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<h2 align=center>Pre-expo trip 27 May- 3 July 2000</h2>
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<P>This trip was an Arge-organised trip to which CUCC were invited.
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Wookey was the only CUCC member able and willing to attend, so he spent
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the week <strike>surrounded by Germans,</strike> sorry, cementing
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international relations</p>
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<p>There were 16 people, 15 trips and almost 1km surveyed</p>
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<p>There was a great deal of chopping and changing of travel arrangements
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as various people changed plans. I flew to <span lang="de">Thilo
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(Müller)'s</span> house in <span lang="de">Stuttgart</span> and was
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going to go with him to <span lang="de-at">Loser,</span> but <span
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lang="de">Thilo</span> found he had to do three days work so couldn't come
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till Wednesday which meant I had to go in someone else's car. However the
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allotted one broke down the day before so I ended up getting taken to a
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service station somewhere in Germany by <span lang="de">Thilo</span> to get a
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lift from <span lang="de">Jens (Freigang).</span> None of this was actually
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my problem so that was OK :-), but I think <span lang="de">Thilo</span> had a
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rather frazzled few days. On Sat morning <span lang="de">Thilo</span> and I
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took the opportunity to sort out the dataset somewhat in the 115/41 area.</P>
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<p>The drive was uneventful, with a bit of German practice, but by the end
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<span lang="de">Jens'</span> English was doing much better than my German. By
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about midweek almost everyone's English had improved to (or was already at)
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the point where there was no point me murdering their language and nearly all
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comms was done in English. Oh well, - I tried.</P>
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<p>On Saturday evening we arrived in a miserably foggy, damp, windy, freezing
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cold <span lang="de-at">Loser</span> carpark with a 10m high snow wall
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looming out of the murk! Most of the far end of the car park was full of snow
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and the cavers were huddled miserably in the lee of the <span
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lang="de">Bergrestaurant.</span> There was a rapid jack to the <span
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lang="de-at">Loserhütte</span> after introductions, apart from MarkM and
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Flo who had a nice camper van to hide in.</P>
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<p>The rest of us ate and drank well and kipped in the warm. Nice, but still
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a tenner a night; twenty-odd by the time you've had dinner and a couple
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of beers. Sunday dawned hot and lovely and I had to get my shit
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together. Having no particular abode was a bit of a problem and my gear
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rapidly became distributed between the <span
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lang="de-at">Loserhütte</span> back room, Mark's van and Jens' car,
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whilst my food was in Fritz and Tobi's car. Less than ideal, but there you
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go.</P>
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<p>On the first day Flo and <span lang="de">Jörg</span> did a 20-hour
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trip into 115 with the <b lang="de">Benzinbohrmachine</b> (petrol drill)
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re-rigging the big shaft out of the water and finding 300m of passage off the
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big stuff <span lang="de">(Zweistromland)</span> at the bottom: <b
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lang="de">Nebudkanezar,</b> which headed right out to the side of the hill -
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they found dead moths, but no exit. They also pushed <span
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lang="de">Zweistromland</span> a bit following the mental draught but were
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stopped by a pitch after ~60m.</P>
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<p>After putting in the data from this and poring over GPS correction
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offsets, I got my stuff together on a small patch of carpark that wasn't
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running with meltwater and we traipsed over over the snow.
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<span lang="de-at">Loser</span> is very different in May compared to July,
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and on the whole the going is much easier with most of the holes filled with
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snow. However the rapid melting means you have to be very careful of big
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holes (and small holes), and it gets less easy each day as more rock is
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uncovered.</P>
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<p>Much peering at the GPS runes led to working out some co-ordinates,
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re-referenced at the actual 115 entrance and Jens and Flo finding a new
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entrance in the right place which draughts but needs digging.</P>
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<P>2000.05.28 (Sunday): <span lang="de">Fritz Mammel,</span> Wookey, Mark
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Morgan, <span lang="de">Richie Gesserer</span></P>
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<P>Wook's first trip in <b lang="de">Stellerweg.</b> Entrance is a 5m
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snow-tunnel slide which was entertaining. Went along upper ramps to <b
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lang="de">Megaloschlinger</b> then down <b lang="de">Warm Dusche Rampe</b> to
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<b lang="de">Neues Glück.</b> Took 1st QM on left, which proved to be
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200-odd m of very complicated interconnecting passages, connecting to known
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cave in 3 places, and having a few more QMs. It's ridiculously easy to find
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loads of new cave here, 40 minutes from the entrance. CUCC really were a bit
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slack when we first explored this! Richie (who is 60-something) unfortunately
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jacked on the way in, feeling he would slow us down (I blame Mark for not
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waiting for him). Bumped into Goldie's trip towards the end of our trip as
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they were coming out. 41 has lots of nice easy caving in it if you want some,
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although I also guarantee you lots of surveying. I also got to try out my new
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fluorescent lamp which was 'quite good', but resulted in rather too much crap
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on one helmet (fluorescent, Oldham, carbide, fluorescent electronics and a
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6-12V converter box!)</P>
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<P>TU 5hrs (Richie 45mins)</P>
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<p><STRONG>Cave description:</STRONG><br>
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From Start of <span lang="de">Neues Glück,</span> up ramp on careful
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traverse past damp ~15m shaft (QMB). Ahead is a 3m wall. Water falls from an
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aven and down a hole at the foot of the wall. This hole appears to connect
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back to the shaft just passed. The wall is passed by climbing up under and
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around a boulder on the right. Here a small hole in the floor goes back to
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join the other water. Here, and 2m higher, a pair of passages head off (and
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join after ~4m) connecting to the 'Coffin Level' rift after 10m. The Jade
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ramp continues steeply until it splits at the top. Left joins back into WDR
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after 5m. Right closes down to a steeply ascending ~1m diameter tube accessed
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by a 3m climb. (A choked tube goes off left for 4m at the bottom of this).
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The tube goes sharp right and then left into a joint-developed passage. 3m
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along here a stream comes in from above and goes down a small 7m pitch.
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(QMB). At the end the roof rises and there are several holes through to a
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damp 3m diameter, 7m deep shaft. This is the same shaft reached at the end of
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<span lang="de">Schnick Schnack Schabernack.</span> Someone could usefully
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connect the surveys...</P>
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<P>In WDR, 5m after the way off to Jade on the left, is another wide way on
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to the left. This leads into a high, wide area (not properly
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surveyed/explored?). At the lower end of this the 'Coffin Level' rift goes
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off on 040°. And 2m above at the same point is another passage on
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070°, <b lang="de">Altes Pech.</b> This ascends for 9m to come into a 7m
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drippy shaft on the joint. There is a continuation opposite that may be
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accessible (QMB) and it clearly goes at the bottom (QMA). Just before this
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shaft you can climb up 3m on the left wall. It goes up another few to a small
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chamber. There are three crappy QMs here (up, left and right). All 'C'.</P>
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<P>Coffin level starts over some boulders. You can climb back
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under these boulders to arrive by a stream in the ceiling, probably where
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the water comes in from the roof in Jade. The rift descends steeply to
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where a hole in the floor connects to the roof of Jade, and 3m below the
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passage from Jade joins. Ahead a c3 up leads into gently descending passage
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which goes for 20m to a nice dry p10 (QMA), with a continuation opposite
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which can probably reached with a lined traverse (QMB).</P>
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<hr>
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<p>The evening was OK whilst we had dinner, but then it started raining
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again and most decamped to the <span lang="de-at">Loserhütte</span>
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again. I got out my bivi bag and kipped under the
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<span lang="de">Bergrestaurant</span> eaves. This proved to be poor cover
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from the rain and I was rather too hot so had to leave the zip open, which
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meant the water got in. It wasn't particularly miserable, but it was very
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handy to be able to dry gear out in the hut - more than one night in a row
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like that would be rubbish.</p>
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<p><EM>Monday</EM>
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In the morning the rain held off enough to have breakfast out the side of
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Mark's excellently converted-for-camping van. As he's Welsh (and therefore
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speaks perfect English, and understands sarcasm) and seemed to have a
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proper attitude to outdoor camping I attached myself to his van for the
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next couple of days (until he went home).</p>
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<p>Jens and Fritz when back to the 'new 115 entrance-to-be' (in the rain,
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whilst everyone else skived at the <span lang="de-at">Loserhütte)</span>
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to do a couple more hours very soggy digging, but still didn't get in. A
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very interesting spot - as a new entrance into the bottom of 115 would avoid
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the 100m pitch and rather a lot of caving. There is one short surface abseil
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needed to get to the spot on the surface, despite it being in the very steep
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area on the side of the Vord.</p>
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<p>Monday is the <span lang="de-at">Loser</span> Hut's day off, so we had the
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key and slacked about there all day, sorting out data and looking at the
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rain. They were remarkably tolerant of us taking up the place so long as we
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bought some beer and at least some of us were staying there.</p>
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<p>I kept having to borrow clothes and money as I had lost my yellow
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fleece in someone's car and didn't have any Austrian dosh, and couldn't
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find my wallet to go and get any Austrian dosh. I didn't have a spare
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sweatshirt as I had been trying hard to keep the weight of gear down due
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to flying by plane (I still had ~34Kg and 41 on the way back (wet stuff +
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donated surveys and journals)). Eventually (Wednesday) I worked
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out that on the first morning when I was all disorganised having just
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arrived and people wanted data processing on computers and it had been
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hot I must have taken my fleece off (containing my wallet) and put it
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in/on <span lang="de">Jörg</span>'s van, who had then gone home. A phone
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call determined that this had been spotted and was under control; the next
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arrival on pre-expo (Thursday) was bringing it back; it would have fixed
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itself without me having even worked out what went wrong :-).</p>
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<p>Being based at the <span lang="de-at">Loserhütte</span> I found an
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excellent bivi spot under the front balcony, with a marvelous view of <span
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lang="de-at">Altaussee,</span> and almost complete shelter from the rain.
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Some handy logs made a good flat shelf above the nettles - recommended.</p>
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<p><EM>Tuesday</EM>
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Finally the rain cleared so we could go caving. I was keen to go to <span
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lang="de">Eishöhle</span> so everyone went there, splitting into two
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teams. </p>
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<p>The first lot <span lang="de">(Jens Freigang, Winni Wichmann, Florian
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Gruner)</span> were supposed to be going down the 50m shaft near the entrance
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to <span lang="de">Schotterland,</span> but instead got distracted by the
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last big entrance before you get to 40e (70m along from 40e). We thought this
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was the one that goes in to SVH via the <span lang="de">Eisgang</span>
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(normally blocked by ice), but it turned out not to be. They found about a
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50m cave going over <span lang="de">Elephantengang</span> and dropping down
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above <span lang="de">Wahnsinschächte</span> but choked. This was duly
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called <b lang="de">Nichts 50.</b></p>
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<P>2000.05.30 (Tuesday). <span lang="de">Eishöhle.</span> 6hrs. Uncle
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Tom Cobbly and all go to <span lang="de">Eishöhle</span> for a poke.</P>
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<P>Wook, <span lang="de">Fritz Mammel,</span> Mark Morgan, <span
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lang="de">Tobi Tränkler.</span> Went in 40e to check out the QM by <span
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lang="de">Kalter Gang</span> entrance A1998-40-05 B.</P>
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<P>Summary: Wook abbed down off an ice screw and 'welded-on lump of
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ice' belay. QM was indeed as described down edge of ice and
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<span lang="de">Kalter Gang</span> is <u>definitely</u> not currently
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enterable without some digging. Something, presumably water, must have moved
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crap back in to the hole since the mid-80s. We went in for a look between the
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clear ice wall (you can see several feet into it in places) and the rock.
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Crawling though a few boulders gets into a huge high space with a big ice
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wall at the top and sloping down to a large (in May at least) waterfall at
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the bottom end coming out of a passage 15-20m up. The area seems to just be a
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huge boulder choke below the floor level of <span
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lang="de">Schneevulkanhalle</span> with one side being the solid wall of
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<span lang="de">Schneevulkanhalle</span> continuing down. Our geologist
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(MarkM) siad this was definitely a fault. We spent a while wandering through
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all the boulders following faint draughts but finding everything choked or
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too tight, so then we surveyed about 100m and boogied out. I confirmed that
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SV69 is not the station that the <span lang="de">Kalter Gang</span> survey
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starts at (they are a few metres apart), but forgot that we needed to survey
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between them - bum).</P>
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<p><STRONG>Cave Description:</STRONG>
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<br>It follows the wall round in a narrow gap between wall and ice, then
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through a few boulders into a large space at least 20m high, <b>Express
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Finish.</b> It is the bottom of a deep canyon, partly infilled by rocks and
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ice from the south. The upper wall is steep ice, presumably from <span
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lang="de">Schneevulkanhalle</span> above, but perhaps there is passage up
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there? The ice is about 60-70 degrees and thus could be climbed, but it's a
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long way off the floor! The floor consists of boulders and descends steeply
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to the towards the large (in may) waterfall at the end. A 3m climb at the
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bottom reaches the foot of the waterfall. Progress can be made beyond the
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canyon at various levels. All of this seems to be scrotting about in the gaps
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between the ice and boulders against the solid northern wall. No ways on were
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found in a thorough search. At the top, next to the ice you can climb up and
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round for about 15m until the ice closes down against the wall.</P>
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<P>There are two holes at the foot of the north wall, the upper one pleasant,
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the smaller rather scrotty. These lead to two large levelish spaces,
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connected by a 2m icy climb (down only!). You can climb up from the top level
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to the left, and down from the bottom to the left (all choked). At the left
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end of the lower level is a far too tight blowing hole and a marginally
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desperate tight canyon, just too small even for Wook (due to a corner - you
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can physically get in the first metre or so). This has a draught - its
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smallness is frustrating! To the right of this a climb down leads to a small
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(0.8m) icy canyon. After two 2m downclimbs in succession it closes down. At
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the right hand end of this level you can climb up back to the huge canyon via
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the scrotty hole, or down into more interstices. The water from the waterfall
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can be heard through the wall here. There seems to be a draught but after
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climbing down about 10m through the choke against the wall it is lost.</P>
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<p><em>Wednesday</em>
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Wednesday was another slack day. Almost everyone jacked as it was raining
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again. Me, Tobi and Fritz went into town to get money and buy sweeties,
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ask about expo mobile phones, visit <span lang="de-at">Toplitzsee</span>
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(Tobi's uncle was the Jewish printer who did the Nazi's forged-note printing,
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so he was interested to see the place and read the history). Cooked tea in a
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handy Autrian bus-stop. These Germans don't really seem to do tea at every
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available opportunity - very odd!</p>
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<p><em>Thursday</em>
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Wook got to take a couple of volunteers to see the joys of <b>Persistence of
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Vision</b> - by far the closest point of approach between
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<span lang="de">Eishöhle</span> and
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<span lang="de">Kaninchenhöhle,</span> found last year, but a bit of an
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Atkinson/Wook special. On the whole they thought it was hard work, the bolt
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traverse was really rather scary and the 'expo rigging' was pretty poor too.
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Tobi promised that 'he would like it tomorrow, once he had got out'.</p>
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<P>2000.06.01 Wookey, <span lang="de">Fritz Mammel, Tobi
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Tränkler.</span> 7hrs <span lang="de">(Tobi & Fritz,</span> 6.5
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Wook). Looked at low passage in <span lang="de">Schneevulkanhalle</span> -
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but the 1-2 inch deep pool of icy water and the very low roof, and no
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draught, meant that we left it for another trip - it looked fairly
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horrid.</P>
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<P>Went into Persistence of Vision and rigged the pitches with Arge rope and
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hangers. Stole a couple from the rigging en-route in order to be able to
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continue but by the time we got part way down the pitches (1st rope ran out)
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we only had half an our before exit-time. Tobi and Fritz waited (somewhat
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concerned by the rigging and the thought of returning through the crappy
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rifts and epic traverses), but I was determined to have a look having come
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this far. Got to the bottom and thrashed about in the annoying rift at the
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end. Determined that it does go, without hammering (it's plenty wide enough),
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but the pitch-head access is world-class annoying. You need to go down 1m,
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and across 1m to get onto the rope. With my 3-light arrangement my hat was
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far too awkward. Bolting it will be tedious, but a reasonable rig should be
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possible. My light wouldn't reach the bottom of the pitch below, but then it
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was only doing about 15m with my hammerited reflector. Pissed off out, with a
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short faff to put rigging back and fettled Hooked on Classics to be slightly
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less shit. Out at 8.15pm, walked back in 1hr 4mins, not quite needing a zoom
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- perfect timing.</P>
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<p></em>Friday</em>
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Much narging and emailing between me and <span lang="de">Thilo</span> and
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<span lang="de">Franz Lindenmayr,</span> one
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of the stalwarts of the 1980's <span lang="de">Eishöhle</span> work, and
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peering through old write-ups and survey data meant that we had managed to
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'explore' a couple of QMs just sitting at the computer. One of the most
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significant of these was a 50m pitch very close to the entrance (before
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<span lang="de">Schneevulkanhalle)</span> which led into big passage,
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apparently with an A-grade QM at one end. We resolved to go and check this
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out and get a proper survey done.</p>
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<P>2000.06.02 Wookey, <span lang="de">Gaspard Nagorkinos.
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Schotterland.</span> 4 ¾ hrs. Overlapped with earlier <span
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lang="de">Schotterland</span> trip <span lang="de">(Jens, Gunter, Gitte,
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Alois)</span> who did the mainline survey. We did the climbs and side
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passages. 50m up the south-going side is a climb up a ramp for about 30m.
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Cairn at the end shows someone has been there before. It closes down. At the
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opposite end of the passage everything is thoroughly choked with glacial fill
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except a hole in the roof out of which comes a spout of water. The nature of
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this leads to the name <b lang="de">Pissen Schacht.</b> Wook shinned up the
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hole with the aid of a few slings, carefully avoiding (most of) the water.
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Above is canyon, dry to the west, and wet to the SE. The roof can be shinned
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up to at various levels but it always choked with rocks - probably the floor
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of SVH.</P>
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<P>Checked out short passage that is 'third leg' from the pitch. Chokes after
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about 30m. There is a strong draught from a hole in one corner but there it
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is full of medium-sized rocks. It would be an ace dig in Britain :-). Finally
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we surveyed the sopping wet pitch (my Oldham filled up - that's how wet it
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was!), derigged and went out.</P>
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<P>Outside I redid the VFHO survey legs at the entrance to work out where
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their 'SV0' station must have been. It is neither of the other stations used,
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so we connected them with a leg. From apparent position of SV0 to point in
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cave that everyone else has used: 1.70m -16 356</P>
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<P>Dinner in the <span lang="de-at">Loserhütte)</span> again, on the
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terrace, watching distant lightning, then back to <span
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lang="de">parkplatz</span> for a bit of <span lang="de">schnapps</span> and
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tea before bed. <span lang="de">Thilo</span> slacked around in the sunshine
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all day, suffering from too much sun the day before (He had spent the day
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trying to dig his way into <span lang="de">Grüner Eingang</span> which
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was under several metres of snow. A great deal of effort had made a
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remarkably small hole :-)</P>
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<P>2000.06.03 Last trip. Much of team slacked off to the lake for the day,
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leaving Wook, <span lang="de">Jens, Gaspard</span> and <span
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lang="de">Gunter</span> keen. <span lang="de">Gaspard</span> wanted to take
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photos but Wook wanted to survey connection to old <span
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lang="de">Eishöhle,</span> so we ended up with two understaffed teams.
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<span lang="de">Jens</span> 'quick-change' went to check out entrance above
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where <span lang="de">Thilo</span> had been digging for <span
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lang="de">Gruner Eingang.</span> It went about 30m with a 3m pitch before
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choking. Needs surveying properly.</P>
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<P>After that diversion we went in 40e and rigged
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<span lang="de">Elephantengang</span> pitch, taking the better of the bits of
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blue polyprop rope there with us. Got to the climb up to
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<span lang="de">Grüner Eingang</span> passage and whilst Wook was
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getting <span lang="fr">etriers</span> and ice axes ready
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<span lang="de">Jens</span> shinned up the rock corner. I passed him up 3 ice
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screws and the rope and he finished the climb without even using any
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crampons, which seemed a bit keen. However this did mean I kept my promise to
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Tess not to do anything silly :-). Rigged the ancient polyprop from a boulder
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and went in to havalook. Wook followed wind to
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<span lang="de">Grüner,</span> but it was indeed completely full of
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snow. Then followed gale through ice-slush pond(!) down smallish canyon to
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where you could look down 3 or 4m into big passage. Unfortunately it was too
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overhanging to climb (presumably there was more ice here in 1938 for the
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original explorers to get up here), and we had no more rope, nor time to go
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back to <span lang="de">Schneevulkanhalle</span> for some even older
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polyprop. So, we surveyed out getting <u>very</u> cold in the smallest,
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windiest part. There are a couple of QMs in here (a very narrow shaft and a
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climbable aven). Nice bit of cave. Wizzed out leaving the
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<span lang="de">Grüner</span> climb rigged, although you need to be
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careful to keep low at the top or the sling might come off its boulder, and
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there's no back-up.. (apparently there is a spit up there somewhere).</P>
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<P>Took a few photos on the snowslope and left. Total electric failure for
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Wook on ice-slope - no idea why, but about as well-timed as such an event can
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be. Entrance crawl even more tedious then usual with a carbide that goes out
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when you knock it. Slogged back in sunshine with all our shit in 1¼
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hrs.</P>
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<P>Then drove around <span lang="de-at">Grundlesee</span> in thunderstorm to
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find others. Passed them in the rain but didn't recognise <span
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lang="de">Thilo's (Heinz's)</span> car so ended up driving to <span
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lang="de-at">Bad Mittendorf</span> to meet having found new clubhouse by
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interrogating people in bars. Swapped journals and surveys and info with
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<span lang="de-at">Robert Seebacher</span> <span lang="la">et al,</span> then
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went for a pizza. Kipped in <span lang="de">Vereinsheim</span> and went home
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on Sunday.</P>
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<p>Members: <span lang="de">Markus Bölzle, Günther Forstmaier, Jens
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Freigang, Heinz Frey, Richard Geserer, Flo Gruner, Jörg Haussmann,
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Gaspard Magarinos, Fritz Mammel, Mark Morgan, Thilo Müller, Alois+Gitte
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Spötzl, Tobias Tränkle, Winni Wichmann,</span> Wookey</p>
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<H2>Appendices</H2>
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<p>GPS numbers for 115 entrance and end point near possible new entrance</p>
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<P>115 entrance possible new entrance in <span lang="de">Nutzenlos.</span> If
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co-ordinates of 115 <span lang="de">Eingang</span> are: 5411141 5281638 then
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co-ords of end pt are 5411588 5281674 (but I don't think either of these are
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right)</P>
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<P>GPS, map, cave co-ordinate conversions, as confirmed for 115 entrance.</P>
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<P>GPS (German grid, WGS84) -> Map <span lang="de">(Alpenverein)</span>
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-> <span lang="de">Höhle</span></P>
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<P>Easting (10,000GPS -> 35000)</P>
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<P>GPS -> +306 -> Map -> -1326 -> <span lang="de">Höhle</span></P>
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<P>GPS -> -1020 -> <span lang="de">Höhle</span></P>
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<P>Northing (82000GPS -> 81000)</P>
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<P>GPS -> -379 -> Map -> +25529 -> <span lang="de">Höhle</span></P>
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<P>GPS -> +25150 -> <span lang="de">Höhle</span></P>
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