<p>For a totally new cave you will be using a temporary number such as 2017-CUCC-24 or 2018-dm-07, not an Austrian official-issued Kataster number. But you may have been surveying a new passage in an established cave in which case you will need to find out if it has recently been issued with a Kataster number.
<p>The list in the "<ahref="/caves">Caves</a>" page (the menu item "Caves" in the vertical menu in the top-left of the page you are reading now)
shows all the caves which have been already "created" within the online system. You can see a slightly-more updated list in the
<ahref="../../noinfo/cave-number-index">Cave Number Index</a> which includes caves which are in the process of being registered but may not have been "created" using either of the two methods described here.
<ahref="/newcave/">New Cave</a><br/> just above where it also says "Cave Number Index - kept updated".<br/> But don't click on it yet, first we will edit an old cave.
<li>Now you are looking at the description of the cave. Take a moment to look at the URL in the title bar of your browser: the URL is <var>/1623/172.htm</var>. Remember this, we will come back to it.
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Now you can see a new option saying
<ahref="1623-4/edit/">"Edit this cave"</a> at the bottom of the top left-hand menu.
It has a little icon of a pen next to it. But don't click on it yet.</li>
<li>First, scroll down the page until you see the heading "Entrances". This cave has only one entrance but other caves may have more. You can see that the information about the entrance, including the all-important photograph, is indented slightly to indicate that this is Entrance information, not Cave information.
<li>Just under the heading "Entrances" there is a link "Edit". This will take you to the form for editing entrances, not the form for editing caves.
<li>Now go the left-hand menu and look for the option "Edit this cave"
Scroll down the page - it is a long form - and look at the "URL" field.
This is the critical field to get right when you create your own cave using the New Cave form. The URL is where your cave will be published by the system, so if you put something strange here, no one will be able to find it. This field is where you tell the system where you want the cave description to be published.
<br>Some of the fields are expandable (you can drag the bottom-right corner to make the box bigger).
<li>Take a note of the URL: <var>/1623/171/171.htm</var>. Aha. Not quite the same is it.
<li>Now go the left-hand menu and click on "Edit this cave"
<li>You can see that both entrances are listed at the bottom of the form, and that the URL field matches the one you saw for the cave description: <var>/1623/171/171.htm</var>.
<li>The reason the URL has a different structure is that cave 171 has a lot of photographs associated with it (unlike 172), and these photos have been put in a separate folder /171/ .
<li>This cave also has a correct link to a survex file under the heading "Survex File"
Click on <ahref="/survexfile/caves-1623/171/171.svx">This survex file</a> and you can see the names and details of the survey done in 2016 by Jenny and Olly.
Click on '3d download' in the cave description page and you will open the centreline in 3d on your computer - if you have survex installed (which you should do: Olly wrote it and he will be upset if you don't).
