expoweb/noinfo/katasterable-or-not

Note that this lot is based on the prospecting guide and website, and is probably way out of date already

Can't get Austrian number without more work:

A1         missing, unsurveyed, untagged
B1         missing, unsurveyed, untagged
B2         missing, unsurveyed, untagged
B3         missing, unsurveyed, untagged - may be findable starting from B4
B4         needs survey and entrance photo
B5         missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but almost certainly identical with a kataster-numbered cave
B6         missing, probably numbered in invisible green paint. 8m blind. Too small to go in kataster.
B10        missing, occasional sightings ? probably numbered in invisible green paint
BS16       unmarked, unsurveyed, coords may or may not be any good
BS17       we have no survey data, but believed relocated 2015 ? Remote and hard cave
BS19       unmarked, unsurveyed, coords may or may not be any good
LA11       we have LUSS data
LA12       location in svx, no data
LA25       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA26       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA27       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA30       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA34       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map, may be in 1626
LA35       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA37       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA38       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
LA40       missing, unsurveyed, untagged, but given a lat/long probably from the map
1987-02    PG: needs survey, and possibly more exploration. We have 30+ legs of 2007 data
1992-X-01  allegedly refindable, but unmarked and undescended
1996-01    needs survey - coords are pre-SA and believed hopelessly wrong
1996-WK-4  unexplored but coords
1996-WK-11 exploration incomplete (probably chokes), needs survey
1996-WK-12 needs survey, needs retag (2005-89 as no letters in tag kit)
1996-X-01  documented as under 3m long - so should not need an Austrian number
1996-05    apparently a non-CUCC discovery but no evidence of exploration - should be done !
1997-07    needs survey
1999-MS-01 unmarked, needs survey (unexplored?)
1999-MS-02 unmarked, needs survey (unexplored?)
1999-OB-01 too insignificant to need a kataster number
1999-OB-02 PG: surveyed but data/drawing missing. svx has 3 legs refer wallet 2006#?? Can't see anything in 2006#1 to 2006#33, ie scanned stuff
1999-X-01  needs survey and tag
2000-02    needs survey and photo
2000-08    needs survey
2001-02    needs survey and tag added to spit
2001-03    needs survey
2001-06    needs survey
2001-07    needs survey and tag, exploration incomplete
2001-08    needs survey and tag
2001-09    needs resurvey (original missing)
2001-10    needs survey
2001-11    needs survey, or might be too short for kataster
2001-12    needs survey - may be a VfHM cave
2002-03    needs survey and entrance photo
2002-05    have svx, not in PG. ent coords in 2006#1
2002-06    surveyed, but drawing lost - may be too short for a kataster number. ent coords in 2006#1
2002-07    have svx, not in PG
2002-08    surveyed, but drawing lost. May be pushed by small chemical persuasion
2002-10    needs survey and entrance photo
2002-AD-01 needs survey and entrance photo, and tag
2002-AD-02 needs survey and entrance photo, and tag
2002-AD-03 needs survey and entrance photo, unmarked
2002-AD-04 PG: needs survey. Seem to have 2012 survey data
2002-OB-01 needs survey, tag and more push
2002-W-01  PG says needs survey, but location says "see sketch in survey notes"
2002-W-02  PG: needs survey and tag. Seem to have 2002 svx data
2002-X-09  unmarked and undescended
2002-X-09b unmarked - just a rock shelter, cannot need a kataster number
2002-X-15  unmarked, needs survey and better description if over 10m
2002-X-16  unmarked - may not ne penetrable - one word description is illegible
2002-X-17  unmarked, needs survey
2002-X-18  unmarked, needs survey if over 10m
2002-XX    needs tag, surveyed, but drawing lost
2003-01    not in PG, have a short svx - refer to wallet 2003#10
2003-07    unmarked, location and photo may not be the right cave, and the 2003-07 tag was on 2003-08 (now 240)
2003-X-11  unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2003-X-12  unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2003-X-13  unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2003-X-14  needs survey and tag. See wallet 2006#12 <5m long, does not need kataster number
2003-X-15  unmarked, needs survey
2003-X-16  unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2003-X-17  unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo, or may be too short for kataster
2003-X-18  unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2004-02    needs survey and possible boulder removal
-------    "Mystery cave nearish 186" in same wallet as 2004-03 has no ID, but could be given one, and drawn up. Location ?
2004-04    undescended, no coords
2004-05    undescended, no coords, tag prepared but not placed 2004 - did this ever get done ? Does sound refindable...
2004-06    undescended, no coords, ditto
2004-07    needs survey
2004-08    PG: needs survey. 14 legs svx, refer wallet 2006#16 - sketching really not adequate for a survey
2004-09    undescended, no coords, tag prepared but not placed 2004, probably near (missing) 177 ...
2004-10    PG: needs survey - may be QMs. 8 legs of svx, refer wallet 2013# xxxxx
2004-13    needs survey and entrance photo, only marking is part-drilled spit hole
2004-14    surveyed, but drawing lost. refer wallet 2004#41
2004-15    svx, refer wallet 2004#41
2004-16    undescended, drafts in
2004-17    needs survey
2004-18    needs survey, may go further with low snow
2004-21    unmarked, needs survey, one QM
2005-01    unmarked, survey done but drawing missing, needs entrance photo
2005-02    unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2005-03    unmarked, needs survey and entrance photo
2005-06    needs survey
2005-08    needs survey
2005-91    needs survey, may be undescended ?
2005-92    needs survey
2005-93    surveyed, but drawing lost
2005-94    surveyed, but drawing lost
2005-95    surveyed, but drawing lost
2005-96    surveyed, but drawing lost
2005-97    needs survey, or may just be too short to need kataster number
2005-98    needs survey - apparently not a CUCC find
2005-99    needs survey, short but will be hard work (tight)
2006-01    needs survey and marking - undescended
2006-02    needs survey and marking
2006-03    needs survey and marking
2006-05    needs survey and entrance photo
2006-06    surveyed, but drawing lost. ent coords in 2006#1
2006-07    needs survey and entrance photo
2006-08    needs survey and entrance photo - svx ? wallet 2007#31 seems to be grade 1 plan and elev but 2006#33 may be actual survey (2 legs)
2006-09    needs survey
2006-70    surveyed, but drawing lost, needs tag
2006-71    not in PG. see wallet 2006#16
2006-72    surveyed, but drawing lost
2007-70    surveyed, but drawing lost
2007-71    surveyed, but drawing lost
2007-72    surveyed, but drawing lost
2011-01    needs survey, 1 QM C
2012-HW-01 needs survey or may be less than 10m and not needing kataster number
2012-HW-02 unmarked, needs survey or may be too short for kataster
2012-OK-01 unexplored, unmarked
2012-OK-02 unexplored, unmarked
2012-OK-03 unfnished, needs survey, may be BS17 [and this info may be superseded, 2015]

88F        not our cave, no survey
88H        not our cave, missing
E02        not our cave, have survey data from Arge
E09        not our cave, have survey data from Arge
E16        not our cave, have survey data from Arge
E28        not our cave, have survey data from Arge
HFG-KA88   not our cave, no survey

Have got Austrian number, but not actually/adequately documented:
(some things listed as surveyed but drawing lost may mean surveyed by Arge, so we have the data, but no pictures)

37 & 38   to be fair, these aren't our caves, I think...
40        we have survey data, no drawing (mostly not CUCC exploration)
71        drawn up survey, no data (Karl Gaisberger cave, CUCC surveyed)
76        survey of deepest parts deeply suspect (grade 1)
80        needs survey
81        needs survey
82        well-documented, but original survey data thrown away
83        PG: needs survey. Seems to be a *lot* of survey data from 2012
84        missing since c 1977, may actually be 148
85        needs survey - has to be done in a low-snow year
86        missing since c 1977, 25m rift, SE of 82 - needs a search
87        PG says no survey and marking may be wrong. I thought we did survey this ? dataset has Arge resurvey data, 2003
87B       too short for kataster and may be incorrectly marked 88
89        missing, 25m shaft. Should have bolts, so ought to at least be indentifiable if found, but person who remembers this may be confusing it with 98
90        needs survey
91        needs survey
92        missing
93        needs survey
94        needs survey
95        needs survey
96        needs survey
97        sketch survey only - has QMs, really needs doing again (but tight and then wet)
98        needs survey (2 pitches to c 48m depth)
99        survey data missing. very esoteric drawn survey. links 76, so this info may be out of date ?
100       needs survey
101       needs survey
102       needs survey
103       needs survey
104       needs survey
105       needs survey
106       numbering cockup
108       needs survey and more convincing description
109       needs survey, probably in low-snow year
110       PG "We don't have a kitten's chance in heck of finding this" but believed now located, needs survey and entrance photo ?
111       needs survey. wallet 2006#32 has GPS fix
112       needs survey. wallet 2006#32 claims to be one, but is just a sketch (and then surface survey)
113       PG says needs survey which will be quite hard as it is 330m deep, but I think that it was surveyed...
           the coords says "at start of underground survey". Suspect PG bollocks.
114       utterly missing, no conceivable hope of finding or identifying this
117-120   missing, but probably not CUCC anyway
127-130   missing, but probably not CUCC anyway
131-133   not ours, but beware we may have painted these numbers elsewhere...
135       surveyed, but drawing lost
136       surveyed, but drawing lost
137       no survey or coords but near enough a known cave to refind ?
138       surveyed, but drawing lost
139       surveyed, but drawing lost
140       needs survey
141       needs pushed and surveyed, probably mislabelled 131
146       missing, but ought to be refindable from 147, though apparently unmarked, probably undescended
149       missing, but ought to be refindable from 145, though unmarked. needs survey
150       actually too short for a kataster number (2m)
151       ditto (3m?)
152       surveyed, but drawing lost
153       needs survey
154       needs survey
155       mostly undescended
156       needs survey, may go further in a low-snow year
157       needs survey in low snow year, and may link to 107 (PG) but seems to be 2012 survey data
158       drawn survey, but data missing
159       needs survey
160       needs survey and description
164       needs survey
165       needs survey. PG notes another cave nearby with a non-CUCC bolt, which we should also document
171       needs survey - no rigging, walking passage, should be easy !
173       needs survey
174       needs survey
175       needs survey
176       needs survey
177       missing, no bolts (explored to 35m on Bunde belay)
178       missing
179       missing
180       needs survey
181       needs survey and entrance pic
182       PG says data but drawn survey missing. Needs tag
183       PG says data but drawn survey missing. Needs tag and entrnce pic
184       needs survey, tag and pic
185       PG says data but drawn survey missing. Needs tag
186       needs survey
187       unmarked, only partly explored
188       needs survey
189       needs survey
190       needs survey
191       needs survey and photo
192       missing, paint marked, partially explored, has a spit (not ours?)
194       needs survey
197       needs survey
198       needs survey (=B11)
200       needs survey - OK the PG is definitely out of date, we surveyed this years ago
201       surveyed, but drawing lost, needs photo
202       surveyed, but drawing lost
203       surveyed, but drawing lost
205       needs retag
206       surveyed, but drawing lost, coords only for 1 (of 5) ent
209       surveyed, but drawing lost
210       needs survey (=1998-03)
214       needs survey
215       Desc says "? Wookey"
216       surveyed, but drawing lost
217       needs survey, desc says "? Wookey"
218       needs survey and retag (WOOK6 - which ought to have been 1996-WK-06)
219       needs survey and retag (WOOK5 - which ought to have been 1996-WK-05)
220       survey done, but missing
222       needs survey and retag (9604)
223       needs survey and retag (96-03)
224       needs survey and retag (9602)
225       needs survey
226       needs survey and description
227       needs survey and description
228       surveyed, but drawing lost, needs marking and entrance photo
229       surveyed, but drawing lost, spit but no tag
230       needs survey and retag (99-04)
235       needs survey
236       needs survey, mistagged as 232
237       needs survey and coords for 2 (of 3) entrances
238       second half of survey from 2012 never drawn up
239       needs entrance photo
242       needs entrance photo
243       needs entrance photo and retag (2001-05) which may have been done in 2004 (yes, PG is that out of date...)
244       needs retag ? Second part of survey allegedly not scanned, so presumably full survey not drawn up
245       needs retag ? Published survey still under number 2003-09 - should really redraw
246       needs retag ?
247       needs retag ? drawn survey, but data missing. Drawn survey is essentially a sketch, so needs a real survey
248       needs retag ? needs entrance photo
249       needs retag ?
250       needs entrance photo (=2000-aa-01)
251       needs retag ?
253       needs entrance photos (2 ents)
254       needs entrance photos (3 ents) 2 ents might need tags
256       needs entrance photo
257       needs underground description
263       needs retag ? (2010-01)
264       allegedly needs retag (2005-05). Seems unlikely... but no-one has actually checked (2015)

Ought to be able to submit documentation and get a number:
There are depressingly few here precisely because the documentation and link are so crap...

2002-AD-04 PG: needs survey. Seem to have 2012 survey data
2004-01    76 bivi cave - PG: lived in but no survey !! Seem to have svx refer wallet 2006#6 which has a passable plan and elev
2004-03    PG: tagged, no survey. 6 legs of svx, refer wallet 2006#15 which contains something that could be drawn as a plan
2004-14    surveyed, but drawing lost. refer wallet 2004#41
2004-15    svx, refer wallet 2004#41
2004-19    svx refer wallet 2004#46 - looks like we could draw an adequate survey oh, => 1623/254
2004-20    svx refer wallet 2004#51 - looks like we could draw an adequate survey oh, => 1623/255
2006-73    tagged, unexplored. But seems to be a survey in 2006#31 under name Ice Curtain Cave. No description on website.
2014-SD-01 2014 SD 01 looks a convincing set of docs
2006-71    not in PG. see wallet 2006#16




need a translation table for existing caves which have changed number from a provisional one to a kataster one (or anything else)
if for no other reason, then because log books will refer to the old number, whilst the website descriptions will (over time) be
updated to the final number, and stuff which is documented will go away from the Prospecting Guide...

This could work just like a glossary page...