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<h1>CUCC Austria 1997 - Why ?</h1>
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<p>The 1997 expedition is now in the planning stage, with a few people
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(as usual) doing most of the work. Dates are nominally 12th July to
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17th August, with the usual flexibility in arrival and departure times.
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Arrival dates for many depend on the timing of a pre-Expo canyonning
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trip to the Alpes Maritîmes in France. Departure dates for some
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depend on the International Speleological Congress, in the Swiss Jura
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this year. As predicted, an Expo Prospectus has been produced, of which an
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edited version appears here.</p>
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<h2 class="centre">CUCC Austria '97 (21st expo to Austria)</h2>
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<p>Once again it's time to think of all those wonderful times you may
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have had in Austria, lying on the sun-drenched sand by the Altaussee
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lake, barbeques at the luxurious Gasthof Staudenwirt campsite,
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swimming in the crystal clear (if somewhat chilly) waters of the
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nearby river, shopping in the Konsum, drinking pints (well, bottles
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anyway) of Gösser, festering in the potato hut, fixing the crap cars,
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laughing at the radios, sampling the magnificent expo cuisine. And
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don't forget the superb caving available on the
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<a href="../../areas.htm">Loser Plateau</a> or more specifically in
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<a href="../../1623/161/top.htm">Kaninchenhöhle</a>.</p>
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<p>If you want to know what happened last year in the way of caving,
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here's an extract from the sponsor's report (Anthony Day, 1996):</p>
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<blockquote><p>"July 1996 saw the twentieth Cambridge University Caving Club
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expedition to the Austrian Totes Gebirge and the ninth which has
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primarily concentrated on the Kaninchenhöhle system. We found and
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surveyed a further 5.5km of cave in this system, taking its total
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length to 19.7km. These finds include two new deep routes, two new
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entrances, and further extensive horizontal development in the north
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of the system. The most exciting finds are to the south however. The
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southern end of Kaninchenhöhle is now tantalisingly close to the
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Stellerweg system. Were this connection to be made, the resulting
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system would be over 40km long and 1000m deep making it an
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internationally significant cave system."</p></blockquote>
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<p>If you want an idea of some of the alternative activites that are
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possible, you may like to visit the CUCC web site's
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<a href="/handbook/fester.html">guide to expo festering</a>.</p>
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<p>The contribution made by ExCS members
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(and indeed anyone of similar experience) to CUCC expeditions is, as it has
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always been, valued greatly. Anyone is welcome to come, caving or not, and
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we (CUCC) would be pleased to see you.</p>
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<h3>Some current KH statistics:</h3>
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<table class="trad bigfatborder">
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<tr><td>Found:</td><td>1988</td>
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<td>No. of question marks:</td><td>201 in list</td></tr>
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<tr><td>Length:</td><td>19.75 km</td>
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<td>of which no. of huge question marks:</td><td>c.30</td></tr>
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<tr><td>Depth:</td><td>498 m</td><td></td><td></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2">Distance from Eishöhle-Stellerweghöhle:</td>
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<td colspan="2">c.200m and closing</td></tr>
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<tr><td></td><td>Likely year of connection:</td><td>1997/98</td>
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<td></td></tr></table>
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<p>I've just made these numbers up because I don't know the exact
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figures, but I think they're about right. Wookey
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(email: <wookey (at) aleph1.co.uk>)
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will give you more accurate answers if you like.</p>
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<h3>Dates:</h3>
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<p>Expo '97 is nominally 12th July - 17th August 1997, although as usual
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these are flexible according to when people want to go/leave.
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Typically there are people arriving/leaving on every weekend so it is
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entirely possible to go for as long or as little time as you like.
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Transport is pooled to minimise cost.</p>
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<h3>Cost:</h3>
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<p>Cost is variable and difficult to be precise about since it depends on
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factors such as how long you go for and how much beer you drink. Typically a
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fortnight may cost between £250 and £350 (all in), of which a
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large part is transport and a (fixed) tackle charge. 3 weeks probably cost
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around £50 or so extra.</p>
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<h3>Expo Committee:</h3>
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<tr><td colspan="3" class="centre">This year's expo committee is:</td></tr>
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<tr><td>Leader</td><td>Julian Haines</td><td>
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(jhaines (at) scigen.co.uk</td></tr>
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<tr><td>Treasurer</td><td>Andrew Ketley</td><td>
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(AJK23 (at) hermes.cam.ac.uk</td></tr>
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<tr><td>Sponsorship</td><td>Rebecca Lawson</td><td>
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(R.Lawson (at) Liverpool.ac.uk)</td></tr>
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<tr><td>Equipment</td><td>Matthew Hicks</td><td></td></tr>
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<tr><td>Medical</td><td>?</td><td></td></tr></table>
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<h3>What to do next:</h3>
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<li>A deposit of UKP40 is payable immediately. This is returnable in
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the unlikely event of you changing your mind, but we need some money
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to pay for things like insurance and carbide in advance. Cheques
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should be payable to "CUCC Expo Account" and sent to Andrew Ketley,
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Trinity Hall, Cambridge, CB2 1TJ.</li>
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<li>It would be helpful if you could indicate (to me or Andrew) when
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you are likely to be going and whether or not you have transport for
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sharing. Clearly this is only a first impression and is not expected
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to be final.</li>
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<li>Book some leave if you have to!</li>
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<p>Julian Haines<br />
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Expo '97 leader</p>
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<p>Many of the objectives of the 1997 trip are already pretty obvious to the
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participants of the 1996 expedition. How many of these, and how many new ones
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are addressed in 1997 depends mainly on the manpower and experience of the
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intending participants.</p>
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<p>Perhaps the most obvious single objective is the one which time and
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deteriorating weather conspired to stop at the end of 1996. This was the
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redescent of <a href="../../1623/161/136.htm">Steinschlagschacht</a>
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and an attempt to connect this to the passages of the
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<a href="../../1623/161/fbland.htm">Forbidden Land</a> in
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<a href="../../1623/161/top.htm">Kaninchenhöhle</a>. These
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passages are approached through a potentially very dangerous loose
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choke at the southernmost point of "Flat France", and a new way in,
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either from the surface, or via some bypass, is urgently needed. A
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bypass proved elusive in 1996, and a connection with Steinschlagschacht
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seems by far the best hope.</p>
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<p>The Forbidden Land heads very promisingly under the Vorderer
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Schwarzmooskogel, towards the great linked system of
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<a href="../../1623/41.htm">Stellerweghöhle</a>,
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<a href="../../noinfo/1623/78.htm">Schwabenschacht</a> and
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Schwarzmooskogeleishöhle, explored by CUCC and a
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variety of other groups over many years. It is hoped to find a connection
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(already provisionally named <b>The Promised Land</b>) linking these into a
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single system, which would be approaching 40km in length and over 1000m deep.</p>
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<p>There are many more accessible leads in Kaninchenhöhle,
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reached via the 1995 "Scarface" entrance
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(<a href="../../1623/161/sftotp.htm">1623/161d</a>), mainly
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by relatively easy horizontal caving. The 1996 discovery of a
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<a href="../../1623/161/triasp.htm#minoan">connection</a> from
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Triassic Park into Knossos chamber will also make access to the
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furthest reaches of the "old cave" much easier, and a return to
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<a href="../../1623/161/sibria.htm#siberia">Siberia</a> and
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various pitches below the ways north, beyond
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<a href="../../1623/161/sibria.htm#cfn">Chicken Flied Nice</a>
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are on the cards.</p>
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<p>As well as the tenth year of exploration in Kaninchenhöhle,
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there are a variety of other leads, and much relocating and better
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documenting of smaller caves to be done. Though less glamorous, this
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is no less vital, and provides easier caving for days between big
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pushes in the deeper systems. A lot of the work needed is listed
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in the Expedition <a href="../../handbook/look4.htm">Prospecting
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Guide</a>.</p>
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<p>As CUCC caves link up with other caves explored by different groups, one
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emerging problem is the lack of available documentation from these
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explorations. A number of groups have worked "unofficially" in the area, and
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neither ourselves nor the local Austrian group have any information or
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surveys. Other caves were explored so long ago that the existing surveys are
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not up to current standards, and the raw data are lost. This will necessitate
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a program of resurvey work over the next few years. Although at first sight,
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this seems an unrewarding task, all past experience shows that the more
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detailed examination of a cave which occurs whilst surveying it reveals
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previously unnoticed leads. Thus, it is hoped that reexploration of
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Larchenschacht and Schwarzmooskogeleishöhle will reveal important new
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links north towards the Kaninchenhöhle area, hastening the linking of
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all these caves into one system of world significance.</p>
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<p>One overriding goal in all of this is to provide a consistently high
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standard of documentation of all our work. This will avoid the need for
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future cavers to repeat all the explorations again, placing new bolts
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and otherwise having an adverse impact on the caves. Descriptions,
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photographs and all CUCC's published material will appear on this website
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over the years.</p>
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<li>1996 Expedition info:
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<ul>
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<li><a href="../1996/log.htm">Logbook</a></li>
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<li>Expedition <a href="../1996/bcracc.htm">Report</a> 1996</li>
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<li>1997 Expedition info - <a href="index.htm">index:</a></li>
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<li><a href="../../pubs.htm">Index</a> to all publications</li>
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<li><a href="../../sponsr.htm">Current year's</a> sponsors</li>
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<li><a href="../../index.htm">Expo intro</a></li>
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