre &eacute;troit et haut).</p>
<p>Diff&eacute;rente r&eacute;seaux revus: Enigmatique, KGB,
Gruy&egrave;re et Schnaps.</p>
<p>Visite et exploration du r&eacute;seau Belgica.</p>
<p>Apr&egrave;s le Bivouac : un P10, on prend &agrave; gauche une
galerie de petite dimension, on laisse 3 puits sur le cot&eacute;
et on descend un P8, P13 arriv&eacute;e sur des &eacute;troitures
faciles &agrave; gauche. Ensuite R5 et P42. Arr&ecirc;t sur boyau
de sable &agrave; -410m.</p>
<p>Par dessus le P13 : une petite galerie permet par quelques
ressauts dans un r&eacute;seau fossile: P25 et deux puits de 10m;
tr&egrave;s &eacute;troit et plusieurs chemin&eacute;es.</p>
<h4>Participants :</h4>
<dl>
<dt><acronym>GSAB</acronym>:<dd>J P Braun, F Dechany, E Degrave
(organisateur), J C Hans
<dt><acronym>GIPS</acronym>:<dd>F Spinoy
<dt><acronym>SCUCL</acronym>:<dd>Y Dubois
<dt><acronym>GSAB</acronym>:</dt>
<dd>J P Braun, F Dechany, E Degrave (organisateur), J C Hans</dd>
<dt><acronym>GIPS</acronym>:</dt>
<dd>F Spinoy</dd>
<dt><acronym>SCUCL</acronym>:</dt>
<dd>Y Dubois</dd>
</dl>
<p>Notons la visite de six membres du CARSS, qui avaient oubliés leur trousse à
spits dans la vallée.
<p>Jean Pierre Braun
<p>Notons la visite de six membres du CARSS, qui avaient
oubli&eacute;s leur trousse &agrave; spits dans la
vall&eacute;e.</p>
<p>Jean Pierre Braun</p>
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<h1 lang="fr">Groupe Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Alpin Belge</h1>
<p>The <acronym lang="fr">GSAB</acronym> was (I believe, and if anyone knows
different then I'd love to hear from them) an umbrella organisation for club
cavers in Belgium visiting deep and serious caving areas in the 1970's. It
would appear to have evolved from a group <span lang="fr">"Les Gours"</span>,
part of the <span lang="fr">Club d'Archaeologie, de Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologie
et d'Escalade de Huy-Andenne (<acronym>CASE-HA</acronym>)</span>, though this
is conjecture based on the fact that the journal of
<span lang="fr">Les Gours</span> had the same name,
"<span lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</span>", as the later journal of
<acronym lang="fr">GSAB</acronym>, and from an odd reference to
'<span lang="fr"><acronym>GSAB</acronym> "Les Gours"</span>' in a later
journal.
<h1 lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Groupe Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Alpin Belge</h1>
<p>Members of these groups, and associated club cavers, visited the north of
the western massif of the <span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> every summer
(sometimes apparently on more than one trip) from 1972 to 1978. At least one
of these trips was an international expedition, and others seem also to have
worked with various French groups. Much of the work was apparently reported
in various club journals, but there are also a series of good reports in both
of the journals <span lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</span>. These are now quite
hard to obtain (since the group no longer exists), but we found that the
librarian of the <span lang="fr">F&eacute;deration Belgique de
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologie</span> was one of the world's most helpful people,
and he photocopied the relevant articles from the later <acronym
lang="fr">GSAB</acronym> publications for us for free, for which go many
thanks.
<p>The <acronym lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">GSAB</acronym> was (I
believe, and if anyone knows different then I'd love to hear from
them) an umbrella organisation for club cavers in Belgium visiting
deep and serious caving areas in the 1970's. It would appear to
have evolved from a group <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">"Les
Gours"</span>, part of the <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Club
d'Archaeologie, de Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologie et d'Escalade de
Huy-Andenne (<acronym>CASE-HA</acronym>)</span>, though this is
conjecture based on the fact that the journal of <span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">Les Gours</span> had the same name, "<span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr">Sp&eacute;alp</span>", as the later journal of
<acronym lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">GSAB</acronym>, and from an odd
reference to '<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr"><acronym>GSAB</acronym>
"Les Gours"</span>' in a later journal.</p>
<p>Included in these pages are English translations (by Andy Waddington and
Jill Gates) of articles from <span lang="fr"><acronym>GSAB</acronym>
Sp&eacute;alp</span> 1, 2 and 3. If you can read French, I reccommend getting
hold of copies of the original journals, as the diagrams are quite helpful to
understanding some of the explanations !
<p>Members of these groups, and associated club cavers, visited the
north of the western massif of the <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Totes Gebirge</span> every summer (sometimes apparently on
more than one trip) from 1972 to 1978. At least one of these trips
was an international expedition, and others seem also to have
worked with various French groups. Much of the work was apparently
reported in various club journals, but there are also a series of
good reports in both of the journals <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">Sp&eacute;alp</span>. These are now quite hard to obtain
(since the group no longer exists), but we found that the librarian
of the <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">F&eacute;deration Belgique de
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologie</span> was one of the world's most
helpful people, and he photocopied the relevant articles from the
later <acronym lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">GSAB</acronym> publications
for us for free, for which go many thanks.</p>
<dl lang="fr">
<dt>73.2295<dd>
<cite>(<acronym>CASE HA</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 2 (1972) pp 3-21, <span
lang="en">surveys</span></cite>, <b>Exp&eacute;dition
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologique &agrave; Autriche (Gouffre des Aieux)</b>, Jean
Claude Hans et Pierre Gobbels
<dt>74.1210<dd>
<cite>(<acronym>CASE HA</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 4 (1973) pp 1-25, <span
lang="en">surveys</span></cite>, <b>Exp&eacute;dition 1973 &agrave; l'<span
lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span> (-612m)</b>, Etienne Degrave et al
<dt>78.2012<dd>
<cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 1 (Juin 1977) pp 33-49</cite>,
<b><span lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span> : Description des principaux gouffres
de la zone ouest du massif</b>, Jean Claude Hans &amp; Etienne Degrave<br>
<a href="fr/782012.htm" lang="fr">en Fran&ccedil;ais</a> /
<a href="en/782012.htm" lang="en"><span lang="en">English Translation</span></a>
<dt>78.2008<dd>
<cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 2 (1978) pp 14-19, <span
lang="en">figures, surveys</span></cite>, <b>Gouffre Ovni</b>, Georges
Feller<br>
<a href="fr/782008.htm" lang="fr">en Fran&ccedil;ais</a> /
<a href="en/782008.htm" lang="en"><span lang="en">English Translation</span></a>
<dt>78.2003<dd>
<cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 2 (1978) p64, <span
lang="en">survey</span></cite>, <b lang="de">Trunkemboldschacht</b>, Jean Pierre
Braun<br>
<a href="782003.htm" lang="fr">en Fran&ccedil;ais</a> / (the English
translation is essentially identical to the kataster
<a href="../../noinfo/1626/117.htm">cave description</a>)
<dt>78.2013<dd>
<cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 2 (1978) pp 66-67, <span
lang="en">survey</span></cite>, <b lang="de">Feuertalsystem</b>, Jean Claude
Hans<br><a href="782013.htm" lang="fr">en Fran&ccedil;ais</a> / (the English
translation is essentially identical to the kataster
<a href="../../noinfo/1626/120.htm">cave description</a>)
<dt>79.1855<dd>
<cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 3 (Oct. 1978) pp 44-45, <span
lang="en">survey</span></cite>, <b><span lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span> 77/78</b>,
Jean Pierre Braun<br>
<a href="fr/791855.htm" lang="fr">en Fran&ccedil;ais</a> /
<a href="en/791855.htm" lang="en"><span lang="en">English Translation</span></a>
<p>Included in these pages are English translations (by Andy
Waddington and Jill Gates) of articles from <span lang="fr"
xml:lang="fr"><acronym>GSAB</acronym> Sp&eacute;alp</span> 1, 2 and
3. If you can read French, I reccommend getting hold of copies of
the original journals, as the diagrams are quite helpful to
understanding some of the explanations!</p>
<dl lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">
<dt>73.2295</dt>
<dd><cite>(<acronym>CASE HA</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 2 (1972) pp
3-21, <span lang="en" xml:lang="en">surveys</span></cite>,
<b>Exp&eacute;dition Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologique &agrave; Autriche
(Gouffre des Aieux)</b>, Jean Claude Hans et Pierre Gobbels</dd>
<dt>74.1210</dt>
<dd><cite>(<acronym>CASE HA</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 4 (1973) pp
1-25, <span lang="en" xml:lang="en">surveys</span></cite>,
<b>Exp&eacute;dition 1973 &agrave; l'<span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</span> (-612m)</b>, Etienne Degrave et al</dd>
<dt>78.2012</dt>
<dd><cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 1 (Juin 1977) pp
33-49</cite>, <b><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Totes Gebirge</span>
: Description des principaux gouffres de la zone ouest du
massif</b>, Jean Claude Hans &amp; Etienne Degrave<br />
<a href="fr/782012.htm" lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">en
Fran&ccedil;ais</a> / <a href="en/782012.htm" lang="en" xml:lang=
"en"><span lang="en" xml:lang="en">English
Translation</span></a></dd>
<dt>78.2008</dt>
<dd><cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 2 (1978) pp
14-19, <span lang="en" xml:lang="en">figures,
surveys</span></cite>, <b>Gouffre Ovni</b>, Georges Feller<br />
<a href="fr/782008.htm" lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">en
Fran&ccedil;ais</a> / <a href="en/782008.htm" lang="en" xml:lang=
"en"><span lang="en" xml:lang="en">English
Translation</span></a></dd>
<dt>78.2003</dt>
<dd><cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 2 (1978) p64,
<span lang="en" xml:lang="en">survey</span></cite>, <b lang="de"
xml:lang="de">Trunkemboldschacht</b>, Jean Pierre Braun<br />
<a href="782003.htm" lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">en Fran&ccedil;ais</a>
/ (the English translation is essentially identical to the kataster
<a href="../../noinfo/1626/117.htm">cave description</a>)</dd>
<dt>78.2013</dt>
<dd><cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 2 (1978) pp
66-67, <span lang="en" xml:lang="en">survey</span></cite>, <b lang=
"de" xml:lang="de">Feuertalsystem</b>, Jean Claude Hans<br />
<a href="782013.htm" lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">en Fran&ccedil;ais</a>
/ (the English translation is essentially identical to the kataster
<a href="../../noinfo/1626/120.htm">cave description</a>)</dd>
<dt>79.1855</dt>
<dd><cite>(<acronym>GSAB</acronym>) Sp&eacute;alp 3 (Oct. 1978) pp
44-45, <span lang="en" xml:lang="en">survey</span></cite>,
<b><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Ahnenschacht</span> 77/78</b>,
Jean Pierre Braun<br />
<a href="fr/791855.htm" lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">en
Fran&ccedil;ais</a> / <a href="en/791855.htm" lang="en" xml:lang=
"en"><span lang="en" xml:lang="en">English
Translation</span></a></dd>
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<center><h2 lang="fr">Groupe Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologique de Clerval -
Baume les Dames</h2></center>
<p>From the earliest days of CUCC's involvement in Austria, we heard reports
of deep caves being explored by French Group(s). We were aware that several
caves explored by the Belgian <a href="../gsab/index.htm" lang="fr">Groupe
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Alpin Belge</a> had been found by French, including
<span lang="fr">Denis Motte</span>, whose name seemed to crop up in various
places.
<p>This group worked in the 1626 area (<b lang="de">Feuertal</b>) in 1974
(<b lang="de">Ahnenschacht</b> with <span lang="fr">GS Doubs &amp; SC
Vesoul</span>), and later (1975,77) worked in the <b lang="de">Tauplitz</b>
area to our east with finds including the impressive
<b lang="de">Nordwandschacht</b>, containing a huge chamber (320x80x60m).
<p>During the eighties, they visited the
<b lang="de">Elmh&ouml;hlensystem</b> (touristed by CUCC in
<a href="../../years/1976/report.htm#elmh">1976</a> and
<a href="../../years/1977/report.htm#elmh">1977</a>). The results of this
work are described in <b lang="fr">Spelunca</b> number 26 (April/June
1987) pp 10-11 (CTS 88.1407).
<p>Towards the end of this period, the group also had some members exploring
on the <b lang="de">Vorderer Schwarzmooskogel</b>, who found
<b lang="de">Larchenschacht</b>
(<a href="../../noinfo/smkridge/88.htm">1623/88</a>).
The whole expedition worked in this area (from 1987?). Various important
connections were made, of which we have very little information to date. We
do know that they also explored various entrances further north towards
<b lang="de">Hinterer Schwarzmooskogel</b>, including one of the entrances to
<b lang="de">Kaninchenh&ouml;hle</b>
(<a href="../../smkridge/161/top.htm">1623/161</a>), into the area CUCC now
knows as "France". However, they abandoned this particular cave on the
assumption that it would connect into CUCC's caves. From 1991, the group
returned to the <span lang="de">Elmh&ouml;hlensystem</span>.
<p>The group publish a journal "<b lang="fr">Beaunes et Empoues</b>"
(issue number 10 was published in 1993), from which the above summary is
derived.
<p>Contact was finally made with <span lang="fr">Denis Motte</span> at the
International Speleological Congress in the Swiss Jura in 1997, so CUCC are
looking forward to an era of cooperation in connecting the
<b lang="de">Kaninchenh&ouml;hle</b>
(<a href="../../smkridge/161/top.htm">1623/161</a>)
area caves through GSCB's finds to the
<b lang="de">Stellerwegh&ouml;hlensystem</b>
(<a href="../../smkridge/41.htm">1623/41</a>).
<h1 lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Groupe Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologique de
Clerval - Baume les Dames</h1>
<p>From the earliest days of CUCC's involvement in Austria, we
heard reports of deep caves being explored by French Group(s). We
were aware that several caves explored by the Belgian <a href=
"../gsab/index.htm" lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Groupe
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Alpin Belge</a> had been found by French,
including <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Denis Motte</span>, whose
name seemed to crop up in various places.</p>
<p>This group worked in the 1626 area (<b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Feuertal</b>) in 1974 (<b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Ahnenschacht</b> with <span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">GS Doubs
&amp; SC Vesoul</span>), and later (1975,77) worked in the <b lang=
"de" xml:lang="de">Tauplitz</b> area to our east with finds
including the impressive <b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Nordwandschacht</b>, containing a huge chamber
(320x80x60m).</p>
<p>During the eighties, they visited the <b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Elmh&ouml;hlensystem</b> (touristed by CUCC in <a href=
"../../years/1976/report.htm#elmh">1976</a> and <a href=
"../../years/1977/report.htm#elmh">1977</a>). The results of this
work are described in <b lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Spelunca</b>
number 26 (April/June 1987) pp 10-11 (CTS 88.1407).</p>
<p>Towards the end of this period, the group also had some members
exploring on the <b lang="de" xml:lang="de">Vorderer
Schwarzmooskogel</b>, who found <b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Larchenschacht</b> (<a href=
"../../noinfo/smkridge/88.htm">1623/88</a>). The whole expedition
worked in this area (from 1987?). Various important connections
were made, of which we have very little information to date. We do
know that they also explored various entrances further north
towards <b lang="de" xml:lang="de">Hinterer Schwarzmooskogel</b>,
including one of the entrances to <b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Kaninchenh&ouml;hle</b> (<a href=
"../../smkridge/161/top.htm">1623/161</a>), into the area CUCC now
knows as "France". However, they abandoned this particular cave on
the assumption that it would connect into CUCC's caves. From 1991,
the group returned to the <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Elmh&ouml;hlensystem</span>.</p>
<p>The group publish a journal "<b lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Beaunes
et Empoues</b>" (issue number 10 was published in 1993), from which
the above summary is derived.</p>
<p>Contact was finally made with <span lang="fr" xml:lang=
"fr">Denis Motte</span> at the International Speleological Congress
in the Swiss Jura in 1997, so CUCC are looking forward to an era of
cooperation in connecting the <b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Kaninchenh&ouml;hle</b> (<a href=
"../../smkridge/161/top.htm">1623/161</a>) area caves through
GSCB's finds to the <b lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Stellerwegh&ouml;hlensystem</b> (<a href=
"../../smkridge/41.htm">1623/41</a>).</p>
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<h2>Groups known to have worked in <span lang="de-at">Totes Gebirge</span> caves</h2>
<h1>Groups known to have worked in <span lang="de-at" xml:lang=
"de-at">Totes Gebirge</span> caves</h1>
<p>As well as local cavers (who were very few in number in the early years),
many cavers from outside Austria have worked in the <span lang="de-at">Totes
Gebirge</span>. Those who have been to the western massif (1623 and 1626) are
listed here. Following the links will lead to a description of the group and
a list of all the publications about the area (with their reference number
from Current Titles in Speleology). This is under research, and is very far
from complete. However, some articles are here in the archive, in the
original language, and a very few are here in english translation. Where
these exist, you can follow links to them.
<p>As well as local cavers (who were very few in number in the
early years), many cavers from outside Austria have worked in the
<span lang="de-at" xml:lang="de-at">Totes Gebirge</span>. Those
who have been to the western massif (1623 and 1626) are listed
here. Following the links will lead to a description of the group
and a list of all the publications about the area (with their
reference number from Current Titles in Speleology). This is
under research, and is very far from complete. However, some
articles are here in the archive, in the original language, and a
very few are here in english translation. Where these exist, you
can follow links to them.</p>
<p>A few groups are still active and have their own web pages - you can
follow links to these from here, or there is a page specifically for
<a href="../links.htm">links to web sites</a> which includes other relevant
organisations too.
<p>A few groups are still active and have their own web pages -
you can follow links to these from here, or there is a page
specifically for <a href="../links.htm">links to web sites</a>
which includes other relevant organisations too.</p>
<h4>Local Austrian Groups</h4>
<h4>Local Austrian Groups</h4>
<ul>
<li><span lang="de-at">H&ouml;hlenforschervereinigung Altaussee</span>
(up to 1949 ?)
<ul>
<li><span lang="de-at" xml:lang=
"de-at">H&ouml;hlenforschervereinigung Altaussee</span> (up to
1949?)</li>
<li><span lang="de-at">Sektion Ausseerland (des Landesvereines f&uuml;r
H&ouml;hlenkunde in Steiermark)</span> (up to early 80's ?)
<li><span lang="de-at" xml:lang="de-at">Sektion Ausseerland
(des Landesvereines f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in
Steiermark)</span> (up to early 80's?)</li>
<li><span lang="de-at">Vereines f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in OberSteier
(VfHO)</span><br>
This is the group who are responsible for the kataster in our area, and
which several CUCC members have also joined. There are two articles
about diving in Li&auml;gerh&ouml;hle (1623/1) in
<a href="obsteier/dive1.htm" lang="de-at">1985</a> and
<a href="obsteier/dive2.htm" lang="de-at">1988</a>, on the site. Also from
their journal is the German translation of CUCC's
<a href="../years/1996/bcra-d.htm" lang="de">1996 report</a>.
<li><span lang="de-at" xml:lang="de-at">Vereines f&uuml;r
H&ouml;hlenkunde in OberSteier (VfHO)</span>:
This is the group who are responsible for the kataster in our
area, and which several CUCC members have also joined. There
are two articles about diving in Li&auml;gerh&ouml;hle (1623/1)
in <a href="obsteier/dive1.htm" lang="de-at" xml:lang=
"de-at">1985</a> and <a href="obsteier/dive2.htm" lang="de-at"
xml:lang="de-at">1988</a>, on the site. Also from their journal
is the German translation of CUCC's <a href=
"../years/1996/bcra-d.htm" lang="de" xml:lang="de">1996
report</a>.</li>
<li><span lang="de-at">Landesverein f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in
Ober&ouml;sterreich (LVHO)</span> (with a website in
<a href="http://alpha.aec.at/cave/cave.html" lang="en">English</a> or
<a href="http://alpha.aec.at/cave/" lang="de-at">German</a>).<br>
This is the group responsible for exploration of the
<b lang="de-at">Raucherkarh&ouml;hle</b>, and for the kataster in nearby area
1626.
<li><span lang="de-at" xml:lang="de-at">Landesverein f&uuml;r
H&ouml;hlenkunde in Ober&ouml;sterreich (LVHO)</span>:
This is the group responsible for exploration of the <b lang=
"de-at" xml:lang="de-at">Raucherkarh&ouml;hle</b>, and for the
kataster in nearby area 1626.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<h4>Other Austrian Groups and individuals</h4>
<h4>Other Austrian Groups and individuals</h4>
<ul>
<li><span lang="de-at" xml:lang="de-at">Edith
Bednarik</span></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><span lang="de-at">Edith Bednarik</span>
</ul>
<h4>British Groups</h4>
<h4>British Groups</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="bec/index.htm">BEC</a>: Bristol Exploration Club
[1967, 1968, 1969] (<a href=
"http://web.ukonline.co.uk/john/">Home page</a>)</li>
<ul>
<li><a href="bec/index.htm">BEC</a>: Bristol Exploration Club [1967, 1968, 1969] (<a href="http://web.ukonline.co.uk/john/">Home page</a>)
<li><a href="../../index.htm">CUCC</a>: Cambridge University Caving Club [1976-97]
<li><a href="ubss/index.htm">UBSS</a>: University of Bristol Speleological Society [with CUCC 1981, 1982, independently in 1989, 1990 ?]
<li><a href="luss/index.htm">LUSS</a>: Lancaster University Speleological Society [1987-89] (<a href="http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/rec-and-travel/luss/">Home page</a>)
<li><a href="ulsa/index.htm">ULSA</a>: University of Leeds Speleological Association [Tauplitz, 1985 (or 86?)] (<a href="http://www.leeds.ac.uk/union/socs/speleological/home.htm">Home page</a>)
</ul>
<li><a href="../../index.htm">CUCC</a>: Cambridge University
Caving Club [1976-97]</li>
<h4>Belgian Groups</h4>
<li><a href="ubss/index.htm">UBSS</a>: University of Bristol
Speleological Society [with CUCC 1981, 1982, independently in
1989, 1990 ?]</li>
<ul>
<li><span lang="fr-be">CASE HA (Club d'Archaeologie, de
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologie et d'Escalade de Huy Andenne)</span> [1972,1973]
<li><a href="luss/index.htm">LUSS</a>: Lancaster University
Speleological Society [1987-89] (<a href=
"http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/rec-and-travel/luss/">Home
page</a>)</li>
<li><span lang="fr-be"><a href="gsab/index.htm" lang="en">GSAB</a>: Groupe
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Alpin Belge</span>
[1972,1973,1974,1975,1976,1977,1978]<br>
(people of other club affiliations out with GSAB in 1977, CASEO, SSSPA,
GSREDAN, ES GEODE, SC Calcaires, similarly GIPS, SCUCL in 1978)
<li><a href="ulsa/index.htm">ULSA</a>: University of Leeds
Speleological Association [Tauplitz, 1985 (or 86?)] (<a href=
"http://www.leeds.ac.uk/union/socs/speleological/home.htm">Home
page</a>)</li>
</ul>
<li>CASEO 1975
</ul>
<h4>Belgian Groups</h4>
<h4>French Groups</h4>
<ul>
<li><span lang="fr-be" xml:lang="fr-be">CASE HA (Club
d'Archaeologie, de Sp&eacute;l&eacute;ologie et d'Escalade de
Huy Andenne)</span> [1972,1973]</li>
<ul>
<li><span lang="fr">G.S.Clerval</span>,
now <span lang="fr">G.S.Clerval - Baume les Dames</span>
(<a href="gscb/index.htm">GSCB</a>) 1974, 75, 77, 83-87, 88-90?, 91-...
<li><span lang="fr">S.C. Vesoul</span> \
<li><span lang="fr">G.S. Doubs</span> } 1974
<li><span lang="fr">S.S. Daules</span> /
<li><span lang="fr">A.C. Toulon</span> \
<li><span lang="fr">S.C. Toulon</span> } 1976, 1977?
<li><span lang="fr">Lou Darboun</span> /
<li><span lang="fr">Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Ragaie</span> /
</ul>
<li><span lang="fr-be" xml:lang="fr-be"><a href=
"gsab/index.htm" lang="en" xml:lang="en">GSAB</a>: Groupe
Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o Alpin Belge</span>
[1972,1973,1974,1975,1976,1977,1978]<br />
(people of other club affiliations out with GSAB in 1977,
CASEO, SSSPA, GSREDAN, ES GEODE, SC Calcaires, similarly GIPS,
SCUCL in 1978)</li>
<h4>not quite sure, French or Belgian ?</h4>
<li>CASEO 1975</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><span lang="fr">CARSS 1975, 1978 (Centre d'Activit&eacute; et
R&eacute;cherches Subaquatique et Souterrainne)</span>
</ul>
<h4>French Groups</h4>
<h4>German Groups and individuals</h4>
<ul>
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">G.S.Clerval</span>, now
<span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">G.S.Clerval - Baume les
Dames</span> (<a href="gscb/index.htm">GSCB</a>) 1974, 75, 77,
83-87, 88-90?, 91-...</li>
<ul>
<li><span lang="de">Vereines f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in M&uuml;nchen
e.V.</span> 1983 and others. The site contains one article from this group
which is CTS ref.
<a lang="de" href="muenchen/de/841642.htm">84.1642</a>, also now included
in <a href="muenchen/en/841642.htm">English translation.</a>
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">S.C. Vesoul</span>,</li>
<li>A group from <span lang="de">N&uuml;rnberg</span> who worked with the
above, but also worked independently - they have some survey data we need !
<li><span lang="de"><a href="http://arge.itvd.uni-stuttgart.de/"
lang="de">Arbeitsgemeinschaft H&ouml;hle und Karst Grabenstetten
e.V.</a></span>
<li><span lang="de">Vred Vischer</span> 1980 (worked/s with above)
</ul>
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">G.S. Doubs</span>,</li>
<h4>Polish</h4>
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">S.S. Daules</span> (all in 1974)</li>
<ul>
<li><span lang="pl">Speleo Krakow</span><br>
An article in a Polish journal has misled the authors of the English version
of the world deep caves atlas into thinking that Poles worked with CUCC. In
fact, the article was commissioned by <span lang="pl">Krzysztof
Kleszynski</span> who had done a lot of work in the Salzburg area. It was
written by Andy Waddington, covering 1976-79 (and particularly the
exploration of <span lang="de-at">Eislufth&ouml;hle</span>), and concerns
only work done by CUCC. It appeared in the Polish journal purely as part of
an effort to give some context to other reports about Austria. Andy never got
a copy (but then he can't read the Polish translation anyway). The
<a href="../years/1979/811412.htm">english original</a> is published in these
pages for the first time !
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">A.C. Toulon</span>,</li>
</ul>
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">S.C. Toulon</span>,</li>
<h4>Italian, Hungarian, Slovak ...</h4>
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Lou Darboun</span>,</li>
<ul>
<li>We think there may have been some...
</ul>
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">Sp&eacute;l&eacute;o
Ragaie</span> (all in 1976, 77?)</li>
</ul>
<h4>not quite sure, French or Belgian ?</h4>
<ul>
<li><span lang="fr" xml:lang="fr">CARSS 1975, 1978 (Centre
d'Activit&eacute; et R&eacute;cherches Subaquatique et
Souterrainne)</span></li>
</ul>
<h4>German Groups and individuals</h4>
<ul>
<li><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Vereines f&uuml;r
H&ouml;hlenkunde in M&uuml;nchen e.V.</span> 1983 and others.
The site contains one article from this group which is CTS ref.
<a lang="de" href="muenchen/de/841642.htm" xml:lang=
"de">84.1642</a>, also now included in <a href=
"muenchen/en/841642.htm">English translation.</a></li>
<li>A group from <span lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">N&uuml;rnberg</span> who worked with the above, but also
worked independently - they have some survey data we need
!</li>
<li><span lang="de" xml:lang="de"><a href=
"http://arge.itvd.uni-stuttgart.de/" lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">Arbeitsgemeinschaft H&ouml;hle und Karst Grabenstetten
e.V.</a></span></li>
<li><span lang="de" xml:lang="de">Vred Vischer</span> 1980
(worked/s with above)</li>
</ul>
<h4>Polish</h4>
<ul>
<li><span lang="pl" xml:lang="pl">Speleo Krakow</span><br />
An article in a Polish journal has misled the authors of the
English version of the world deep caves atlas into thinking
that Poles worked with CUCC. In fact, the article was
commissioned by <span lang="pl" xml:lang="pl">Krzysztof
Kleszynski</span> who had done a lot of work in the Salzburg
area. It was written by Andy Waddington, covering 1976-79 (and
particularly the exploration of <span lang="de-at" xml:lang=
"de-at">Eislufth&ouml;hle</span>), and concerns only work done
by CUCC. It appeared in the Polish journal purely as part of an
effort to give some context to other reports about Austria.
Andy never got a copy (but then he can't read the Polish
translation anyway). The <a href=
"../years/1979/811412.htm">english original</a> is published in
these pages for the first time !</li>
</ul>
<h4>Italian, Hungarian, Slovak ...</h4>
<ul>
<li>We think there may have been some...</li>
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<h1>Lancaster University Speleological Society</h1>
<p>LUSS, and its graduate offspring, the Society of Lancaster University
Graduate Speleologists (SLUGS), is based on campus in Lancaster, within very
easy reach of the Yorkshire Dales. Hence it has become one of the more
active clubs over the years, with young cavers trained on weekends in
Yorkshire travelling further afield each summer. Best known for major
explorations in the Picos de Europa of Northern Spain, it has a reputation
for high quality (if infrequent) publication.
<p>LUSS have their
<a href="http://www.ednet.lancs.ac.uk/luss/index.html">
own web pages</a>, or may be contacted via their
<a href="http://www.ednet.lancs.ac.uk/luss/contact.html">contact page</a>
or maybe directly through email. Their web page gives:<br>
<center>
<img src="../../../icons/email.png">&nbsp;&nbsp;LUSS@lancaster.ac.uk
but I get a bounce from this address
</center>
<p>Lancaster University Speleological Society worked in an area out to the
north of CUCC's home turf, between Wildensee, Hohes Augst-Eck and Gr.
Scheibling Kogel, on three expeditions in 1987, 1988 and 1989. Some of the
caves they explored lie within the 1623 area, although the boundaries
between areas are not very well-defined hereabouts.
<p>The descriptions included in our pages are taken (with permission, for
which our thanks) directly from their reports, published in the UK:
<p><cite><b>CTS 88.1467</b> <a href="http://www.ednet.lancs.ac.uk/luss/Exploration/Austria/are87.html">Austria Reconnaissance Expedition 1987</a>,
Lancaster University Speleological Society</cite><br>
<cite><b>CTS 89.1866</b> Dead Mountains Expedition 1988, L.U.S.S.</cite> 24pp illus.<br>
<p>I only have an incomplete pre-publication report from 1989 (the full
report was never published), which means that there is no description of the
1989 extensions to LA11 in these pages.
<p>Copies of these reports (if still in print) are available from:
<p>Lancaster University Speleological Society,<br>
c/o Neil Turton,<br>
34, Williamson Rd.<br>
Lancaster.<br>
United Kingdom
<p>(note that the Bailrigg campus Pigeon Holes address, given in many
LUSS publications and in old versions of this page, is now unlikely to reach
the Society).
<p>As they <i>may</i> still be in print, these reports are not in our web
pages at present, though the descriptions of caves in 1623, and the more
significant ones in 1626 are. <b>Stoppress</b>: from 1999, some of this
material is appearing on the LUSS website (see link above). Expect the
C&amp;C 38 article to appear shortly, but currently the link in LUSS's own
index page is broken, so I don't know the URL.
<p>Other reports of the LUSS work appear in:<br>
<cite><b>CTS 87.1514</b> LUSS Austria Reconnaissance Expedition<br> BCRA Caves &amp; Caving 38 (Winter 1987), pp 27-30</cite><br>
<cite><b>CTS 88.1468</b> LUSS The Dead Mountains Expedition<br> BCRA Caves &amp; Caving 42 (Winter 1988), pp 20-21</cite><br>
<cite><b>CTS 89.1844</b> The Dead Mountains Expedition 1988, P Ibberson<br> Expeditions Yearbook 1988, pp 91-92</cite>
(obtainable from the Expeditions Advisory Centre, London.)<br>
<cite><b>CTS 90.1298</b> The Dead Mountains Expedition 1989, P Ibberson</cite><br> BCRA Caves &amp; Caving 47 (Spring 1990), pp 25-28
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<p>LUSS, and its graduate offspring, the Society of Lancaster
University Graduate Speleologists (SLUGS), is based on campus in
Lancaster, within very easy reach of the Yorkshire Dales. Hence it
has become one of the more active clubs over the years, with young
cavers trained on weekends in Yorkshire travelling further afield
each summer. Best known for major explorations in the Picos de
Europa of Northern Spain, it has a reputation for high quality (if
infrequent) publication.</p>
<p>LUSS have their <a href=
"http://www.ednet.lancs.ac.uk/luss/index.html">own web pages</a>,
or may be contacted via their <a href=
"http://www.ednet.lancs.ac.uk/luss/contact.html">contact page</a>
or maybe directly through email. Their web page gives:<br /></p>
<p style="text-align: center"><img src=
"../../../icons/email.png" alt="" />&nbsp;&nbsp;LUSS@lancaster.ac.uk <i>(but I
get a bounce from this address)</i></p>
<p>Lancaster University Speleological Society worked in an area out
to the north of CUCC's home turf, between Wildensee, Hohes
Augst-Eck and Gr. Scheibling Kogel, on three expeditions in 1987,
1988 and 1989. Some of the caves they explored lie within the 1623
area, although the boundaries between areas are not very
well-defined hereabouts.</p>
<p>The descriptions included in our pages are taken (with
permission, for which our thanks) directly from their reports,
published in the UK:</p>
<p><cite><b>CTS 88.1467</b> <a href=
"http://www.ednet.lancs.ac.uk/luss/Exploration/Austria/are87.html">Austria
Reconnaissance Expedition 1987</a>, Lancaster University
Speleological Society</cite><br />
<cite><b>CTS 89.1866</b> Dead Mountains Expedition 1988,
L.U.S.S.</cite> 24pp illus.<br /></p>
<p>I only have an incomplete pre-publication report from 1989 (the
full report was never published), which means that there is no
description of the 1989 extensions to LA11 in these pages.</p>
<p>Copies of these reports (if still in print) are available
from:</p>
<p>Lancaster University Speleological Society,<br />
c/o Neil Turton,<br />
34, Williamson Rd.<br />
Lancaster.<br />
United Kingdom</p>
<p>(note that the Bailrigg campus Pigeon Holes address, given in
many LUSS publications and in old versions of this page, is now
unlikely to reach the Society).</p>
<p>As they <i>may</i> still be in print, these reports are not in
our web pages at present, though the descriptions of caves in 1623,
and the more significant ones in 1626 are. <b>Stoppress</b>: from
1999, some of this material is appearing on the LUSS website (see
link above). Expect the C&amp;C 38 article to appear shortly, but
currently the link in LUSS's own index page is broken, so I don't
know the URL.</p>
<p>Other reports of the LUSS work appear in:<br />
<cite><b>CTS 87.1514</b> LUSS Austria Reconnaissance
Expedition<br />
BCRA Caves &amp; Caving 38 (Winter 1987), pp 27-30</cite><br />
<cite><b>CTS 88.1468</b> LUSS The Dead Mountains Expedition<br />
BCRA Caves &amp; Caving 42 (Winter 1988), pp 20-21</cite><br />
<cite><b>CTS 89.1844</b> The Dead Mountains Expedition 1988, P
Ibberson<br />
Expeditions Yearbook 1988, pp 91-92</cite> (obtainable from the
Expeditions Advisory Centre, London.)<br />
<cite><b>CTS 90.1298</b> The Dead Mountains Expedition 1989, P
Ibberson</cite><br />
BCRA Caves &amp; Caving 47 (Spring 1990), pp 25-28</p>
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<h2>TAUCHEINSATZ IN DER LIAGER-H&Ouml;HLE BEI ALTAUSSEE (1623/1)</h2>
Sepp Steinberger
<p><i>(Mitteilungen des Vereines f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in Obersteier 4(2) 1985 pp 26-27)</i>
<p>Nachdem die Redaktion &uuml;ber ein Jahr vergeblich versucht hat, von den
Hauptakteuren (Tauchern) einen Bericht &uuml;ber dieses sehr aufwendige
Unternehmen zu erhalten, erlaube ich mir, da Dokumentation doch eine der
Hauptaufgaben unserer H&ouml;hlenkundlichen T&auml;tigkeit ist, ein paar
Zeilen &uuml;ber die Ereignisse zu verlieren.
<p>Am 5 August 1984 wurde von Mitgliedern unseres Vereines eine Tauchaktion
in der Liager-H&ouml;hle bei Altaussee unternommen. Ziel des Einsatzes war
es, in Quelltopf, dessen Tiefe auf 16 Meter gelotet worden war, zu tauchen,
und somit &uuml;ber seine Tiefe, Gestalt und etwaige Fortsetzungen Kenntnis
zu erhalten. Es ist in einer "zeitweilig aktiven Wasserh&ouml;hle", wie sie
die Liager-H&ouml;hle darstellt, sehr wichtig, die &auml;u&szlig;eren
Umst&auml;nde - sprich Wetter und Schneelage - zu beachten. Schon zu
Pfingsten 1984 war diese Aktion geplant gewesen, wurde aber abgesagt, weil
man bef&uuml;rchten mu&szlig;te, da&szlig; durch die Schneeschmelze eine
&uuml;berraschende Aktivit&auml;t eintreten k&ouml;nnte. So einigten wir uns
auf diesen Termin und begannen auch gleich mit umfangreichen
Vorbereitungsarbeiten.
<p>Um nicht die Taucher allein in die H&ouml;hle schicken zu m&uuml;ssen,
sollte ser Wasserspiegel im "Ostsiphon" gesenkt werden, soda&szlig; auch die
Begleitmannschaft und das Reporterteam (ORF-Fernsehen und Bayerischer
Rundfunk) samt allen empfindlichen Ger&auml;ten an Ort und Stelle gelangen
konnten. Dies geschah mit einem 20 Meter langen Kunnststoffschlauch (50 mm
Dm.), den uns der Salzbergbau Altaussee zur Verf&uuml;gung gestellt hatte.
Mit diesem sollte das Wasser des Siphones abgeherbert werden, was erst nach
mehreren kr&auml;fteraubenden Versuchen gelang. Die Schwierigkeit dabei war,
den sperrigen Schlauch mit Wasser zu f&uuml;llen und so den Abhebevorgang zu
starten. Au&szlig;erdem ist die H&ouml;hendifferenz von der Ansaugstelle zum
Abflu&szlig; eher gering. Am 4 August fand dann die Einsatzbesprechung mit
allen Teilnehmern statt, bei welcher alle Einzelheiten besprochen und
diverse Schwierigkeiten er&ouml;rtert wurden.
<p>Am Sonntag, 5 August 1985, ist es schlie&szlig;lich so weit: Um 9 Uhr
vormittag treffen alle Teilnehmer in Altaussee ein. Die gesamte
Ausr&uuml;stung wird auf das Schnellboot der Wasserrettung Altaussee
verladen und in einigen Fahrten zusammen mit der Mannschaft in die Seewiese
bef&ouml;rdert. Von Seeufer bis zur H&ouml;hle bet&auml;tigen sich alle
Teilnehmer als "Sherpas" und tragen in mehreren G&auml;ngen die einige
hundert Kilo schwere Ausr&uuml;stung zum H&ouml;hleneingang: Scheinwerfer,
Akkus, Video-Aufzeichnungsger&auml;t, Pre&szlig;luftflaschen, Helme,
Tauchanz&uuml;ge, Schlauchtboot, Sicherungsseile, Drahtseilleitern und
vieles mehr. R.Mascha, R.Seebacher und H.Segl bilden den Vortrupp und sehen
nach, wie weit der Wasserspiegel im Ostsiphon gesunken ist (der
Abhebeversuch war erst am Vortag gegl&uuml;ckt), und ob der Siphon auch
f&uuml;r "Nichttaucher" zu befahren ist. Nun beginnt der Transport der
Ausr&uuml;stung. Die Mitglieder der Mannschaft bilden immer wieder eine
Kette und schaffen in schwei&szlig;treibender Arbeit die Ausr&uuml;stung
durch die teilweise engen H&ouml;hlenteile des "Ostganges". Der letzte
H&ouml;hlenteil vor dem Quelltopf ("Schragschacht") erweist sich wegen des
glitschigen Lehmes und seiner Steilheit als sehr schwierig zu befahren und
mu&szlig; an einigen Stellen mit Seilsicherungen versehen werden. Endlich am
eigentlichen Ziel angelangt, wird der etwa 15 Meter hohe Senkrechtabstieg
zum See f&uuml;r die Taucher gesichert und ein Schlauchboot zu Wasser
gelassen. Das boot ist f&uuml;r den Techniker gedacht, der mit dem Taucher
&uuml;ber ein Kabel verbunden ist und sogar mit ihm sprechen kann. Ein
Taucher schlie&szlig;lich (Manfred Pichler) wagt sich in das eisige Wasser
(nur wenige Grad &uuml;ber Null) des Quelltopfes und entschwindet tief
unterhalb der Betrachter dem Licht der Scheinwerfer. Reporter und
Begleitmannschaft starren gebannt in den bereits nebligen H&ouml;hlenraum,
in dem der fast kreisrunde H&ouml;hlensee - Durchmesser etwa 20 Meter -
liegt. Urspr&uuml;nglich h&auml;tten die Gespr&auml;che des Tauchers mit dem
Techniker mittels Verst&auml;rker und Lautsprecher f&uuml;r alle h&ouml;rbar
gemacht werden sollen, doch irgend ein technisches Gebrechen hat das
verhindert. Der Quelltopf wird bis auf einen Tiefe von 20 Meter erforscht.
Auch einige Fortsetzungen bestehen, doch wegen der starken
Wassertr&uuml;bung ist es nicht m&ouml;glich, weiter als ein paar Meter in
sie vorzudringen.
<p>H.Segl und R.Seebacher n&uuml;tzen die Zeit w&auml;hrend des Tauchganges,
um am gegen&uuml;berliegenden Ufer des Quelltopfes Fortsetzungen zu erkunden
und gelangen nach &uuml;berwindung einer ca. 10 Meter hohen Wandstufe erneut
in einen H&ouml;hlenraum, der mit Wasser erf&uuml;llt ist und mit dem
gro&szlig;en See in Verbindung steht. Eine weitere Fortsetzung kann nicht
erkundet werden.
<p>Nach Ende des Tauchganges klettert der Taucher, zitternd vor K&auml;lte,
mit letzter Kraft &uuml;ber die Drahtseilleiter aus dem Dom zur&uuml;ck.
Nachdem einige (&uuml;bliche) Reporterfragen beantwortet sind, tritt die
Mannschaft, die stundenlang mit nassen F&uuml;&szlig;en ausgeharrt hatte,
den R&uuml;ckweg an und erreicht (der Siphon hatte sich nicht wieder
aufgef&uuml;llt) neun Stunden nach dem Einstieg in die H&ouml;hle das
Tageslicht.
<p>Minuten sp&auml;ter entl&auml;dt sich &uuml;ber der Seewiese ein heftiges
Gewitter mit wolkenbruchartigen Regenf&auml;llen, und alles, was bis zu
diesem Zeitpunkt noch einigerma&szlig;en trocken ist, wird vom
str&ouml;menden Regen durchn&auml;&szlig;t. Dank der Altausseer
Wasserrettung funktioniert der R&uuml;cktransport klaglos, und
anschlie&szlig;end treffen sich die Mitglieder unseres Vereines zu einem
wohlverdienten Abendessen in einem Altauseer Gasthof.
<p>Einige Tage sp&auml;ter wird in der Fernsehsendung "&ouml;sterreich
heute" ein l&auml;cherlicher Drei-Minuten-Bericht (!) &uuml;ber diese
spektakul&auml;re Neun-Stunden-Expedition ausgestrahlt. &uuml;ber Reportagen
anderer Art ist der Redaktion der "Mitteilungen" bisher nichts bekannt.
<p>Liste der beteiligten Personen:
<h1>TAUCHEINSATZ IN DER LIAGER-H&Ouml;HLE BEI ALTAUSSEE
(1623/1)</h1>
<p style="text-align: right"><b>Sepp Steinberger</b></p>
<p><i>(Mitteilungen des Vereines f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in
Obersteier 4(2) 1985 pp 26-27)</i></p>
<p>Nachdem die Redaktion &uuml;ber ein Jahr vergeblich versucht
hat, von den Hauptakteuren (Tauchern) einen Bericht &uuml;ber
dieses sehr aufwendige Unternehmen zu erhalten, erlaube ich mir, da
Dokumentation doch eine der Hauptaufgaben unserer
H&ouml;hlenkundlichen T&auml;tigkeit ist, ein paar Zeilen &uuml;ber
die Ereignisse zu verlieren.</p>
<p>Am 5 August 1984 wurde von Mitgliedern unseres Vereines eine
Tauchaktion in der Liager-H&ouml;hle bei Altaussee unternommen.
Ziel des Einsatzes war es, in Quelltopf, dessen Tiefe auf 16 Meter
gelotet worden war, zu tauchen, und somit &uuml;ber seine Tiefe,
Gestalt und etwaige Fortsetzungen Kenntnis zu erhalten. Es ist in
einer "zeitweilig aktiven Wasserh&ouml;hle", wie sie die
Liager-H&ouml;hle darstellt, sehr wichtig, die &auml;u&szlig;eren
Umst&auml;nde - sprich Wetter und Schneelage - zu beachten. Schon
zu Pfingsten 1984 war diese Aktion geplant gewesen, wurde aber
abgesagt, weil man bef&uuml;rchten mu&szlig;te, da&szlig; durch die
Schneeschmelze eine &uuml;berraschende Aktivit&auml;t eintreten
k&ouml;nnte. So einigten wir uns auf diesen Termin und begannen
auch gleich mit umfangreichen Vorbereitungsarbeiten.</p>
<p>Um nicht die Taucher allein in die H&ouml;hle schicken zu
m&uuml;ssen, sollte ser Wasserspiegel im "Ostsiphon" gesenkt
werden, soda&szlig; auch die Begleitmannschaft und das Reporterteam
(ORF-Fernsehen und Bayerischer Rundfunk) samt allen empfindlichen
Ger&auml;ten an Ort und Stelle gelangen konnten. Dies geschah mit
einem 20 Meter langen Kunnststoffschlauch (50 mm Dm.), den uns der
Salzbergbau Altaussee zur Verf&uuml;gung gestellt hatte. Mit diesem
sollte das Wasser des Siphones abgeherbert werden, was erst nach
mehreren kr&auml;fteraubenden Versuchen gelang. Die Schwierigkeit
dabei war, den sperrigen Schlauch mit Wasser zu f&uuml;llen und so
den Abhebevorgang zu starten. Au&szlig;erdem ist die
H&ouml;hendifferenz von der Ansaugstelle zum Abflu&szlig; eher
gering. Am 4 August fand dann die Einsatzbesprechung mit allen
Teilnehmern statt, bei welcher alle Einzelheiten besprochen und
diverse Schwierigkeiten er&ouml;rtert wurden.</p>
<p>Am Sonntag, 5 August 1985, ist es schlie&szlig;lich so weit: Um
9 Uhr vormittag treffen alle Teilnehmer in Altaussee ein. Die
gesamte Ausr&uuml;stung wird auf das Schnellboot der Wasserrettung
Altaussee verladen und in einigen Fahrten zusammen mit der
Mannschaft in die Seewiese bef&ouml;rdert. Von Seeufer bis zur
H&ouml;hle bet&auml;tigen sich alle Teilnehmer als "Sherpas" und
tragen in mehreren G&auml;ngen die einige hundert Kilo schwere
Ausr&uuml;stung zum H&ouml;hleneingang: Scheinwerfer, Akkus,
Video-Aufzeichnungsger&auml;t, Pre&szlig;luftflaschen, Helme,
Tauchanz&uuml;ge, Schlauchtboot, Sicherungsseile, Drahtseilleitern
und vieles mehr. R.Mascha, R.Seebacher und H.Segl bilden den
Vortrupp und sehen nach, wie weit der Wasserspiegel im Ostsiphon
gesunken ist (der Abhebeversuch war erst am Vortag gegl&uuml;ckt),
und ob der Siphon auch f&uuml;r "Nichttaucher" zu befahren ist. Nun
beginnt der Transport der Ausr&uuml;stung. Die Mitglieder der
Mannschaft bilden immer wieder eine Kette und schaffen in
schwei&szlig;treibender Arbeit die Ausr&uuml;stung durch die
teilweise engen H&ouml;hlenteile des "Ostganges". Der letzte
H&ouml;hlenteil vor dem Quelltopf ("Schragschacht") erweist sich
wegen des glitschigen Lehmes und seiner Steilheit als sehr
schwierig zu befahren und mu&szlig; an einigen Stellen mit
Seilsicherungen versehen werden. Endlich am eigentlichen Ziel
angelangt, wird der etwa 15 Meter hohe Senkrechtabstieg zum See
f&uuml;r die Taucher gesichert und ein Schlauchboot zu Wasser
gelassen. Das boot ist f&uuml;r den Techniker gedacht, der mit dem
Taucher &uuml;ber ein Kabel verbunden ist und sogar mit ihm
sprechen kann. Ein Taucher schlie&szlig;lich (Manfred Pichler) wagt
sich in das eisige Wasser (nur wenige Grad &uuml;ber Null) des
Quelltopfes und entschwindet tief unterhalb der Betrachter dem
Licht der Scheinwerfer. Reporter und Begleitmannschaft starren
gebannt in den bereits nebligen H&ouml;hlenraum, in dem der fast
kreisrunde H&ouml;hlensee - Durchmesser etwa 20 Meter - liegt.
Urspr&uuml;nglich h&auml;tten die Gespr&auml;che des Tauchers mit
dem Techniker mittels Verst&auml;rker und Lautsprecher f&uuml;r
alle h&ouml;rbar gemacht werden sollen, doch irgend ein technisches
Gebrechen hat das verhindert. Der Quelltopf wird bis auf einen
Tiefe von 20 Meter erforscht. Auch einige Fortsetzungen bestehen,
doch wegen der starken Wassertr&uuml;bung ist es nicht
m&ouml;glich, weiter als ein paar Meter in sie vorzudringen.</p>
<p>H.Segl und R.Seebacher n&uuml;tzen die Zeit w&auml;hrend des
Tauchganges, um am gegen&uuml;berliegenden Ufer des Quelltopfes
Fortsetzungen zu erkunden und gelangen nach &uuml;berwindung einer
ca. 10 Meter hohen Wandstufe erneut in einen H&ouml;hlenraum, der
mit Wasser erf&uuml;llt ist und mit dem gro&szlig;en See in
Verbindung steht. Eine weitere Fortsetzung kann nicht erkundet
werden.</p>
<p>Nach Ende des Tauchganges klettert der Taucher, zitternd vor
K&auml;lte, mit letzter Kraft &uuml;ber die Drahtseilleiter aus dem
Dom zur&uuml;ck. Nachdem einige (&uuml;bliche) Reporterfragen
beantwortet sind, tritt die Mannschaft, die stundenlang mit nassen
F&uuml;&szlig;en ausgeharrt hatte, den R&uuml;ckweg an und erreicht
(der Siphon hatte sich nicht wieder aufgef&uuml;llt) neun Stunden
nach dem Einstieg in die H&ouml;hle das Tageslicht.</p>
<p>Minuten sp&auml;ter entl&auml;dt sich &uuml;ber der Seewiese ein
heftiges Gewitter mit wolkenbruchartigen Regenf&auml;llen, und
alles, was bis zu diesem Zeitpunkt noch einigerma&szlig;en trocken
ist, wird vom str&ouml;menden Regen durchn&auml;&szlig;t. Dank der
Altausseer Wasserrettung funktioniert der R&uuml;cktransport
klaglos, und anschlie&szlig;end treffen sich die Mitglieder unseres
Vereines zu einem wohlverdienten Abendessen in einem Altauseer
Gasthof.</p>
<p>Einige Tage sp&auml;ter wird in der Fernsehsendung
"&ouml;sterreich heute" ein l&auml;cherlicher Drei-Minuten-Bericht
(!) &uuml;ber diese spektakul&auml;re Neun-Stunden-Expedition
ausgestrahlt. &uuml;ber Reportagen anderer Art ist der Redaktion
der "Mitteilungen" bisher nichts bekannt.</p>
<p>Liste der beteiligten Personen:</p>
<ul>
<li> Verein f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in Obersteier
<ul><li>Alois Deubelli (Taucher)
<li>G&uuml;nter Pichler (Taucher)
<li>Manfred Pichler (Taucher)
<li>Karl Gaisberger
<li>Gottfried Gewe&szlig;ler
<li>Rudolf Mascha
<li>Robert Seebacher
<li>Hans Segl
<li>Sepp Steinberger
<li>Verein f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in Obersteier
<ul>
<li>Alois Deubelli (Taucher)</li>
<li>G&uuml;nter Pichler (Taucher)</li>
<li>Manfred Pichler (Taucher)</li>
<li>Karl Gaisberger</li>
<li>Gottfried Gewe&szlig;ler</li>
<li>Rudolf Mascha</li>
<li>Robert Seebacher</li>
<li>Hans Segl</li>
<li>Sepp Steinberger</li>
</ul>
<li>ORF-Fernsehen (3 Mann)
<li>Bayrischer Rundfunk (1 Mann)
<li>Tauchschule Zauner/Hallstatt (2 Mann)
</li>
<li>ORF-Fernsehen (3 Mann)</li>
<li>Bayrischer Rundfunk (1 Mann)</li>
<li>Tauchschule Zauner/Hallstatt (2 Mann)</li>
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<h2>BERICHT &Uuml;BER TAUCHG&Auml;NGE IN DER LIAGER-H&Ouml;HLE (1623/1 a-b) IM SEPTEMBER 1988</h2>
<p>Lieber Leser !
<p>Die Liager H&ouml;hle bei Altaussee mit ihren Siphonen und dem Quelltopf
hat schon in den sechziger Jahren H&ouml;hlentaucher in ihren Bann gezogen.
Ber&uuml;hmte Namen wie Hasenmayr und Matz scheinen in der Forschungschronik
auf. Auch Mitglieder des Vereines f&uuml; H&ouml;hlenkunde in Obersteier (M.
und G. Pichler, A. Deubelli) unternahmen 1984 einen neunst&uuml;ndigen
Tauchvorsto&szlig;, der jedoch trotz eines geqaltigen Aufgebotes an Material
und - vor allem - Presseleuten au&szlig;er einem dreimin&uuml;tigen ORF
Fernseh-Spot(t) keine Ergebnisse brachte (Siehe Mitteilungen 1985, 2. Folge).
<p>Als sich im Fr&uuml;hjar 1988 eine H&ouml;hlentauchergruppe aus Heidelberg
bei unserem Katasterwart meldete, waren wir angesichts der tragischen
Ereignisse im Pie&szlig;ling Ursprung &uuml;ber deren Vorhaben nicht
Hocherfreut, obgleich es sicher jeden von uns interessiert, ob und wie es
hinter dem See &quot;weitergeht&quot;.
<p>Die Sorgfalt der Berichterstattung war schlie&szlig;lich ausschlaggebend
daf&uuml;r, da&szlig; der Bericht ungek&uuml;rzt abgedrukt wurde.
<p align=right>Die Redaktion.
<p>Vorbereitungen:
<p>Als die Wettervorhersage, nach einer Woche Regen, f&uuml;r die kommeden
Tage relativ gut ausfiel, entschlossen wir uns, die Befahrung der Liager
H&ouml;hle in Angriff zu nehmen.
<p>Von der letzten Parkm&ouml;glichkeit in Altaussee aus transportierten wir
under Gep&auml;ck 8.9.1988 auf alten Kinderwagen den Uferweg des Altausseer
Sees entlang zur Seewiese. Eine Tour dauerte etwa 1.5 Stunden. Nach 6 Stunden
hatten wir das f&uuml;r die Befahrung n&ouml;tige Material, sowie Verpflegung
und und Schlafs&auml;cke etc. in diw N&auml;he der H&ouml;hle transportiert.
<p>Nach dem Abendbrot schleppten Achim, Bettina und ich noch eben vier 41 und
zwei 71 Pressluftflaschen die Steilwand zum Liagern hinauf.
<p>Die 41 Pressluftflaschen sollten in den n&auml;chsten Tagen dazu dienen,
den Siphon im westlichen Wassergang zu durchtauchen.
<p>Sie blieben immer auf der jeweiligen Seite direkt am Siphon liegen.
<p>Die 71 Flaschen sollten am See zu einem Doppelger&auml;t zusammengebaut
werden, um damit den See unter Wasser zu erforschen.
<p lang=en>[that's the first page...]
<p lang=en>A follow up article by Achim Bayer, Michael Meyberg and Bettina
Rinne in <i lang=de>(Mitteilungen des Vereines f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in
Obersteier 7(2) 1988 pp 39-45)</i> is waiting to be typed in :-)
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<h1>BERICHT &Uuml;BER TAUCHG&Auml;NGE IN DER LIAGER-H&Ouml;HLE
(1623/1 a-b) IM SEPTEMBER 1988</h1>
<p>Lieber Leser !</p>
<p>Die Liager H&ouml;hle bei Altaussee mit ihren Siphonen und dem
Quelltopf hat schon in den sechziger Jahren H&ouml;hlentaucher in
ihren Bann gezogen. Ber&uuml;hmte Namen wie Hasenmayr und Matz
scheinen in der Forschungschronik auf. Auch Mitglieder des Vereines
f&uuml; H&ouml;hlenkunde in Obersteier (M. und G. Pichler, A.
Deubelli) unternahmen 1984 einen neunst&uuml;ndigen
Tauchvorsto&szlig;, der jedoch trotz eines geqaltigen Aufgebotes an
Material und - vor allem - Presseleuten au&szlig;er einem
dreimin&uuml;tigen ORF Fernseh-Spot(t) keine Ergebnisse brachte
(Siehe Mitteilungen 1985, 2. Folge).</p>
<p>Als sich im Fr&uuml;hjar 1988 eine H&ouml;hlentauchergruppe aus
Heidelberg bei unserem Katasterwart meldete, waren wir angesichts
der tragischen Ereignisse im Pie&szlig;ling Ursprung &uuml;ber
deren Vorhaben nicht Hocherfreut, obgleich es sicher jeden von uns
interessiert, ob und wie es hinter dem See "weitergeht".</p>
<p>Die Sorgfalt der Berichterstattung war schlie&szlig;lich
ausschlaggebend daf&uuml;r, da&szlig; der Bericht ungek&uuml;rzt
abgedrukt wurde.</p>
<p style="text-align: right"><i>Die Redaktion.</i></p>
<p>Vorbereitungen:</p>
<p>Als die Wettervorhersage, nach einer Woche Regen, f&uuml;r die
kommeden Tage relativ gut ausfiel, entschlossen wir uns, die
Befahrung der Liager H&ouml;hle in Angriff zu nehmen.</p>
<p>Von der letzten Parkm&ouml;glichkeit in Altaussee aus
transportierten wir under Gep&auml;ck 8.9.1988 auf alten
Kinderwagen den Uferweg des Altausseer Sees entlang zur Seewiese.
Eine Tour dauerte etwa 1.5 Stunden. Nach 6 Stunden hatten wir das
f&uuml;r die Befahrung n&ouml;tige Material, sowie Verpflegung und
und Schlafs&auml;cke etc. in diw N&auml;he der H&ouml;hle
transportiert.</p>
<p>Nach dem Abendbrot schleppten Achim, Bettina und ich noch eben
vier 41 und zwei 71 Pressluftflaschen die Steilwand zum Liagern
hinauf.</p>
<p>Die 41 Pressluftflaschen sollten in den n&auml;chsten Tagen dazu
dienen, den Siphon im westlichen Wassergang zu durchtauchen.</p>
<p>Sie blieben immer auf der jeweiligen Seite direkt am Siphon
liegen.</p>
<p>Die 71 Flaschen sollten am See zu einem Doppelger&auml;t
zusammengebaut werden, um damit den See unter Wasser zu
erforschen.</p>
<p lang="en" xml:lang="en">[that's the first page...]</p>
<p lang="en" xml:lang="en">A follow up article by Achim Bayer,
Michael Meyberg and Bettina Rinne in <i lang="de" xml:lang=
"de">(Mitteilungen des Vereines f&uuml;r H&ouml;hlenkunde in
Obersteier 7(2) 1988 pp 39-45)</i> is waiting to be typed in :-)
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<center><h2>University of Bristol Speleological Society</h2></center>
The UBSS is the oldest of the existing British University caving clubs.
Most famous for its work in the caves of County Clare, and also much
involved in Mendip caving, the UBSS also venture further afield.
<p>Steve Perry (once dubbed "the fittest man on Mendip") was a CUCC member
with UBSS connections, who was on the 1977 expedition. Other UBSS members
first joined CUCC's Austria expedition as guests in 1980, and UBSS was a
"guest club" on the CUCC expedition in both 1981 and 1982, after which their
involvement declined. The work done by UBSS members was written up in the
prestigious Proceedings of UBSS.
<p>Sadly we have been asked to remove these pieces
of documentation, which are relevant to CUCCs exploration of the area. We are currently
trying to contact the orginal authors of the articles to ask for their
permission to publish the articles.</p>
<h1>University of Bristol Speleological Society</h1>
<p>The UBSS is the oldest of the existing British University caving
clubs. Most famous for its work in the caves of County Clare, and
also much involved in Mendip caving, the UBSS also venture further
afield.</p>
<p>Steve Perry (once dubbed "the fittest man on Mendip") was a CUCC
member with UBSS connections, who was on the 1977 expedition. Other
UBSS members first joined CUCC's Austria expedition as guests in
1980, and UBSS was a "guest club" on the CUCC expedition in both
1981 and 1982, after which their involvement declined. The work
done by UBSS members was written up in the prestigious Proceedings
of UBSS.</p>
<p>Sadly we have been asked to remove these pieces of
documentation, which are relevant to CUCCs exploration of the area.
We are currently trying to contact the orginal authors of the
articles to ask for their permission to publish the articles.</p>
<dl>
<dt><!-- a href="811427.htm" -->81.1427<dd>
<cite>Proceedings of the University of Bristol Speleological Society 16(1)
(1981) pp 5-10</cite>, <b>An introduction to Austrian karst</b>, Steve Perry
<dt><!-- a href="811309.htm" -->81.1309<dd>
<cite>Proceedings of the University of Bristol Speleological Society 16(1)
(1981) pp 11-20</cite>, <b>A description of some caves...</b>, Julian
Griffiths
<dt><!-- a href="831621.htm" -->83.1621<dd>
<cite>Proceedings of the University of Bristol Speleological Society 16(2)
(Nov 1982) pp 77-83</cite>, <b>The Stellerwegh&ouml;hle system, Totes
Gebirge, Austria</b>, Rich Barker et al
<dt><!-- a href="811427.htm" -->81.1427</dt>
<dd><cite>Proceedings of the University of Bristol Speleological
Society 16(1) (1981) pp 5-10</cite>, <b>An introduction to Austrian
karst</b>, Steve Perry</dd>
<dt><!-- a href="811309.htm" -->81.1309</dt>
<dd><cite>Proceedings of the University of Bristol Speleological
Society 16(1) (1981) pp 11-20</cite>, <b>A description of some
caves...</b>, Julian Griffiths</dd>
<dt><!-- a href="831621.htm" -->83.1621</dt>
<dd><cite>Proceedings of the University of Bristol Speleological
Society 16(2) (Nov 1982) pp 77-83</cite>, <b>The
Stellerwegh&ouml;hle system, Totes Gebirge, Austria</b>, Rich
Barker et al</dd>
</dl>
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<p>Unknown to CUCC (and very much to our embarassment in 1989), a few UBSS
members staged independent expeditions to an area north of the plateau. We
believe there were two trips (in 1989 and 1990), though information is still
hard to come by, as the whole thing was clandestine. The local Austrian
cavers found it hard to believe that CUCC had no knowledge of the trips
whilst CUCC found it hard to believe that no-one at the BCRA Conference would
admit to being with the "English group camped on Augst-Eck" found by the
helicopter during Becka's 1989 rescue. This upset an already delicate
political situation, with the risk that all English groups might be banned
from the area permanently. It would appear that the officers and committee
of the UBSS itself were unaware that their members were visiting the area
without permission and had not bothered to research the political situation
before giving grant money for the trip.
<p>Unknown to CUCC (and very much to our embarassment in 1989), a
few UBSS members staged independent expeditions to an area north of
the plateau. We believe there were two trips (in 1989 and 1990),
though information is still hard to come by, as the whole thing was
clandestine. The local Austrian cavers found it hard to believe
that CUCC had no knowledge of the trips whilst CUCC found it hard
to believe that no-one at the BCRA Conference would admit to being
with the "English group camped on Augst-Eck" found by the
helicopter during Becka's 1989 rescue. This upset an already
delicate political situation, with the risk that all English groups
might be banned from the area permanently. It would appear that the
officers and committee of the UBSS itself were unaware that their
members were visiting the area without permission and had not
bothered to research the political situation before giving grant
money for the trip.</p>
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<center><h2>University of Leeds Speleological Association</h2></center>
<p>ULSA is one of the bigger and more active of the UK's University caving
organisations, and incorporates the (strictly undergraduate) Leeds University
Union Speleological Society. Most famous for the large amount of new
exploration arising out of an ambitious program to resurvey many of
Yorkshire's significant caves in the 1960's, the club has continued to find
and survey new cave at home and abroad. The club also has a deserved
reputation for high quality publication.
<p>Encouraged by contact with Gunther Graf, ULSA visited the Tauplitz area
(east of CUCC's area) in the early eighties. A great deal of shaft bashing
was done, but none of the small sub-horizontal draughting entrances which are
the most promising on Loser were investigated. The expedition high camp was
flattened by a snow storm, and a degree of demoralisation set in. The trip
was written up in <b>ULSA Review 16</b> (CTS ref. 86.1980), but no return
trip ever took place.
<p>ULSA has its
<a href="http://www.leeds.ac.uk/union/socs/speleological/home.htm">own
website</a>, upon which old publications are being put as and when they
go out of print.
<h1>University of Leeds Speleological Association</h1>
<p>ULSA is one of the bigger and more active of the UK's University
caving organisations, and incorporates the (strictly undergraduate)
Leeds University Union Speleological Society. Most famous for the
large amount of new exploration arising out of an ambitious program
to resurvey many of Yorkshire's significant caves in the 1960's,
the club has continued to find and survey new cave at home and
abroad. The club also has a deserved reputation for high quality
publication.</p>
<p>Encouraged by contact with Gunther Graf, ULSA visited the
Tauplitz area (east of CUCC's area) in the early eighties. A great
deal of shaft bashing was done, but none of the small
sub-horizontal draughting entrances which are the most promising on
Loser were investigated. The expedition high camp was flattened by
a snow storm, and a degree of demoralisation set in. The trip was
written up in <b>ULSA Review 16</b> (CTS ref. 86.1980), but no
return trip ever took place.</p>
<p>ULSA has its <a href=
"http://www.leeds.ac.uk/union/socs/speleological/home.htm">own
website</a>, upon which old publications are being put as and when
they go out of print.</p>
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