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2018, 2009, 2008, 2001 , 2000, 1992, 1989,..2011? List here: <ahref="../../pubs.htm">pubs.htm</a> Previous years HTML logbooks are missing images extracted from scanned PDF copies of the logbooks. </dd>
<!--2020-05-10 psargent--> Look at <ahref="../../svxvalid.html">svxvalid.html</a> and resolve all the MISMATCH errors in *ref and .json 'survexfile' links
<summary>No authoritative list of where the expo paper records are!</summary>
<liclass="todo"><!--2020-04-03 psargent-->NO expo paperwork at all prior to 2008 in Tackle Store - where is it ?
<liclass="todo"><!--2020-04-03 psargent-->FIND where all the wallet binders are, and the logbooks.
<<liclass="todo"><!--2020-04-03 psargent--> BUY A4 plastic boxes for filing cabinet for logbooks getting damp there.
<liclass="todo">2017, 2018, 2019 wallet binders are in Philip S.'s house.
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<h3>Generic things to check that they are all OK</h3>
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<summary><!-- psargent 2020-05-08 -->All these svx files have commented-out *include statements. Are they all OK? SHould some of these files be deleted ?</summary>
<h3>List of jobs in :loser:/docs/Questions.txt</h3>
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<summary>Jan 2015, Dec 2013, Apr 2013. 2012</summary>
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Jan 2015
Arge dataset merge:
32/links.svx says
"*export 27_5 ; neu2013.0" in ARGE dataset
"*export 27_5 ; forever.5" in ours.
are both right?
There is also an "Anschluss Schnellzug" exported in our dataset, biut not theirs.
32/forever has p1-p22 in it, which is confusing given our 'p' convention for entrances.
outstanding issues:
named instead of numbered caves:
loutotihoele, blaubeer, gassischacht etc
*fix in each cave (but commented)
File headers outside surveys
All single-line exports
Named caves should go to
Dec 2013
p87 moved 46m between ARGE git dataset and cucc dataset. Check!
flusstunnel was missing from CUCC dataset. added.
lengths:
944 99680m CUCC: 59666m Arge: 40027m All fixed (50m difference in 40)
936 98786m CUCC: 59666m Arge: 39120m 142 missing, and Data missing in 40
880 97915m CUCC: 59175m Arge: 38741m
Arge in git repo 2012 39017m
Comparing arge per-cave length spreadsheet finds that 40 and 41 are
500 and 600m shorter in CUCC dataset than ARGE one. 41 is due to 142
being separated out in our dataset. 40 is due to more missing
flusstunnel data.
alice-umgehang (bypass) file from 1998 exists in RobertW dataset,
unconnected.
March/April 2013 stuff
BS17 data added.
There are two 233s. How shall we fix this? 'blaubeer' has no entrance
fix so not connected.
144 merged. should me2 be better called meander2.svx?
88 merged. sophy survey moved out of lerche1
merged all olly's date adittions back in merged set
merged olaf's gps recalcs into merged set
merged olly's changes in plateau area (2004_03 gps point replaced with
surface survey). other surafce survey connection to p107 fixed.
In 143/canyon.svx this line was added:
; anpassung zu vermessung
3_6_7 6_7 0 0 0
to 2010 survey. Was this in fact done in 2011 or 2012? when the
; Messteam: Andreas Scheurer, Schnitzel, Lothar Midden
; Zeichner: Lothar Midden
*date 2011.08.07
survey was done?
If so it should have relevant metadata, or infact just be put down at
the bottom with a note about where it refers to.
You've commented it out in latest dataset.
"; wozu? auskommentiert 2011-11-19 (thomas)"
where did 143/krone.svx go? Just superceded?
41 merged:
germanrt split out of e41 survey
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<liclass="todo">115: b9 duplicate survey - keep or remove?
CUCC surveys all moved into cucc subdir. Old SU conversions replaced
with newer ones. Akte surveys renamed. Stream split in surveys.
<liclass="todo">Juttahoehle: 'jutta.svx'. This is 1984 data from Franz Lindenmayr. Has
been under '40' since 2000. Now moved to Juttahoehle dir. Is it really
a separate cave?
<liclass="todo">We don't have entrance locations for: E08, E16, E18, Nachbarschacht
(in 233 dir), gruenstein. Does data exist?
<liclass="todo"> 233. Robert Seebacher's kataster spreadsheet has 233 = Betthupferle, and the length and depth match the svx file betthupferle.svx. I have thus renamed betthupferle.svx to 233/233.svx and copied the ent coords out of RS's file. But Blaubeerschacht also claims to be no. 233. I have put blaubeerschacht in but not linked it, as we don't have an entrance fix.
<liclass="todo"> Which points of Griesskogelschacht are entrances?
<liclass="todo"> File "neu.svx". What is the deal with this? Does the cave have a name or a number?
Example data file for 'new survey'?
<liclass="todo"> 41/entlink.svx <liclass="todo"> what does this do?
<liclass="todo"> The 1987 extension in 87. This doesn't match anything in the ARGE data,
whereas the original 1980 survey data looks like the ARGE data rotated
somewhat. I have left this unlinked. Perhaps best to ask Robert Winkler.
<liclass="todo"> 87 location fix and the 115 connection. The entrance fix for 87 in ARGE's file is over 50m different from the entrance fix from our surface survey. Bizarrely, CUCC's ent fix gives a smaller misclosure than ARGE's when you tie into 115.
<liclass="todo"> 113. ARGE's data and CUCC's data cover different bits of the cave and don't really match very well.
<liclass="todo"> 145. I have combined CUCC's data and ARGE's for the upper level resurvey. Any comments?
<liclass="todo"> 41-144 connection. Is the line <br>
*equate 144.144verb.58 41.entlueft.9_10<br>
correct? It appears in some of the ARGE index files and not others!
<liclass="todo">113 cucc replaced by ARGE
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2012:
why is e142 survey inside 41? 142 is separate cave. We have an
antrance location for it. Is it in fact used in any of the surveys?
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152 (bananahoehle) is connected to 113 (sonnetrahlhoehle). but p152=Q3
on stogersteig. No GPS or fixed point in ents file. Why not?
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136 cannot be processed on its own due to 136d not being connected.
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Need to get better info on errors with/without surface and GPS and old
and new. And decide wht to do about caves that can't be processed
alone. Put fixes into all cave files? How do we do updates then?
; continuing north from northhole, there is a series of freeclimbable avens going upward, the final survey station is at an awkward but not impassable squeeze. A handline would be very helpful in coming back down. There are also two connections to the frozen north, one is a tube at head height and the other is a small crawl at the start of the choss slope leading to the first aven climb.
heading south out of amalgamation you arrive at a large long hole in the floor. Partial completion of traverse over hole, plus exploratin of two small side leads. Left over small rock bridge ends in blind pot. Right hand small passage soon becomes too tight.
Trident is a four way junction- take the left fork to an alcove on the left with an obscure mud floored crawl. This is followed for 10m, improving to walking height. Follow past two bat skeletons then right turn to another bat; continue ~20m. A mud floored junction, turn right to the head of a traverse then pitch after 10m. Straight on would have led you to a noteworthy drippy pitch (Kathedral Chasm).
The traverse to pitch is the beginning of Honeycomb (50m of pitches). This swings to a window, following the rope to a ledge 10m above the floor. From here there's a narrow popcorn-lined climb to the head of a 7m pitch. At the bottom, climb the slope and follow obvious continuation (draught) to the head of 12m pitch. This pitch lands at the top of Hangman (p30), on account of the huge hanging boulder. (The near side of the boulder descends to the way on to the top of Mongol Rally, whereas the far side of the boulder is rigged to swing into a window half way down, Myopia. This is a passage heading north, traversing around a large pit, leading to another pitch which could be traversed around, ?a.)
At the bottom, follow the traverse round to a mudslope. At the top of the mudslope there is an awkward crawl for 10m, soon improves to walking. Follow this passage for 30m. There's a p5, follow the rope to the head of the Mongol Rally (p200).
Descending this rope lands into a roomy boulder chamber. Walking down the slope between boulders (distinguished path in the mud), leads to a blind pit and big aven. A right turn takes you to stooping height passage, for 50m to the head of Little Boy pitch (20m). There is a significant draught here; follow this. The camp is currently at the base of the pitch (August 2018).
Leave on the far side of the chamber, via a climb down and turn right, climbing down a boulder into pleasent walking passage, very straight and heading north. The floor is soft wet mud. After ~100m a stream trench enters on the right, followed round a corner into a drippy aven. Collect water here, scoop (mug) advisable.
A little further on from the right turn towards the water cllection, is a muddy ledge on the left hand side (1m from ground). Low crawl continues for 100m in straight line, over three puddles. Stal, but largely unnoteworthy. Ends at the Tsection into clean washed tall rift with sounds of water. Downhill leads to promising a lead, in clean washed rock, sketchy c6, requires rope, heads into rifty stuff. Uphill, includes split (meander) to scoopy loopy junction.
Scoop it until you loop it. Junction has small a lead on right hand wall, to sound of wet rift. Obvious way on cuts left, walking passage heading upwards until low crawl into breakdown chamber. A climb on the right links into Grand Prix.
</details<details></summary>Nothing to do with you traverse---- (ntdwyt)
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The passage towards the water collection is followed, beyond the turning for water. This leads to a pitch down (Indy Rally) or a traverse left. The traverse left goes ~10m, before muddy walking passage ~30m until it chokes.
</details<details></summary>Little boy beneath the boulders</summary>
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A short 2m climb through a boulder choke leads to break down chamber directly below grand prix. Qmc at station 8, p10, probably drops level with station 6 (lbbeneaththeboulders).
</details<details></summary>Little boy bolt climbs</summary>
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From the grand prix, left from little boy beneath the boulders is a large hanging boulder. Traverse along massive choked boulder on left hand side of grand prix. Not derigged. Climbs up steep mud slope into rift that shortly forks (station 4). P15 qmc down from here, leads probably to lbbeneaththeboulders. Sketchy rift climb qmc from here, dispute about seeing a human sized passage beyond here.
