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<title>1623/41 Stellerweghöhle QM list</title>
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<h2>Stellerweghöhle Question mark list</h2>
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<p>An attempt has been made to classify these chronologically, so that the
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numbering of newly found QMs can start from 1 each year, and no QM ever
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changes its number. Prefix X0000-41- indicates deduced pre-CUCC QM. Leads
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found by CUCC are prefixed C<year>-41- under the system introduced
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in 1999.<br>
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Key:<ul>
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<li> <b>A</b> very good, go for it.
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<li> <b>B</b> needs effort, or less promising
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<li> <b>C</b> hard to reach (bolting etc.), or very unpromising
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<li> <b>?</b> quality unknown - poorly documented
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<li> <b>!</b> may not exist, or may be multiple - guess from sketches
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<li> <b>X</b> has now been pushed - may be ref. into description.
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<li> <b>*</b> allegedly pushed, but needs another look or survey
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Probably seriously incomplete, especially for 1983-85.
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<p><a name="X0000-41-00"></a><a href="41.htm#X0000-41-00">X0000-41-00 X</a> Entrance 41a/b [leads to CUCC and German routes & all the rest :-]
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<br><a name="X0000-115-01"></a><a href="115.htm#X0000-115-01">X0000-115-01 X</a> Entrance 115 [led to choke dug by CUCC]
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<br><a name="X0000-115-02"></a><a href="115.htm#X0000-115-02">X0000-115-02 X</a> Stone-filled crawl inside 115 [led to rest of cave]
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<br><a name="X0000-41-03"></a><a href="off41.htm#X0000-41-03">X0000-41-03 *</a> Traverse pitch in 'German Route' [allegedly blind after 28m]
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<br><a name="X0000-41-04"></a><a href="off41.htm#X0000-41-04">X0000-41-04 X</a> Shaft at end in 'German Route' [led allegedly to -220m]
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<br><a name="X0000-41-05"></a><a href="off41.htm#X0000-41-05">X0000-41-05 C</a> Up left in first ramp crossed on 'German Route'
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<br><a name="X0000-41-06"></a><a href="off41.htm#X0000-41-06">X0000-41-06 B</a> Down right in first ramp crossed on 'German Route'
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<br><a name="X0000-41-07"></a><a href="off41.htm#X0000-41-07">X0000-41-07 C</a> Up left in second ramp crossed on 'German Route'
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<br><a name="X0000-41-08"></a><a href="off41.htm#X0000-41-08">X0000-41-08 B</a> Down right in second ramp crossed on 'German Route'
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<br><a name="C1980-41-00"></a><a href="41.htm#C1980-41-00">C1980-41-00 X</a> Left turn inside 41a entrance [led to <a href="41.htm#C1980-41-00">CUCC route</a>]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-01"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-01">C1980-41-01 C</a> First ramp traversed over in 41a CUCC route [probably to German Route 00-41-05]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-02"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-02">C1980-41-02 C</a> Uphill ramp where main way turns right along dip (must be near surface)
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<br><a name="C1980-41-03"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-03">C1980-41-03 C</a> Second ramp traversed in CUCC route [probably to German Route 00-41-07]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-04"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-04">C1980-41-04 C</a> Small uphill passage on left at corner after second traverse
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<br><a name="C1980-41-05"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-05">C1980-41-05 B</a> Third ramp traversed in CUCC route
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<br><a name="C1980-41-06"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-06">C1980-41-06 C</a> Small uphill passage to left by big boulders after third traverse
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<br><a name="C1980-41-07"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-07">C1980-41-07 B</a> Fourth ramp traversed in CUCC route
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<br><a name="C1980-41-08"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-08">C1980-41-08 B</a> Down passage to right after fourth ramp (probably to same place)
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<br><a name="C1980-41-09"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-09">C1980-41-09 C</a> Left (uphill) leads to T-jn. T-left
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<br><a name="C1980-41-10"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-10">C1980-41-10 C</a> T-right
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<br><a name="C1980-41-11"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-11">C1980-41-11 B</a> Fifth ramp down in CUCC route
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<br><a name="C1980-41-12"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-12">C1980-41-12 C</a> Uphill to left after fifth ramp
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<br><a name="C1980-41-13"></a><a href="41.htm#C1980-41-13">C1980-41-13 X</a> Last ramp down (serious traverse) [led to base of pitch, same as <a href="#C1980-41-14">C1980-41-14</a>]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-14"></a><a href="41.htm#C1980-41-14">C1980-41-14 X</a> Pitch after last ramp [led to <a href="#C1980-41-16">C1980-41-16/17</a>]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-15"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-15">C1980-41-15 B</a> Continuation of high-level over pitch
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<br><a name="C1980-41-16"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-16">C1980-41-16 X</a> Ramp down to chamber from pitch [led to way on to Big Pitch]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-17"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-17">C1980-41-17 X</a> Ramp up under pitch [led to <a href="#C1982-142-34">C1982-142-34</a> at <a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-34">NE end 142 Big Chamber</a>]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-18"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-18">C1980-41-18 C</a> Joint plane down dip from chamber below 1st pitch
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<br><a name="C1980-41-19"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-19">C1980-41-19 C</a> Climb down through squeeze from chamber below 1st pitch to vadose canyon
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<br><a name="C1980-41-20"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-20">C1980-41-20 B</a> First ramp up NE then NW from chamber
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<br><a name="C1980-41-21"></a><a href="41.htm#C1980-41-21">C1980-41-21 X</a> Second (narrow) ramp up from chamber [led to way on to Big Pitch]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-22"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-22">C1980-41-22 B</a> Right turn reached from down narrow ramp right from <a href="#C1980-41-21">C1980-41-21</a>
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<br><a name="C1980-41-23"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-23">C1980-41-23 A</a> First ramp down at corner below descent ramp from <a href="#C1980-41-21">C1980-41-21</a> (est. 25m drop)
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<br><a name="C1980-41-24"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-24">C1980-41-24 A</a> Second ramp down (nasty traverse, est. 25m drop)
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<br><a name="C1980-41-25"></a><a href="41.htm#C1980-41-25">C1980-41-25 X</a> Downhill in first huge ramp [routes to Big Pitch]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-26"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-26">C1980-41-26 B</a> Uphill in first huge ramp (two ways to same place)
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<br><a name="C1980-41-27"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-27">C1980-41-27 X</a> Right turn off uphill in first huge ramp [leads to second huge ramp]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-28"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-28">C1980-41-28 ?</a> Downhill in 2nd huge ramp - description fails around here but more in 82
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<br><a name="C1980-41-29"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-29">C1980-41-29 B</a> Uphill in small inlet (above second huge ramp ?)
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<br><a name="C1980-41-30"></a><a href="41.htm#C1980-41-30">C1980-41-30 X</a> Right via small pitch from descent of <a href="#C1980-41-25">C1980-41-25</a> [original way to <a href="41.htm#bigpitch">Big Pitch</a>]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-31"></a><a href="41.htm#C1980-41-31">C1980-41-31 X</a> Left via two small pitches from descent of <a href="#C1980-41-25">C1980-41-25</a> [new way to Big Pitch]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-32"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-32">C1980-41-32 X</a> Hole in wall near bottom of Big Pitch [reached from <a href="../../noinfo/smkridge/88.htm">1623/88</a>]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-33"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-33">C1980-41-33 X</a> Chimney in right wall 20m downstream from Big Pitch [way in from 144]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-34"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-34">C1980-41-34 A</a> Climb to passage on left 10m downstream from Big Pitch
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<br><a name="C1980-41-35"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-35">C1980-41-35 X</a> Downstream in sharp passage [main way on]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-36"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-36">C1980-41-36 B</a> Large (2.5m dia + trench?) passage on right (no draught, never entered)
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<br><a name="C1980-41-37"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-37">C1980-41-37 C</a> Possible roof traverse(s) above tight pitch(es)
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<br><a name="C1980-41-38"></a><a href="41.htm#C1980-41-38">C1980-41-38 X</a> Continuation of Big Rift [main way on 1981]
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<br><a name="C1980-41-39"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-39">C1980-41-39 ?</a> Area at start of Stalaglufthöhle - missed route on to Big Pitch ?
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<br><a name="C1980-41-40"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-40">C1980-41-40 C</a> Continuation of canyon after sloping traverse, end series, German route
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<br><a name="C1980-41-41"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-41">C1980-41-41 C</a> Continuation of 'dried out sump' crawl beyond window right
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<br><a name="C1980-41-42"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-42">C1980-41-42 C</a> Hole down traversed after climb down from window
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<br><a name="C1980-41-43"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-43">C1980-41-43 C</a> Tiny exit from chamber below 20m alternative pitch after initial p6m, p18m
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<br><a name="C1980-41-44"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1980-41-44">C1980-41-44 C</a> Tight drop at limit of German route 'Stalaglufthöhle'
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<br><a name="C1980-115-45"></a><a href="115.htm#C1980-115-45">C1980-115-45 C</a> Hopeless choke at bottom of initial passage in 115 (not the one dug)
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<br><a name="C1980-115-46"></a><a href="115.htm#C1980-115-46">C1980-115-46 X</a> Hole opposite initial 7m pitch [reaches blind roof passage]
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<br><a name="C1980-115-47"></a><a href="115.htm#C1980-115-47">C1980-115-47 X</a> Climb up on right in 115 initial passage [main way on, found at end]
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<br><a name="C1980-115-48"></a><a href="115.htm#C1980-115-48">C1980-41-48 X</a> Right at phreatic tube broken into by Der Igel [chokes, shat in]
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<br><a name="C1980-115-49"></a><a href="115.htm#C1980-115-49">C1980-41-49 X</a> Obvious traverse off 10m down blind Rift Pitch (Baker's Bungle) [way on]
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<br><a name="C1981-115-00"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-00">C1981-115-00 X</a> Inlet above Ramp at Baker's Bungle [up cascades, then ends]
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<br><a name="C1981-115-01"></a><a href="115.htm#C1981-115-01">C1981-115-01 B</a> Obvious (but lethally unsafe) black space ahead below Ramp
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<br><a name="C1981-115-02"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-02">C1981-115-02 B</a> Narrow rift below rebelay at the Col (crapped into)
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<br><a name="C1981-115-03"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-03">C1981-115-03 ?</a> Possible way on beyond pitch into Big Chamber (but probably not)
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<br><a name="C1981-115-04"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-04">C1981-115-04 ?</a> Aven at end of 60m upstream from Big Chamber, shown on survey. Description, however, says inlet sump.
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<br><a name="C1981-115-05"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-05">C1981-115-05 C</a> Aven beyond short crawl through hole in wall from food dump in 115 Big Chanber.
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<br><a name="C1981-115-06"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-06">C1981-115-06 B</a> Continuation traverse above Purgatory (too hard)
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<br><a name="C1981-41-07"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1981-41-07">C1981-41-07 C</a> Upstream at the Confluence below Purgatory (thought to divide - all tributaries too small to follow)
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<br><a name="C1981-41-08"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1981-41-08">C1981-41-08 X</a> Downstream continuation at silly depth [way on 1982]
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<br><a name="C1981-115-09"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-09">C1981-115-09 X</a> Left turn from traverse level just downstream of Big Chamber [ends - may =81-41-05 - or is this way to Futility Series?]
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<br><a name="C1981-115-10"></a><a href="115.htm#C1981-115-10">C1981-115-10 X</a> Right where traverse gets too hard at <a href="#C1981-115-05">C1981-115-05</a> [into phreatic maze area]
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<br><a name="C1981-115-11"></a><a href="115.htm#C1981-115-11">C1981-115-11 X</a> Right from junction in phreatic maze after low arch [now Purgatory Bypass]
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<br><a name="C1981-115-12"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-12">C1981-115-12 X</a> Steeply rising continuation right from Cairn Junction [original link 41/115, joins C1981-41-11]
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<br><a name="C1981-115-13"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-13">C1981-115-13 A</a> Continuation left from Cairn Junction (may be several passages here)
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<br><a name="C1981-41-14"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-41-14">C1981-41-14 B</a> Follow stream below traverse right from <a href="deepwy.htm#jncha">Junction Chamber</a>
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<br><a name="C1981-41-15"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-41-15">C1981-41-15 ?</a> Continuation of traverse over stream (may not exist)
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<br><a name="C1981-115-16"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-16">C1981-115-16 C</a> Descent to the stream from Cairn Junction
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<br><a name="C1981-115-17"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-115-17">C1981-115-17 A</a> Left turn 16m
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before 115 main passage, when coming from 41, mentioned in Journal, and quite clear on both sketch grade 1
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of whole of this level and the grade 5 notes. <!-- at 41.Bypass.pt1.54 -->
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This is a genuine QM. *Unless* its the <a
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href="off115.htm#pboxbow">steeply rising tube</a> which loops back.
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<p>Some of these QMs are rather spurious - they only existed for a few days
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during expo at most. On the other hand, the original survey notes are showing
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up some more QMs, not yet formally in the list:
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<p>Hole down to sound of water at second junction with passage leading to
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Cairn Junction <!-- 41.Bypass.pt1.41 --><br>
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Hole to sound of water in Bypass well before Junction Chamber
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<!-- 41.Bypass.pt1.39 --><br>
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<p>There may be other QMs here - the descriptions/survey from each end (41
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and 115) don't quite gel. We don't have the UBSS survey data for this
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connection area, and once the main way on was open, this area was never
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looked at again.
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<p><a name="C1981-41-18"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1981-41-18">C1981-41-18 X</a> Phreatic passage left from 15m climb up at Junction Chamber "cucc/UBSS 1981" [main way back to stream avoiding Purgatory]
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<br>Other ways on from this passage (Dartford Tunnel) were not noted in 1981, so have 1982 numbers
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<br><a name="C1981-41-19"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-41-19">C1981-41-19 C</a> Descent to stream below traverse in passage right from Junction Chamber
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<br><a name="C1981-41-20"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-41-20">C1981-41-20 C</a> First big aven in passage right from Junction Chamber climb
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<br><a name="C1981-41-21"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1981-41-21">C1981-41-21 C</a> Terminal big aven in passage right from Junction Chamber climb
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<br><a name="C1981-41-22"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1981-41-22">C1981-41-22 B</a> Continuation in sump bypass in lower streamway
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<br><a name="C1981-41-23"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1981-41-23">C1981-41-23 B</a> Stream inlet on right between sump and 12' climb
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<br><a name="C1981-41-24"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1981-41-24">C1981-41-24 B</a> Stream inlet on left just before Subtle approach
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<br><a name="C1982-41-00"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-00">C1982-41-00 B</a> Downhill crawl on right at start of Dartford Tunnel
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<br><a name="C1982-41-01"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-01">C1982-41-01 B</a> Inaccessible passage up on left, 40m down Dartford Tunnel
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<br><a name="C1982-41-02"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-02">C1982-41-02 B</a> Another one 20m further on
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<br><a name="C1982-41-03"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1982-41-03">C1982-41-03 C</a> Possible penetration down tight rift in floor of Dartford Tunnel
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<br><a name="C1982-41-04"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-04">C1982-41-04 B</a> Passage high on left at cross-rift where main route goes right <!-- 41.Bypass.pt1.22 -->
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<br><a name="C1982-41-05"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-05">C1982-41-05 C</a> Aven in inlet at end of right turn where cross-rift hits T-junction <!-- 41.Bypass.pt1.20 -->
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<br><a name="C1982-41-06"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-06">C1982-41-06 C</a> Passage right at 4m climb down in P.B. to low mud/boulder area <!-- 41.Bypass.pt1. -->
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<br><a name="C1982-41-07"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1982-41-07">C1982-41-07 !</a> Possible ways into vadose floor slots at various points along Purgatory Bypass, some with sound of stream. <!-- 41.Bypass.pt1. -->
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<br><a name="C1982-41-08"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1982-41-08">C1982-41-08 C</a> Wet aven in alcove to left in last section of Purgatory Bypass
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<br><a name="C1982-41-09"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1982-41-09">C1982-41-09 C</a> Aven on right a bit further on
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<br><a name="C1982-41-10"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1982-41-10">C1982-41-10 B</a> Ways down into stream rift below "cucc/UBSS 1981" traverse
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<br><a name="C1982-41-11"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1982-41-11">C1982-41-11 C</a> Continuation of Camp passage as traverse above Purgatory ?
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<br><a name="C1982-41-12"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-12">C1982-41-12 A</a> Possible traverse right where descent to Confluence starts (hairy - mud.)
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<br><a name="C1982-41-13"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-13">C1982-41-13 B</a> 25m+ climb up Köln Dom (not attempted)
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<br><a name="C1982-41-14"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-14">C1982-41-14 B</a> Echo Aven (reached by hard climb, another climb to go)
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<br><a name="C1982-41-15"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-15">C1982-41-15 B</a> Roof passage from sharp left bend before 7m pitch below Confluence "Dry Purgatory" (entered, unclear if it ends)
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<br><a name="C1982-41-16"></a><a href="offdp.htm#C1982-41-16">C1982-41-16 B</a> Cascade inlet (on right on survey, on left in description) downstream of short sump in main streamway
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<br><a name="C1982-41-17"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1982-41-17">C1982-41-17 C</a> Terminal sump - but only an idiot would dive this.
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<br><a name="C1982-41-18"></a><a href="deepwy.htm#C1982-41-18">C1982-41-18 C</a> Small choked tube with no draught above final sump.
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<br><a name="C1982-41-38"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-41-38">Other QMs</a> around <a
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href="#C1980-41-28">C1980-41-28</a> were found in 1982, but I've currently mislaid the
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sketching of this area. Published descriptions are very confusing
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hereabouts.
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<p>"132" discovered 31st July 1982, entered 1st August, only really pushed to
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the pitch and the Big Chamber - "all" surveying done 1983. Properly called
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1623/142, but may be 1623/115g in Austrian's books... There are stupid
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numbers of QMs in here, all of which will probably link together. The
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"survey" shows at least 31 QMs which must have been seen in 1982, and
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fifteen more for 1983, but the sketching I have (which looks nothing like
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the drawn up survey) suggests as many again. I am only including ones
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mentioned in the description. Some of them may need turning into multiple
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QMs.
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<br><a name="C1982-142-19"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-19">C1982-142-19 A</a> Down first ramp on right in 142 "Wiggy's way to 60' pitch"
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<br><a name="C1982-142-20"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-20">C1982-142-20 A</a> Down trench in floor 15m later to pitch
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<br><a name="C1982-142-21"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-21">C1982-142-21 B</a> Holes in floor right before chamber
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<br><a name="C1982-142-22"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-22">C1982-142-22 X</a> Through various gaps on right to low way [leads to huge batch of <a href="#C1983-142-02">C1983-QMs</a>]
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<br><a name="C1982-142-23"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-23">C1982-142-23 C</a> Tight lead on the left where main way narrows
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<br><a name="C1982-142-24"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-24">C1982-142-24 C</a> Way up/left to a tight rift from main way
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<br><a name="C1982-142-25"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-25">C1982-142-25 B</a> Down ramp from main way (one preceding "Bad Step")
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<br><a name="C1982-142-26"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-26">C1982-142-26 B</a> Down ramp - the "Bad Step"
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<br><a name="C1982-142-27"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-27">C1982-142-27 C</a> Small hole to right after the "Bad Step"
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<br><a name="C1982-142-28"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-28">C1982-142-28 C</a> Small hole to the left after the "Bad Step"
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<br><a name="C1982-142-29"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-29">C1982-142-29 B</a> Down ramp at step down in main way
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<br><a name="C1982-142-30"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-30">C1982-142-30 C</a> Hole in the floor of main way
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<br><a name="C1982-142-31"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-31">C1982-142-31 C</a> Left at
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T-junction up from boulder chamber (allegedly blocked by boulder, but
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apparently the connection point from <a href="../78.htm">Schwabenschacht</a>
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- 6km not bad for a "C" lead :-)
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<br><a name="C1982-142-32"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-32">C1982-142-32 X</a> Right at T-junction [to pitch into 142 Big Chamber]
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<br><a name="C1982-142-33"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-33">C1982-142-33 C</a> Various ways down boulders in Big Chamber (judged unsafe)
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<br><a name="C1982-142-34"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1982-142-34">C1982-142-34 X</a> Way up at NE end of <a href="off41.htm#bigcham142">Big Chamber</a> [connects to <a href="#C1980-41-17">C1980-41-17</a>]
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<br><a name="C1982-115-35"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1982-115-35">C1982-115-35 C</a> Two avens above gully at first junction left in <a href="off115.htm#futser">Futility Series</a>
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<br><a name="C1982-115-36"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1982-115-36">C1982-115-36 A</a> Draughting sand-choked tube at end of Futility Series - near surface ?
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<br><a name="C1982-115-37"></a><a href="off115.htm#C1982-115-37">C1982-115-37 C</a> Choke in left passage from <a href="off115.htm#bignfcham">Big Enough Chamber</a>
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<br>There are quite a few 1982 QMs in 144, none of which have yet been
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extracted from the description.
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<br><a name="C1983-142-00"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1983-142-00">C1983-142-00 X</a> Obscure route right through boulders part way up to T-jn of <a href="#C1982-142-31">C1982-142-31</a> [to <a href="off41.htm#rodrunway">Rodent Runway</a>, thence to 41]
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<br><a name="C1983-142-01"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1983-142-01">C1983-142-01 !</a> c 7 unexplored leads off Rodent Runway
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<br><a name="C1983-142-02"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1983-142-02">C1983-142-02 !</a> c 4 ways off at start of route from <a href="#C1982-142-22">C1982-142-22</a>
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<br><a name="C1983-142-03"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1983-142-03">C1983-142-03 A</a> Way on "To stream" in route from <a href="#C1982-142-22">C1982-142-22</a>
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<br><a name="C1983-142-04"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1983-142-04">C1983-142-04 ?</a> Way just right of <a href="#C1983-142-03">C1983-142-03</a> - not in description, but appears on survey
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<br><a name="C1983-142-05"></a><a href="off41.htm#C1983-142-05">C1983-142-05 A</a> Continuation(s) of Dripping Chamber - end of route from <a href="#C1982-142-22">C1982-142-22</a>
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<p>There is a suspicion that the passages of <a href="#C1982-142-22">C1982-142-22</a> have reached the German Route
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<p>1983 QMs are very vague 'cos the survey is so crap. There are also a few
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QMs from 84, and I haven't even vaguely put in the QMs in 1623/144, of which
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there are quite a large number, which belong here since the cave connects
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(the linking-in point is <a href="#C1980-41-33">C1980-41-33</a>, which should have been
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a 1980 QM, but can't tell if it was actually noticed that year).
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<p>I count over 80 of those QM's as having no described continuation. Several
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of these are groups of ways on which may or may not go to the same place. No
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doubt some of these have been looked at, but not written up or surveyed. Most
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of those will be fairly short. Equally, I suspect that quite a lot will have
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been missed on the surveys, which would bring the numbers back up again.
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<p>A large proportion of these QMs can be reached without ANY rigging of
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existing pitches. The survey of 142 is/was a shambles, and needs, at the
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very least, someone to go in and do a lot of sketching, simply to tie down
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what has been looked at. The more I think about it, the more I believe that
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the shaft at the end of the German Route alleged to be 220m must have been a
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way into the Big Pitch, and not what CUCC pushed in 1980. We have no
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adequate survey of the German route, which would be handy to have (at least
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for that part which doesn't need rigging), as we could then see if the QMs
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in 142 and the CUCC route in 41 do indeed reach the German Route.
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<p>Initial impressions are that the further from the entrance a QM was, the
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more likely it is to have been pushed (unlike 161 :-). This may simply mean
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that people were less observant and less careful to note QMs lower down.
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<p>CUCC does now have survey data and a published plan, showing where
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1623/88 (Lärchenhöhle) connects to the big pitch. However, we
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haven't yet generated any kind of passage description.
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<p>The QM situation in 142 is such that a chronological numbering is getting
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silly. It may be impossible to identify the numbered QMs "in the
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cave", in which case the thing to do is to delete that QM, and number
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all new ones with C2000-142- (or whatever year it is) numbers.
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