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Current discussion

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What to buy in UK

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This is from Djuke's email sent 29 Jun. +


+Curry paste --> am lost as to how much +

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I think 2 of the giant Patak's jars is what we normally go for. I was in possession of 1 of these jars, which I've left in the expo food cabinet. It is about 70% full. Since it's a relatively small expo, I would go for one more. The one I put in the t-store is Tandoori, so get something else- Rogon Josh perhaps. -Aaron +
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Oatso --> 20 each (i.e. on avg people do 50% caving, if avg person stays 3 +weeks that's 10 days, with 2 oatso's per morning) * 20 people = 400 and we +probably have some left(?) +

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I put a bunch of Oatso in the expo food cabinet a few days ago (before the t-store session that edvin organized) which came from Ollie Betts. If I had to guess, I would say 20 packets, some very nice flavours. -Aaron 21:38, 29 June 2008 (BST) +
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Peanut butter --> 15 pots (or 2 large ones)? +

1-2 serving green dragon type Instant FLAVOURED noodles --> 350? +

Powdered cheese sauce? +

Can you get tubs of right type of hot choc out in Austria? +

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By "right type" I think we mean that it only needs water rather than milk- i.e. already has powdered milk in it. -Aaron 21:39, 29 June 2008 (BST) +
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We have some dried veg do we need to get more? +

The Tortellini appears to be only available from 1 supermarket (according +to Martin I think) so should we get some here if we are relying so fully on +tortellini for topcamp meals. +

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Other discussion

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Small update: I currently have Olly Betts'; cash and carry card (as it's not much use in New Zealand!).Edvin +

Just got a propper set of scales in a sale, one with a big bucket on top to allow all the stuff for a loaf to be measured in one go. This will make making bread much less messy. --Frank 13:12, 27 June 2008 (BST) +Ps is the bread maker OK, I can't remember???? +

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Reference material

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Rescued from last years expo preparation wiki, as it looked useful: +

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Introduction

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Expo food is bought in the UK if it makes sense considering: +

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  • the time needed to prepare it +
  • the cost and availability differentials between Austria and the UK +
  • the feasibility of transporting it +
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Luggage space is at a premium, so it only pays to transport things that are too expensive or difficult to get in Austria. Don't go mad! +

There are several categories, and sometimes it makes sense to spread the work over several people: +

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  1. Top camp food +
    1. Ready mixed dinners based around rice/pasta/TVP & dried vegetables +
    2. Breakfast supplies such as Oatso simple, tea, musli +
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  2. Cave food +
    1. FlapJack +
    2. Chocolate bars +
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  3. Special supplies +
    1. Pataks curry paste (N.B.: paste, not sauce) +
    2. Yeast for the breadmaker +
    3. Two bottles of whiskey (reasonable stuff) gift for the toll road +
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Quantities

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Jenny calculated what food was used during Expo 2006 to aid future expos in knowing how much food to buy. Expo 2006 was probably somewhat atypical (very small expo, lots of new-to-expo people) but it does at least provide a start point. It also relies on the correct numbers of things having been written down - I think that they haven't for choc bars. +

Per Person per Top Camp Night: +

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  • 0.8 top camp meals +
  • 0.8 cup-a-soup +
  • 1 flavoured Oatso +
  • 0.5 plain Oatso +
  • 2.4 pieces of flapjack +
  • 0.9 instant noodles +
  • 20g of custard powder +
  • 30g of hot chocolate +
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On average people spent 44% of the nights at Top Camp (though this ranged from 24% to 58%). +

--Frank 20:12, 2 June 2008 (BST)=Some helpful facts= +

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  • There is a cash & carry in Salzburg. Hilde might lend you her customer card (needed to use the shop?). +
  • Austrian musli is sold in small, expensive packets in local shops. In the past we have cut cheap Tesco Value Musli with nicer Tesco own brand, but does it make sense to cart such bulky stuff across Europe? +
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it is pretty cheap in Hofer (the Austrian Aldi) - there is one in Bad Ischl. If you do get it in the UK, Asda Smart Price muesli seems better than Tesco Smart Price. JennyB 03:11, 27 June 2008 (BST) +
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  • Booker cash & carry (branches all over the UK, including Cambridge) will let you shop with them (thought they are not open to the public as an ordinary shop) but: +
    • You need a letter-head to prove you are a university club +
    • You need to fill out a form for a day permit at the office as you go in, then collect the food, then take it to the checkout, then pay at the pay window. +
    • Do one big trip - it's not a 'pop in' sort of place +
    • Some foods have more VAT than others +
    • They are very useful for certain top camp meal ingredients: +
      • bulk (multi-kilo) packs of dried onions +
      • big jars of dried mushrooms +
      • and most importantly: the essential tubs of dried cheese sauce, dried curry sauce and bolognaise sauce +
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    • Tesco/Lidl own-brand chocolate bars are better value than Booker Mars bars. Similarly, Tesco Value Oats for Flapjack are better value than Booker's Quaker oats. +
    • When buying drinking chocolate make sure it's the just add water Cadburys stuff. The add milk stuff is somewhat impratical at top camp, and it dosent work with dried milk.--Frank 20:12, 2 June 2008 (BST) +
    • Have a quick scan of the price per Kg in Tesco, some things arn't cheaper when VAT is added on, although they do come in bigger packets and it's convinent. +
    • You'll probably need transport! +
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  • Other useful food places include: +
    • Arjuna on Mill Road for Peanut butter in bug (2kg?) tubs +
    • Nasreen Dar on Histon Road for Pataks curry paste (not sauce!) +
    • Health food shops for TVP/soya mince (mince rather than chunks). The price varies widely, so shop around. +
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Flapjack

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Earl's flapjack recipe: +

In order of melting & mixing: +

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  • 500g Stork margarine +
  • 500g Billingtons dark brown molasses sugar +
  • 4 large swirled desert spoons Tate & Lyle golden syrup +
  • 1/2 tsp salt +
  • 250g Tesco value mixed dried fruit +
  • 1kg Tesco value oats +
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Pressed and smoothed into two A4 trays lined with baking parchment, and baked at 150 degrees Centigrade in a fan oven (175 if no fan?) until (approximately) just the edges and rasins turn darker (i.e. about the time it takes to mix the next batch...) +

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Either the 150 degrees is a typo, or our oven is a lot more pathetic than Earl's (which is definitely possible). The last two years we did the flapjack at about Gas mark 7, which is roughly 220 degrees C. Otherwise they took about twice as long. JennyB 03:08, 27 June 2008 (BST) +
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Some tips from an email from Earl..... +
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I used A4 trays (which originally contained sponsorship fudge from Thorntons). There used to be a lot in the Tackle Store - at least 8 were clean enough to use. I lined the trays with baking parchment - doesn't stick and keeps the trays easy to clean. +
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I had a big pan and did two trays at a time. Each tray (a bit over 1kg) was cut into 15 pieces, each nearly square. The trick is to cut them when the flapjack has cooled a little (so it doesn't fuse together again) but before it sets solid. When cold, I did not remove the parchment, just slid the whole A4 slab into a large freezer bag and folded & sellotaped the top shut. With a clean preparation area and if well sealed and kept dry, spare flapjack can keep over the winter. +
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With at least 8 trays, you can have one pair in the oven, one pair being prepared and two pairs cooling off. Get a system going and you can really churn it out - and soon run out of flat surfaces! I've done 48 trays in two or three days before now, but that's quite intense. +
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We found that dark brown sugar & golden syrup is almost identical to white sugar & a treacle/syrup mix. The later is quite a bit cheaper. JennyB 03:08, 27 June 2008 (BST) +
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If you don't have a huge saucepan a wok works well too. JennyB 03:08, 27 June 2008 (BST) +
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Food in the tackle store

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Mostly out of date, but probably ok :) +


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  • 1.5 tub cheese sauce powder +
  • 1kg mushroom soup powder +
  • 2.25 kg leek/mushroom soup powder +
  • 2.25 kg minestrone soup powder +
  • 14 * oatso packets +
  • 6 medium tubs salt +
  • 24 jars pesto (180g each) +
  • 12 cup a soup packets +
  • 1/2 tub tandori paste (1kg?) +
  • 400g curry powder +
  • 400g pepper +
  • 20 stock cubes +
  • 650g dried onions +
  • 1.5 kg lentils +
  • various sauce mixes +
  • 1 large tub hot choc (add water) +
  • 1 large tub hot choc (add milk) +
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Clothes

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Expo can be hot, cold, wet or dry, or (more usually) all of these in rapid succession and combination! +

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Essentials

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  • Sunshades, sun cream, sunhat +
  • Woolly hat, gloves. +
  • Raincoat, jumpers, shirts, shorts, trousers - remember that denim isn't good when wet. +
  • Underwear. +
  • Socks - lots of them! +
  • Boots - waterproof walking boots are better than non-waterproof ones. Make sure you get ones with good ankle support, for boulder-hopping. +
  • Trainers or other such footwear for wearing on the journey, into Bad Aussee or when you've had enough of clumping round in boots. +
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  • Waterproof over-trousers - highly recommended. +
  • Gaiters - keeps the snow and/or water out of your socks. +
  • Swimming trunks for swimming in the river at base camp, thus removing the need for showers.Edvin +
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Camping equipment

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Essentials

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  • Sleeping bag - make sure it's warm, 3 season at least; it's not uncommon for there to be a few inches of snow on the plateau. +
  • Something to sleep on at top camp. Last year most people either had a air bed or a camp bed (you can get reasonably light and cheap ones from argos). +
  • Bivvy bag +
  • Knife, fork, spoon, mug. +
  • Plate, bowl and/or mess tin - choose the mess tin(s): you can use them both to cook in and eat out of - less washing up! (Alternatively, get both, and leave the mess tins at the bivvy.) +
  • Head torch +
  • Batteries and/or charger for above +
  • Cigarette lighter +
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Extras

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  • Second (rather lower-spec) sleeping bag, for using at base camp. This means you don't have to carry your sleeping bag across the plateau every time. +
  • Second karrimat, for the same reason. +
  • Stove for top camp - ideally powered by petrol or paraffin. +
  • Penknife +
  • Base camp tent - more or less any waterproof one will do. (The club does have some, but not that many, and you are likely to end up sharing with lots of other smelly cavers!) +
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Caving equipment

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Essentials

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  • Oversuit, undersuit, wetsocks, kneepads, wellies, helmet, gloves. +
  • Shreddies - several pairs? +
  • Light - preferably long-duration LED or carbide, or you'll be going down the hill for recharging after every trip. If you use LED's, make sure you have enough batteries for 30-40 hours caving between recharging stops; and don't forget to bring your charger! (A Continental plug adapter for it might also be a good idea.) See Custom light construction for Nial's design. +
    • There is facility for lamp charging at top camp, realistically however your charger must be able to accept 12VDC from a car cigarette lighter socket. See ‘Bivi fettling’ in the wiki. +
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  • Backup light - probably a small electric (Princeton Tec LED ones are good, but expensive). +
  • SRT kit. Absolutely imperative that you gear tape up the bits. +
  • Emergency whistle. +
  • 13mm spanner (open ended) for bolting. Good idea to attach it to yourself in some suitably clever manner. +
    • A common way of attaching a bolting spanner is to use a snoopy loop (a big rubber band cut from an old car inner tube) around your upper arm with the spanner tied to it by a length of tat. When not in use the tat can be wound round the spanner and the whole lot secured beneath the snoopy loop. Personally I find this to be a pain, as the spanner has a tendency to snag on things and come free of the snoopy at inopportune moments. Duncan Collis 09:46, 24 May 2008 (BST) +
    • I prefer a half-length spanner attached to my wrist with a short loop of elastic. It lives inside the neoprene cuff of my oversuit when not in use. As well as being more compact, a shortened spanner makes it less likely that you will inadvertently over-tighten bolts. When de-rigging bolts which have been over-tightened, I put the spanner on the bolt, place my short cowstail krab over the handle of the spanner and give a quick bounce to loosen the bolt. Duncan Collis 09:46, 24 May 2008 (BST) +
    • Attaching a spanner to my arm annoys the hell out of me, I find it keeps slipping out of place and getting in the way. My current preferred method is attaching a spanner to a krab with a length of cord and then using the krab to attach the spanner to my harness when not using it, and to my chest tape when I am. Ollie s +
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  • Dangly bag, large enough for spare batteries, Flapjack, fudge, chocolate bars, tube of condensed milk, etc., Water bottle, Survival bag (this could live in a pocket) +
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Extras

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  • Thermal vest and leggings - could be essential. The caves are cold and there will be periods of waiting around and slow survey work. +
  • Balaclava - see above. +
  • Emergency knife (in case you are involved in a mid-rope rescue - but make sure you know what you're doing before you start slashing around!) +
  • Pulley. Indispensable if you ever have to haul people, and a great help even for tackle sacks. The Petzl *Fixe P05 is adequate and cheap, but needs to be used with an oval krab. +
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Excessive

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  • Ice gear - ice axe, crampons, ice boots, ice screws, etc - essential if you're tackling the icy areas of Eishöhle. +
  • Skyhooks - pair of, for clawing your way across blank walls when rigging, or just to help hold yourself in position when bolting - it saves a lot of energy, even when you're in a fairly comfortable bolting position anyway. +
  • Camera, packaged in a waterproof, highly visible, indestructible, tiny, zero-mass box... +
  • Bolting kit +
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Essentials

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  • Rucksack or pack frame. +
  • Compass. +
  • Water bottle. +
  • Toiletries - toothbrush, toothpaste, etc. +
  • Flannel & towel. +
  • Glasses/contact lenses & spares if you need them. +
  • Plastic bags - the secret to dry clothes is bags in bags, with spare bags to hand... +
  • Reserve supply of gear tape, unless you need to relabel anything. +
  • Money - There are Visa cash dispensers in Bad Aussee. +
  • Passport. +
  • EHIC (European health insurance card) +
  • Insurance (Austrian Alpine club?) +
  • Food for the journey out. +
  • PVC (TSA/Meander) oversuit owners: appropriate patching kit. +
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Extras

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  • Walking pole(s) for walking across the plateau. Useful for balance when stepping across big holes. Most people seem to just use one as two get in the way on the scrambly bits. +
  • Camera +
  • Cash for the journey (in Euros). +
  • Book to read at base camp when it rains. +
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Excessive

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  • GPS receiver. +
  • Handheld computer (e.g. Psion) - can be loaded with the Expo website for on-site information... +
  • Spare stuff - suppose you break (eek!) your jammer? There is a climbing shop in the next town. +
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From Frank's Expo Training Weekend

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On 3rd-4th May Frank and Martin went to an expedition training weekend in Wales run by Joel Corrigan (who does the Dachstein expeditions). Frank wrote a document with a list of useful kit that was suggested during the weekend. I've pasted it below as Frank doesn't currently have wiki access. Feel free to comment, as it's interesting to see how the Dachstein people kit themselves out slightly differently from us. Edvin +

Report on Expedition Training Weekend 3rd -4th May 08 South Wales Climbing Centre and OFD +Organised on by Joel Corrigan and others to give university clubs some advice about expeditions +Attendees; Frank Tully; Martin Jahnke +

Writing this report primarily because lots of useful stuff was discussed. +

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First aid

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Over the weekend I attended a 2-3 hour seminar on first aid which was useful, it always is. Covered all the basics. Much the same as Martins talk which he has done on expo a few times. +Something I found useful is a list of stuff that would be useful to carry in a first aid kit. +

Personal first aid kit could include: +

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  • Note If your not going deep you may require less, similarly within a team you do not need loads of duplicated kit. Although do not put it all into one bag because sods law says someone will drop the lot down a pitch. Most of the stuff fits into a small BDH, 8”x3” +
  • Triangular bandage, Useful for loads of stuff, +
  • PVC Electrical tape, Useful for everything, Don’t bother carrying surgical tape. +
  • Tube of Eyewash, Washing stuff out of wounds or eyes. +
  • Steri-Strips, Cheap from Boots useful for many small wounds +
  • Tampons, very absorbent +
  • Non-stick dressing, Less useful but if you have room it doesn’t weigh much. +
  • Crepe bandages Again less useful but doesn’t weigh much +
  • Small personal lightweight bivibag, Put over head and breathe through hole. +
  • Candles/nightlights, if used with bivibag will keep you warm, especially as we no longer use carbide. *Note they produce a small amount of carbon monoxide so you must not use them without breathing through a hole in your bivibag. +
  • Waterproof matches for candle. +
  • Paracetamol, a very effective pain killer that few are allergic to. Write down maximum dose on paper if you cannot remember it. +
  • Sachet of Imodium, shits on a pitch is unpleasant. +
  • Antacid or Ranatadine, weights nothing could make things much more pleasant. +
  • Emergency food, marzipan or similar, something you don’t like is better because then you wont eat it unless it’s an emergency. +
  • Bit of karimat in personal bag or wrapped around first aid kit, to sit on in emergency +
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  • Spare top, put on when waiting +
  • Balaclava +
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  • KISS shelter, sort of like a super light nylon tent where you are the poles, Makes long waits less unpleasant, weights next to nothing +
  • Brew kit, ultra light re-sealable gas type using smallest propane mix cylinders. +
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  • Sudocrem, arse cream for babies, great fro grot rot or harness pressure sores. Was told story about someone who repeatedly used the alcohol hand cleansing gel on harness pressure sore… very unpleasant don’t do it. +
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  • Their caves are similar in temperature to ours but the clothing they use is slightly different. Generally they wear more thinner layers and a ‘Gimp top’. +
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  • Oversuit, Possibly carried in bag when moving fast in the dry. Cordura or PVC +
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PVC is warmer but modern suits wear out quick, Cordura is similarly warm when new and is harder wearing. +

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  • Thermal top +
  • Spare thermal top +
  • Thermal salopettes, A favourite seems to be using ‘Imax’ fishing thermals (cheap), instead of a fury suit +
  • Biking lycra pants. +
  • Balaclava +
  • Snood type thing round neck +
  • Wetsocks and thin socks as liners +
  • Spare light (Tika or similar) Keep in first aid kit or round neck for when helmet goes down pitch etc. +
  • Spare batteries. It is not uncommon for something to go wrong when charging. +
  • Look at the Blizzard vest, Expensive but can really keep you warm in an emergency, +
  • Water of dilute juice, there may not be any water underground in Austria. +
  • Gimp top +
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Gimp top, +One of those super cheap nylon rain coats prized by church walking groups on trips to the lake district. Charity shops are the best place to find them, envy and adoration by other cavers for the most unplesant colours. +

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The gimp top was first used as a way of staying warm at the top of pitches however people soon started taking off their oversuit and using the gimp top when moving fast and ascending on dry pitches. +

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