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<h1>CUCC Expo Logbook 2018</h1>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-10a">2018-07-10</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Tom Crossley</u>, Dickon Morris</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Balkonhoehle/264 - 1<sup>st</sup> rig</div>
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2018-08-04 12:17:54 +01:00
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Rigged entrance pitch as far as second deviation but found deviation tat (meant to be in-situe)
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had been removed along with hanger. Dickon spent 10+ minutes swinging to find bolt but it could not be found.
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Returned to surface leaving rope and rigging gear at last rigged Y-hang.
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 4 hours</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-10a">2018-07-10</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Jon Arne Toft</u>, Anthony Day</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Tunnocks - 1<sup>st</sup> rig</div>
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2018-08-04 12:17:54 +01:00
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Rigged Tunnocks to start of Caramel Catharsis (or thereabouts). In the words of
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Anthony: "Nothing to report, just tell everyone how great it was!"
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2018-07-17 14:01:10 +01:00
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 5 hours</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-11a">2018-07-11</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka Lawson</u>, Tom Crossley, Mark Shinwell</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Prospecting past Fisch Gesicht, beyond the ski pole line</div>
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2018-08-04 12:17:54 +01:00
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After the first spit had been set we realised that we'd forgotten the bolts, doh, so the tags for
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these caves have been hammered into cracks and only cucc-2018-ms01 has a hole drilled.
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<b>cucc-2018-ms01</b><br />
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Becka's phone GPS 33+ 410730 5274320 Alt 1698m Accuracy 4m<br />
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Description: Rubble slope with snow plug down to a jammed boulder. Wriggle down next to it to a 45°
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ramp down. This levels off to a tight squeeze down to a small chamber. Around 30m long with no draft.<br />
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Sketch: see notes and photo on Becka's phone at 09:30 on 13/7/18<br />
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Notes: tag hammered into crack near to placed spit<br />
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Photo: Becka's phone at 14:00<br />
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<b>cucc-2018-ms02 Blitz Baum Schacht (Lightening Tree Shaft)</b><br />
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Becka's phone GPS 33+ 410635 5283186 Alt 1724m Accuracy 4m (see also Mark's GPS)<br />
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Description: Around 30m NNE (say 020) from distinctive, large, dead tree struck by lightning. A
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30m+ shaft, rocks rattle for several seconds. Hole ~5m long x 1m wide.<br />
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Notes: tag hammered into crack on flat area on long side<br />
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Photo: Becka's phone and Mark's phone at 14:56
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<b>cucc-2018-ms03 Zufall Hoehle (Coincidence Cave)</b><br />
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Becka's phone GPS 33+ 410376 5283124 Alt 1714m Accuracy 3m (see also Mark's GPS)<br />
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2018-08-04 12:17:54 +01:00
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Description: Squeeze through boulders then drop down c2 and along a tall, narrow rift for ~10m to
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head of ~7m pitch. Weak draft out. This was re-found by Dickon and Jon later the same day and they
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said there was also a phreatic tube visible from the pitch head. <br />
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Notes: tag hammered into above entrance boulders <br />
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Photo: Becka's phone and Mark's phone at 16:10
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<b>cucc-2018-ms04 </b><br />
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Marks's phone GPS 00409613 5282951 Alt 1680m Accuracy 3m<br />
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Description: 10m+ shaft, approx 2m long x 0.5m wide, in a line of similar shafts<br />
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Notes: tag hammered into crack <br />
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Photo: Mark's phone at 17:00
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<!-- <div class="timeug">T/U: 4 hours</div> -->
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2018-07-17 14:01:10 +01:00
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-12a">2018-07-12</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Tom Crossley</u>, Chris Densham</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Tunnocksschacht/258 - String Theory to Procrastination Rig</div>
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<p>
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2018-08-04 12:17:54 +01:00
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In via usual route to head of String Theory. Found Three ropes (~35m, ~45m, ~60m). Used ~45m and ~35m to
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rig String Theory (Crossley Rigging). Found ~90m left at head of Procrastination. Used ~20m rope (brought in
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from top camp) to rig traverse and ~90m to rig pitch of Procrastination. (Densham rigging).
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<p>
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Left tub of flapjacks, snickers, 4 curries with bothy bag at base of Procrastination. Also left 90m 9mm
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rope for Kraken with slings, snap gates, hangers and maillons.
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<p>
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Returned to Top Camp ~5 mins before callout - blame my (Crossley's) slow rigging of String Theory. Brought ~60m rope out of cave.
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 10 hours</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-12a">2018-07-12</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Jon Arne Toft</u>, Dickon Morris</div>
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2018-07-19 09:33:24 +01:00
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<div class="triptitle">Prospecting Kleine Wildkogel</div>
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<p>Prospected along side of Kleine Wildkogel along South edge heading West. Little but choked
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shafts for most of the day, but promising end of the day with two good leads. Conveniently, another team
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claimed to have discovered one of the better finds 2 hours before we found it. This is heavily disputed and questionable.
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<p><b>CUCC 2018 DM01 +</b><br />
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Jon's phone DD 47.69781N 13.81647E<br />
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4m climb to cobble floor. Crawl under arch leads to 2m deep hading rift. Choked.</p>
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<p><b>CUCC 2018 DM02 -</b><br />
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Jon's phone DD 47.69756N 13.81331E<br />
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8m climb in narrow shaft. 8m climb in wide rift to snow plug. Squeeze past snow plug horizontally
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10m leading to small chamber w ice formations. Small window with cobble floor leading to undescended 10m pitch. Rocks rattle at bottom. </p>
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<p><b>CUCC2018 DM03 +</b><br />
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Jon's phone DD 47.69813N 13.80967E<br />
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Large open shaft leads to snow plug, undescended. 30m? Continuation unknown.</p>
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<p><b>CUCC2018 DM04 -</b><br />
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Jon's phone DD 47.69714N 13.80618E<br />
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Large undescended open shaft. 25m? Continuation unknown, potential passage on.</p>
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<p><b>CUCC2018 DM05 +</b><br />
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Jon's phone DD 47.69665N 13.80597E<br />
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Large open shaft. 10m. Small rift at bottom leads on another inspected 10m drop. Almost certainly chokes.</p>
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<p><b>CUCC2018 DM06 -</b><br />
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<b>*THIS CAVE IS A DUPLICATE OF CUCC2018 MS03, which was apparently explored by Becka 2 hrs earlier (or so she says)*</b><br />
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Jon's phone DD 47.69514N 13.80591E<br />
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Climb down boulder tickle 5m leads to 2m climb. Rift continues to 4m pitch into chamber, unpushed.
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Small passage in roof above pitch ledge to left continues 30m through narrow crawl to 4-way intersection. Unexplored further.</p>
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<p><b>CUCC2018 DM07 -</b><br />
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Jon's phone DD 47.69429N 13.80534E<br />
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Large open shaft. In, down over snow plug 30m. 2 consecutive pitches. First 5m, 2nd unknown.</p>
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2018-07-17 14:01:10 +01:00
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-13a">2018-07-13</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Jon Arne Toft</u>, Dickon Morris</div>
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<div class="triptitle">CUCC2018 DM07 (Homecoming Hole) - First push</div>
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2018-07-17 14:01:10 +01:00
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<p>Headed off to drop DM07 followed by DM06. Started with DM07 as the closer of the two.
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First pitch/handline 5m down from surface to large hole in ground.
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Into hole in wall, 1m down and 2m traverse over a drop of 3m leads to top of
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snow plug that can be followed down 8m to passage. Crawl for 10m leads to
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first pitch, 5m, closely followed by longer pitch (10m?) into a rather large chamber.
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The way leading back against the direction of progress quickly chokes.
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Way on leads to large boulder. A hole on the left side yields a safe continuation
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(the rope also leads this way) on to the next pitch of another 10m into yet another chamber.
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From here, an impressive pitch was observed(8m diameter) which a 27m rope was insufficient to
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descend. Probably 40m deep. Strong draft, predicted by the majority of
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CUCC to be larger than Tunnocks <i>[citation needed]</i>.</p>
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<p>Surveyed out of cave, tag left on small shelf right under surface level. Lack of pencils led to
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ditching of DM06, though this is an interesting cave. DM06 still unexplored.</p>
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<p>Jon sprained ankle before cave entrance, the effects of which showed up shortly after arrival to
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top camp, and which subsided by the next day. Strange stuff which unfortunately led to me being
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unable to push further the next day. :-(</p>
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2018-07-13 22:41:13 +01:00
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 3 hours</div>
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2018-07-14 12:38:36 +01:00
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2018-07-17 14:01:10 +01:00
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-13b">2018-07-13</div>
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2018-07-14 12:38:36 +01:00
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">Surface recce for Futility series back door</div>
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<p>Cycled and walked to N. end of Altaussee lake to try to look at the Weisse Wand area of likely location of hole
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from the other side of the valley (Trisselwand side). Failed to get far enough: only 1km away but 500m too low and
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surrounded by 600m cliffs.
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2018-07-17 13:34:48 +01:00
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<p>IN FUTURE go to this area via SOUTHERN SIDE of the lake as the N. side has a long section where
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bicycles are forbidden. MAPS DON'T SHOW THIS.
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<p>The N. end of the lake has two restaurants and there is road access via the S. side; and then the track
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towards the Appelhaus is drivable (and certainly mountain-bikeable) for quite a way. Return trip planned early in the
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morning on another day.
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<p>On return, looked for the site of 1982 base camp. Probably at the Madlemeir landing station for
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the tourist boat. Photos taken [and posted to Facebook Expo2018 page].
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<p>Whole trip (and a glass of most) 4 hours.
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 0 hours</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-14b">2018-07-14</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Becka Lawson</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">Rigging Guide - Tunnock 258 - Hydra -
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- Snake Charmer - Snake Bite - Lower Snake Bite </div>
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Snakebite lands in large rift passage with waterfall entering from LHS. Water drains
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down to Lower Snakebite (this starts with an awkward free climb next to water; themore
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obvious passage on L of this
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(as you face downstream) is main Snakebite passage (dry) that connects to Song of the Earth.
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[many detailed diagrams - see scanned imageswhen done]
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Lower Snakebite - Pitch series starts 20m beyond the awkward free climb below Snakebite
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pitch following water down free climbs.
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<div class="timeug">T/U: 0 hours</div>
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-14a">2018-07-14</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">Surface walk Stoger Weg/115 (Schnellzughöhle)</div>
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Found the entrance* - but it is 60m away from where the GPS says it should be.
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Attempted to get to the location the GPS says it is but it's impenetrable bunde.
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Stashed in 115 ent: 1 2-man tent, 2 karrimats, 1 litre water (a bit brown -
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filled in gents loo at berg restaurant), small bag muesli.
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I rigged a smallwater collection poly sheet which may get 2-3 litres if we're lucky.
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The walk along the Stoger Weg (201) from the turnoff to the col & top camp is much more
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rugged than the part closer to the carpark: many granny-stoppers.
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<p>
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Photos taken from turn-off point [from Stoger Weg]: "a barely discernable trod" to cave.
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This "trod" is much more overgrown thanit was in 1982.
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*POSTSCRIPT - on 17th July found a 1981 photo of the entrance which shows that the entrance
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I found wasn't the main entrance.
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I had found the upper (smaller) entrance CUCC-PS01-2018 at N 47.66743 E 013.80945 alt. 1547m
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(WGS84 Garmin Venture Cx)
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-13b">2018-07-13</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Todd Rye</u>, Dickon Morris</div>
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<div class="triptitle">2nd push in Heimkommen höhle</div>
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<p>Carried 2x 45m ropes and a 80m rope over to Heimkommen. Dickon rerigged the pitch then ran out of rope on,
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now named Radagast.
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<p>Pushed through a small meander to an up pitch (3m).
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From there is was navigating a large meander,
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dropping a pitch (5m) and traversing through some boulders. Another pitch (10m)
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before a climb up and a traverse along the top of Wallace (40m)
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which landed perfectly on a boulderabove an estimated 50m-100m drop, named Grommit.
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<p>
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Out of rope so we surveyed out.
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-18a">2018-07-13</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Chris Densham</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">Steinbrucken Tarp Topo</div>
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[DIAGRAM of tarp rigging in bivvy]
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-11b">2018-07-11</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Anthony Day</u>, Chris, Frank, Todd</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Prospecting/visiting known holes near Organhöhle</div>
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Hacked out on the cairned path to Organhöhle to look at some holes
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found on a 2012 prospecting trip, and see whatever we could find:
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<ul>
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<li><b>2012-dd-06</b> ("Big-D-Höhle") - apparently surveyed last year,
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but not in the dataset. Red survey stations visible but unknown how far it has been explored.
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<li><b>2012-dd-08</b> ("Shark tooth cave", due to popcorn formations that look vaguely likesharks' teeth).
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A choked 5m round phreatic tube reported as carrying some draught in 2012. Poked around
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in two holes on the left (which connect) and another at the end without finding any way
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on. Grade 2 survey completed.
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<li><b>2012-dd-10</b> - refound and tagged. Worth descending but especially promising.
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<li><b>2018-ad-01</b> - a ~15m shaft just around corner fom 2012-dd-10 photo'd and tagged; not especially promising.
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<li><b>2012-dd-02</b> - Tagged on our way home.Reported as draughting/windy in 2012, but doesn't look amazing.
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2018-08-04 18:53:52 +01:00
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-15a">2018-07-15</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Anthony Day</u>, Becka</div>
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<div class="triptitle">Tunnock's Rig</div>
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<p>
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The ambitious plan was to rig Tunnocks as far as camp.
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This was never on after I misread the log entry from last year and believed the rope for
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Widow Trankey's was in the cave - it wasn't so we were a rope light.
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The Number of the Beast rope went down the wrong hole when I threw it down the pitch and got stuck, neccessitating much
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faffage to retrieve. The rope had also been cut and retied* necessitating a knot pass
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- this rope should be replaced by the 45m rope currently at the top of String Theory.
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In the end made it to the top of Inferno. Dumped camp stuff (3x pits + stove)
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and headed out.
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[ * Becka: using an EDK (European Death Knot) with 8cm ends - who left it like this last year?! ]
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2018-08-04 12:17:54 +01:00
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2018-07-19 09:33:24 +01:00
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-18b">2018-07-18</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div>
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2018-07-19 11:26:50 +01:00
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<div class="triptitle">Solo walking in area of 115 entrances [and CUCC-PS01-2018]</div>
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<p>11:00-18:00 up the hill.
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2018-08-04 12:17:54 +01:00
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<p>Found p115x the main "train tunnel" hole. Did a 200+ averaging GPS reading on p115x, Windloch, and cave 88
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on the Stoger Weg.
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2018-07-19 11:26:50 +01:00
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<p>Carried safety gear from the entrance I found 4 days ago and stashed inside:
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<li>3l water in 3x 2l bottles
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<li>2 karrimats
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<li>1 small bag muesli
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<li>12-man tent (inc. poles,pegs etc. [there is room to pitch this inside the entrance easily]
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I also rigged a 2sq.m. poly sheet and black foldable bucket to collect water.
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<p>It took 2 trips and lots of bunde bashing to carry the stuff as I only had a small daysack.
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<p>Route to p115x in old logbooks has been destroyed by 35y of pine growth.
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<p>The new route is:
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<p style="margin-left: 50px;">
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go along Stoger Weg past Windloch (32) and further past the next cave (marked 88 in faded red paint) in LHS of path.
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Go [10m] further
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from there along Stoger Weg and leave path descending limestone karren down to right.
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Proceed back along foot of karren slope and push aside
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3-4 branches of bunde to reach a "path".<br><br>
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Follow along this until you can descend steeply to the left (a few more branches of bunde) to steep "rockery" scramble
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bank. Make your way with care down this and you should be able to see a truncated pine tree [4m high] on the
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other side of a small gully. (When seen from the other side, this pine tree has branches in the shape of a figure "4".)
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Descend and traverse round
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to the right and climb up to this pine tree across the gully.<br><br>
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Now follow "path" down and to the right across 2 areas of soil/grass/loose stones to eventually reach a big pine tree
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with a bend in the trunk at ground
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level and a small cairn on the bend in the trunk. Continue down right through bunde with a little climb until you can
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see a large dead twisted tree root across a gully. Descend and get to this via via lush grass and flowers on steep slope and loose soil.
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<br><br>
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At the twisted dead tree root there is an obvious route leading to the right. At this point you are only 13m from p115x but
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2018-08-04 12:17:54 +01:00
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you can't see it as it faces S. and you are approaching from the N. 10m on you pass a large anthill and then 3m further
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and you're there.<br><br>
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You may see a water collection poly sheet a lot earlier but use this route to get to it. (I did it 3x today and lots of
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other routes are worse.)
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Oh yes, on first visit to <b>CUCC-PS01-2018</b> this morning I went in: climbing down a 30 degree straight tunnel.
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Roof is solid rock and floor is blocks
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and rocks [and relic vadose features]. I counted 1m steps coming out and it's >14m long.
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Continues deeper but I was in t-shirt and shorts. Slight cold outwards draft.
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[Photos and GPS tracks and locations recorded.]
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2018-08-04 18:53:52 +01:00
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-29a">2018-07-29</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">Surface prospecting along "lookfutile.svx" route</div>
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<p>Using Garmin eTrex Venture Cx GPS (WGS84)
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<p>"lookfutile.svx" was surveyed by Chas and Planc in 1983 following the discovery of the futility series in 1982.
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<p>This entry includes recent emails which don't otherwise have a good place to record.
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<p>[Discovered a photo on the website of <a href="/piclinks/ssvypl.htm">Planc doing this survey</a>.]
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<p>Much bunde going directly down from the p115x entrance. <u>Don't do that</u>,go back along the route to
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Stoger Weg and go down gully at the tree with the small cairn on it (see 115 route 18th July 2018).
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<p>Generally failed to find lookfutile.svx waypoints (not even the last one with all the red paint). Something
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odd with GPS mismatch - needs nerding to resolve.
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<p>Found ent. * (doesn't go) obvious above grassy slope. It is up a 2m climb in a cliff.
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This is wpt A11 in gpslog: N 47.66629 E013.81128 alt.1407m.
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This was looked at by Chas & Planc in 1983 and doesn't go:
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"big phreatic entrance further east up the valley" from
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<a href="http://expo.survex.com/years/1983/log.htm">the 1983 logbook</a> entry 1983-07-27.
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<p>Many photos of this area in photo archive 2018/PhilipSargent.
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<p>Survey station lookfutile.23 is apparently in open air due east of cliff top (which extends N-S).
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<p>Water collection system at 115works well: decanted 3.5 litres of rainwater into bottles. About 6 litres
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now stashed in 115, plus a karrimat and one-man does of flapjack and another dose ofmuesli.; also large
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orange plastic survival bag.
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All other gear removed.
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<p>Walked back to Löser Hutte where I managed to catch the sunset drinking crowd and got a
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lift back to Staudnwirt at ~21:00. Lots of big open cliffs, no bunde, grass and camping areas.
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<p>Recent emails from very old lags on this:
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<pre style="font-size:small">
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On 18 July 2018 at 19:46, Charles Butcher wrote:
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Philip
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Thank you. I’m sorry you had trouble finding it. Even the traditional route to the main entrance is quite a slog,
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and if you don’t remember it – I certainly couldn’t – you could be in for a real epic. As you probably found.
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I hope the server repairs went well.
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Thanks also for the GPS data in your previous message, and to Andy and everyone else who has worked to
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preserve this stuff. I’m astonished that we still have good records of all those muddy survey pages
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from so long ago. And to see it all connect with Google mapping is really impressive.
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Safe trip home
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Chas
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, 10:31 Andy Waddington, wrote:
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Sometime before sending, Philip Sargent typed (and on Sunday 2018-07-01 at 08:46:16 sent):
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> Any comments on the 115 entrances?
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I really can't remember any of this without reading
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the stuff on the website - but that stuff is available to
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everyone (unreliable memory is exactly why this stuff
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was all put there - but in the early days, which would
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cover the 115 period, we naively thought we would
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remember everything, that the same people would be
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going back, and that we didn't need to write everything
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down - though actual surveys were properly recorded).
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Where survey data was corrected for fridge north, that
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should be recorded in the survey notes. That was such
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a bizarre correction that I don't think it would ever have
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been done without explaining it. The Futility series survey
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had two compasses, Suunto 422903 and Chas' Silva 15T.
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Had there been a major discrepancy between them, I
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think they would have noticed. The bearings seem to
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be the same in the Survex dataset as in the notebook.
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ie. the first leg is 8.08 m on 320 at -11.5. That's from the
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dataset extracted from CVS in 2001 (which is the oldest
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I can find in a quick search here). I don't think corrections
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to fridge north would have been made more recently
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than that... 075 to Trisselberg cross is the same as the
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notes, and even if the 115 entrance wasn't located
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precisely, that ought to be enough to show if the error
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was more than the odd degree or two.
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Not sure if the scans of this notebook are on the site.
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Notes are a bit muddy, with no passage walls recorded.
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Did Arge not resurvey any of this ?
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Andy
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Philip Sargent (Gmail)
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to Charles, andrew, mary5waddington
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Chas,
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[and Mary, please pass on to Andy as I don’t think any email works for him these days],
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Update, as promised.
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Through the miracle that is survex, and the diligent curation of data* over decades by
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Wadders and Wookey, I have recovered the survey points from your surface walk with Pete
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on 27 July 1983 and attach as a GPX file in modern WGS84 coordinates. You can plot this
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on top of a GoogleMaps photo using http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input
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(or select “OSM (TF Landscape)” in the drop-down on the map to see contours).
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I will be re-tracing this slog and looking for more entrances in a week or so.
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A bit lower than you went looks promising from the geology.
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I also attach the Futility series surveyed by us on 26 July 1983 (futility.svx)
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and as resurveyed by Germans on 8th August 1999 (nutzlos.svx). But this is less
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useful as GPX on Google maps as it is inside the hill of course and you would need
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to use Survex/Aven itself to see it. They also seemed to have found another entrance
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in 2000 which drops eventually into the phreatic stuff which they called the
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Nebukad series (Nebukadnezar) and is now p115b (ent.) in the survey data.
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I hope a find a cold draft coming out of rocks at least, even if I can’t dig it out.
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Philip
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* http://expo.survex.com/repositories/home/expo/loser/shortlog/b6c8d59090c3 is an online
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look at the version control system used for cave data on Loser these days.
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From: Philip Sargent (Gmail)
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Sent: 21 June 2018 17:28
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To: 'Charles Butcher'
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Cc: andrew@pennine; 'Wookey'
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Subject: RE: Aha - futility series entrance search...
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Chas,
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Unbelievably, that surface survey you and Pete did (“lookfutile”) is a standard part of the SMK dataset.
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I can see that your final survey position was 11.7m above the drafting hole in Futility
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(contrary to Andy’s notes in the file below), and 157m away horizontally. Maybe some
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fridge-north corrections have been done since then.
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You were also spot-on the line where the bedding plane of 115 intersects the hillside.
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So going downhill from there, maintaining a heading of 118 degrees (if possible) would
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track further down that bedding plane. As I remember, the survey legs may have been
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ascending, but the passage roof was coming down to the sandy floor. So the draft
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connection (“Utility Entrance” ?) would be lower down.
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From: Charles Butcher
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Sent: 16 June 2018 23:11
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To: Philip Sargent
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Cc: andrew@pennine
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Subject: Re: Aha - futility series entrance search...
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Thanks Philip. When you told me about your plan the other day it brought back memories of
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thrashing around on the hillside, but I couldn’t remember what we were looking for.
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I do remember that it was harder work than being underground. I suppose a Laplander pocket saw
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would be frowned on in the Naturschutzgebiet, but useful all the same.
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I assume those coordinates are relative to the entrance, or to whatever else we used as a
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main datum. So if you have an accurate GPS fix for that datum, wouldn't it be quite easy
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to locate the hole Pete and I made? Not that that is likely to be much use, since it’s
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probably the one place we know there isn’t an entrance…
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Anyway, good luck and keep us posted!
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Best
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Chas
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You wrote:
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stumbled on this:
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http://expo.survex.com /years/1983/log.htm
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1983-07-27 | Surface survey and Prospecting below 115. | Chas, Pete
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The aim was to find the end of the Futility Series popping out of the hillside below 115.
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We surface surveyed down to a permanent station, marked with bolt hole and lots of red paint: P1983/1.
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This was almost directly below 115 and on the edge of the big trees.
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It was at E77.2, N-237.3, H -195.8, whereas the end of the Futility Series was at G30: E 139.7, N -54.2, H-187.8.
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So we were (!) at the right place, but the cave end was 180m into the hillside.
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We had a good look round but didn't find any signs of caves there.
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So we looked at a big phreatic entrance further east (up the valley) and ~50m higher.
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This was looked at in 1982, but a bit of proddling released lots of boulders + we were able to
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follow up a narrowing bedding plane at ~60°, for 10m until it got too loose/small.
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Very difficult descent on scree to the end of the Altausseer See + then the Schniderwirt for Weizen Bier.
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Pete
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and Wookey thinks some Germans had a look around there too in later years
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Unfortunately we use WGS84 GPS lat./long. these days so I’m not sure I’ll be able to find this
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35-year old red paint.
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I’m hoping to use better geology and modern surveying to find where the bedding plane intersects
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the surface this year. I’m going out for 4-5 weeks.
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Philip
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-28a">2018-07-28</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">At basecamp - network nerding</div>
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<p>
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Tested Wookey's TP-link 200 Mbps HomePlug devices between potato hut & mains socket above
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the washing machine in the gents' toilet at the Gasthof. It works:
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the 2nd green light lights up indicating communications OK.
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<p>Previously had tested between potato hut mains and socket in potato hut loft - also worked.
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<p>To do: repeat test with a laptop at each end (needs ethernet socket in laptop)
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to test actual useable bandwidth.
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-07-30a">2018-07-30</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Paul Fox</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">At basecamp - expo laptop</div>
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<p>mq extension enabled on mercurial by Paul Fox.
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2018-08-01 14:10:04 +01:00
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<div class="tripdate" id="t2018-08-01a">2018-08-01</div>
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div>
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2018-08-01 21:47:57 +01:00
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<div class="triptitle">Solo walking in Stumern Alm area</div>
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2018-08-01 14:10:04 +01:00
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Attempt to reach Futility Series mythical potential entrance from below.
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Cycled to N.end of Altaussee lake (S.route). This took 1 hour from base camp.
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Saw entrance in hillside 30m higher and about 1km on Loser side which might be a wet-weather resurgence.
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<p>
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Track up is very cyclable to a (locked)hut [Stumern Alm, 813m] where it stops & there is a steeply ascending
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rough path (signposted to Appelhaus) up the Trisselwand side of the valley. I parked bike.
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<p>
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I decided to go directly up the Loser side: "Oh Yes", I thought, "10-15 minutes
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and I'll be past those trees and into the clear grass/rock/scree area". 1 hour later
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I was in a rock shelter [wpt C05 in gpslog N 47.660271646 E013.804951357 942m],
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still in the trees, and I could now see that the track I should have been on was much higher,
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and I also had no easy safe way on up this side of the valley. The dry rock shelter is completely
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hidden by trees until you are close to it.
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<p>
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The geology is very promising though - at the hut the big face [Pfenningofen] is well-bedded with a couple of useful-looking faults.
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<p>
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I had got to within 600m horizontally of where I wanted to be to look for entrance, but also 600m too low.
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<p>
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Aborted cycle ride home in Bad Aussee for emergency ice cream.
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<p>
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Philip
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<p>
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PS Nettles! Flies !! aarghhh !!!
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PPS The better way to do this approach would be to take a jeep up the correct track (the one that says "No Bicycles")
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all the way to the road head at Oberwasser Alm at 1353m, and then traverse round to the right area
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above the tree line but below the bunde line.
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Departed base camp 06:35, returned 13:05
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<div class="trippeople"><u>Philip Sargent</u></div>
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<div class="triptitle">"Lookfutile3"</div>
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<p>Walking and scrambling on the hillside/cliff below the main entrance to 115 (Schnellzughöhle)
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to try to find an entrance to the Futily Series (again).
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<p>Up at 6am with Luke and Rachel, hitched back to Bad Aussee at the end of the day and Wookey
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collected me from there.
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<p>On the mountain I finally got tot he right area where it was possible
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to explore and make progress: several limestone cliffs and benches - all below bunde level - with
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dappled shade of beeches and pine trees, lots of artfully arranged rocks & short grass & wild flowers.
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<p>Found several dripping slots but no sensible entrances in this area. I don't trust the altitudes (and sometimes the positions) from my GPS
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in this area - which on average is tipped 30 degrees from the vertical - i.e. it's really all just a broken cliff.
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Several game and hunters' tracks. Lots of rillen karren clambering.
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<p>After climbing up a little cliff - easy enough but something I didn't fancy reversing - I found myself in tick bunde.
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After a bit I tried going underneath the bunde and found myself looking at a tiny entrance which
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was giving a slight draft [N 47.66729 E013.80959 alt.1526m using my Garmin eTrex Venture Cx].
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It is almost possible to get into it but it is only
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15m east of cucc-ps01-2018. NB it's not the choked pit, it's 5m east of the
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choked pit, over the edge of a bunde-bedecked ledge.
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<p>I went into cucc-ps01-2018 for 6 minutes to get 20m in (it descends due west (270 M) at 30 degrees from the horizontal)
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vadose relic with lots of boulders. I got to a big rock I couldn't quite be sure of climbing back up.
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Needs surveying and tagging.
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<p>Removed water-collection poly-sheet from 115 ent. Now only has 9 litres of water and some flapjack & museli in it.
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